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Posted: 7/11/2005 9:13:11 AM EDT
These men will be defending a specific building site of less than 10,000 sq ft.....I need your opinions of longarms,shotguns, pistol and tactical gear(web gear,tac vest,holsters). How would you do this on a limited budget?.........$1500.00 a man.......and $1000.00 a man.
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Posted: 7/11/2005 9:17:05 AM EDT
[#1]
Riot? Not zombie oubreak?
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Posted: 7/11/2005 9:17:43 AM EDT
[#2]
Per each man:
$400 - 10/22 $400 - bubble wrap riot armor $200 - my consulting fee = $1000 |
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Posted: 7/11/2005 9:18:51 AM EDT
[#3]
Best running shoes money can buy!
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Posted: 7/11/2005 9:22:58 AM EDT
[#4]
I can just SMELL the ATF hovering this thread....
For the record, I have nothing to do with this. |
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Posted: 7/11/2005 9:23:48 AM EDT
[#5]
12 miniguns w000t!!11!!
Shit, didn't read the price limitations....1 minigun? 12 men hauling more ammo? 2 M2 .50s? That's the ideal riot treatment that is....or if you want to spread the love around, 12 SAWs. |
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Posted: 7/11/2005 9:26:34 AM EDT
[#6]
How many rioters?
12 old station wagons with large motors and good tires. Just circle the building at 50 mph with anyone crossing the line getting run over. |
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Posted: 7/11/2005 9:28:16 AM EDT
[#7]
HAHA LMMFAO |
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Posted: 7/11/2005 9:29:11 AM EDT
[#8]
$1500 a man would be tough.
You might want to consider a fair amount of armor and ammo caches along with a fair amount of power ups for your guys distributed discreetly around the map. |
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Posted: 7/11/2005 9:31:03 AM EDT
[#9]
mossberg 500's/less-than-lethal ammo, riot batons, plexiglass shields, used k-pots, cs grenades, gas masks. man, $1500 ain't gonna go too far...you're probably gonna want one guy with a scoped rifle.
ETA: them little gmrs/fam channel motorola radios for commo - hmfic, sniper, couple of fireteam leaders. |
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Posted: 7/11/2005 9:31:58 AM EDT
[#10]
Lots of guns = Lots of Police = Lots of time in prison = Lots of Pounding in the ....
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Posted: 7/11/2005 9:33:38 AM EDT
[#11]
Longarms... 8 men on main walls with Remington 11/87's and 8 round mag extentions. The 4 men on the corners will have AR15 A2's with an inexpensive optic for reaching stuff that the shotguns can't. Sidearms? Nothing fancy... maybe S&W Sigmas, since they shouldn't need to resort to them. That leaves enough budget for at least concealable level IIA armor, but I haven't ever looked at pricing for more riot-worthy stuff.
Need more budget for armor? Substitute Winchester 1300's and Mini 14 ranch rifles. |
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Posted: 7/11/2005 9:34:43 AM EDT
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Posted: 7/11/2005 9:35:34 AM EDT
[#13]
need more info...is this a legit security/leo gig or just a personal shtf scenario?
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Posted: 7/11/2005 9:36:59 AM EDT
[#14]
Outrfit your guys with these and This should do it Consulting fee $1.00 
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Posted: 7/11/2005 9:37:22 AM EDT
[#15]
legit |
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Posted: 7/11/2005 9:37:28 AM EDT
[#16]
Scoped rifles, lotsa ammo and put them on the roof. ROE: Engage enemy at will. |
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Posted: 7/11/2005 9:37:47 AM EDT
[#17]
that is a tough budget but depending on what gear they have or are willing to bring it could be done. |
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Posted: 7/11/2005 9:39:49 AM EDT
[#18]
Is this a LE or military scenario? In other words, do we need to be concerned about loss of life/use of less lethal means?
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Posted: 7/11/2005 9:40:17 AM EDT
[#19]
COACH GUNS WITH VERTICAL FOREGRIPS AND EOTECHS!
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Posted: 7/11/2005 9:44:40 AM EDT
[#20]
In that case your ROE will be severely restricted. Protective gear, tasers and sticks. Put em down, secure, prosecute. |
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Posted: 7/11/2005 9:45:03 AM EDT
[#21]
No greater friend. No greater enemy.
Assault Beagles can be had for around ~$500 since the ban expired. If you’re going to go with the AB’s be sure you get some kydex holsters. The leather and nylon ones will start to take a smell after a while.  |
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Posted: 7/11/2005 10:08:15 AM EDT
[#22]
Go old school!!! 3-4" Fire hoses and tons of water!
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Posted: 7/11/2005 10:09:05 AM EDT
[#23]
Just a quick look:
Four three man teams. Each team with two shotguns($250) and one simi rifle ($800) red dot on rifle ($200). = $6000 Each person with a 9mm / .40 / .45 auto or .38 / .357 Pistol ($350). = $4200 Each person with FRS / GMRS radio with ear bud. ($50) = $600 Tactical Gear -- Nylon holster / sling / mag carrier nothing fancy. ($100) = $1200 Small Backpack w/water bladder and comfort food ($40) = $480 First Aid kit (personal) $10 = $120 First aid kit (each team) $40 = $480 Ammo each ($50) = $600 = = = = = = = = = Total Cost: $13650 Cost Per Person = $1140 = = = If extra money get used bullet proof vest: $200-$400 If too much money buy used rifle / shotguns / pistols wwglen Edited to add Also add ONE of thoes big pepper sprays above for each person and surplus mask raited for teargas. $100 - $200 per person. |
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Posted: 7/11/2005 10:16:35 AM EDT
[#24]
WTF?
2 scoped long rifles. 4 pump shotguns. 6 AR's i guess. |
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Posted: 7/11/2005 10:19:59 AM EDT
[#25]
  CW |
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Posted: 7/11/2005 10:27:10 AM EDT
[#26]
Bats!
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Posted: 7/11/2005 10:33:53 AM EDT
[#27]
Miniguns & flamethrowers.
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Posted: 7/11/2005 10:50:19 AM EDT
[#28]
Since this is a legit question ROE are going to be extremely restrictive. I'm almost considering not having lethal long arms.
Best solution? Contract out for a perimeter fence thats electrified hout I would have 8 men as the primary perimeter holders leaving 4 men as a reaction force. 8 Riot Shields 100 each - 800 12 Helmets w/ face shield 300 each - 3600 12 Riot body armor (non ballistic, blunt force only) 70 each - 840 12 Sets of knee and elbow pads 35 for both pair - 420 12 Sets fore arm protectors 15 each - 180 2 Megaphones (gotta tell them to scat) 80 each - 160 8 Batons (for guys with shields) 100 each - 800 12 Stun Gun (the non protectile kind-once you shoot it off you'll be open to attack, get the kind you just make skin contact then release) 200 each - 2400 4 Riot Shotguns (for reaction team) 250 each - 1000 12 Radios 70 each - 840 Total 11040 + 960 for misc expenses like load bearing gear etc, or if you want a scoped rifle of some sort, but I dont think you'd ever use it, of yea lots of zip cuffs On the other hand if you do not have to actually engage crowds in hand to hand and are behind a fence or on a roof top you can dispense with shields, stun guns and batons saving 4000. Add that to our misc expenses and we get a 4960 to play with. 8 more Riot Shotguns 250 each - 2000 Now we have approx 3 grand left over for whatever you want. Could buy some cheap side arms, probably will be wheel guns give our funds left. You'll probably never use them though. This really depends on your ROE. You could buy some paintball guns and buy the pepper type ammo. Those would run in a similar range to the wheel guns. Buy bayonets for your shotgunshug.gif that might make them think twice. For the 1500 per man budget, all the same gear but maybe invest in some gas masks and smoke/CS if you want (i personally wouldn't), of my favorite find an old fire truck or fabricate a vehicle with a high pressure hose and water feed. Again you could up quality of your side arms and maybe add some rifles but again you not likely to use them. |
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Posted: 7/11/2005 10:53:33 AM EDT
[#29]
Airsoft...no one gets hurt
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Posted: 7/11/2005 10:55:11 AM EDT
[#30]
Don't forget gas masks for then the wind shifts. |
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Posted: 7/11/2005 11:01:21 AM EDT
[#31]
Lets see I would be arming with shotguns on the limited budget you give it would have to be Mossberg 500s with several rounds of buckshot. Berretta 92s for handguns with about $100 rounds each so now I am upto about $900 per person the rest would be spent on Armor and Ammo
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Posted: 7/11/2005 11:10:08 AM EDT
[#32]
3 rings of claymores around the building, each spaced 10 yards apart, with tripwires.
$1000 in free beer for the rioters + enough gas to haul them all in after they get loaded. Send the rest to me. Oh, OK, go ahead & buy yourself a case of beer & deduct it from my proceeds. |
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Posted: 7/11/2005 11:25:59 AM EDT
[#33]
A couple of people did a pretty good job covering the bases.
Limited budget: Front line 1. K-pots w/ shields 2. Axe handles 3. Flak vests 4. Issue gloves 2nd line Same equipment (used for replacements and leaders to give commands - 3 people - Sgt. and above) Center, next to line commander - LE or .mil officer w/ shotgun and cs canisters. ETA: It's been about 10 years since I went to Civil Disturbance Junior Leadership so I'm probably forgetting something. |
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Posted: 7/11/2005 11:34:11 AM EDT
[#34]
Passive defense: Good wall/fence, roof access with cover. Remember to have shutters or reinforced windows and EXCELLENT fire suppression/sprinkler systems if you expect cocktails.
Active perimeter defense: dog(s), tear gas/irritants Active close defense: Shotguns with varying lethal and less lethal loads, optional: Riot Armor (helmets, shields), Water Cannon (also good for fire fighting). Also: VIDEO CAMERAS for prosecution of rioters and for legal defense of your defenders if necessary. ETA: If you have never seen water canons in use, they are awesome against rioters/protesters. I used to have some cool video on my hard drive of peace activists being hosed off the anchor chains of one of our warships (it'd cheer me up on bad days). |
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Posted: 7/11/2005 11:41:35 AM EDT
[#35]
Dont leave out the fire extiguishers !
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Posted: 7/11/2005 11:42:50 AM EDT
[#36]
Giving this thread a little more thought....I think it would completely depend on who the 12 men were.
If they were Arfcommers I'd load em up with extra thick helmets, kevlar, urban marpat and some airsoft rifles. If they were northern Maine guys I'd give them lever action 30-30's and bourbon. If they were from California I'd buy them all BATF compliant firearms with 10 round mags. If they were from Texas, I'd score a bunch of (insert homoerotic beastiality joke here) I could go on....but it'd depend largely on who the guys were. |
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Posted: 7/11/2005 11:49:36 AM EDT
[#37]
fire trucks with plenty of water & hose or pepper balls out of a paintball gun
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Posted: 7/11/2005 11:56:15 AM EDT
[#38]
All you need is one person with a rifle and a couple of hundred rounds. No rioter in this country or most of the civilized world is going to stick around once a few of their buddies get dropped. Most rioters are just along for a good time or to steal stuff, they give up real easy or move on when it stops being fun.
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Posted: 7/11/2005 11:58:34 AM EDT
[#39]
I'm pretty certain he's trying to outfit his men in the NG.
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Posted: 7/11/2005 12:00:13 PM EDT
[#40]
4 x 3 man teams with 2" fire hoses 95-125 gpm. Works great to keep the crowds at bay.
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Posted: 7/11/2005 12:00:57 PM EDT
[#41]
Mall Security?
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Posted: 7/11/2005 12:02:24 PM EDT
[#42]
Oh well, that eliminates my submission of an AK varient and a shit load of ammo and mags.... 
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Posted: 7/11/2005 1:30:47 PM EDT
[#43]
Tannerite, and the new SEBR Bushmaster. One case of .223 ammo, earplugs, glasses and 12 cases of good beer for when the job's done!
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Posted: 7/11/2005 2:12:47 PM EDT
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The hoses of legend were either 2 1/2" or 3" hoses with smooth bore nozzles. Aim for the legs. |
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Posted: 7/11/2005 2:44:20 PM EDT
[#45]
More info needed. Threat being defended against? Duration?Sounds like you are trying to go cheap. Don't. |
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Posted: 7/11/2005 2:48:06 PM EDT
[#46]
Ask Mall_Security. He deals with this in the nation's
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Posted: 7/11/2005 2:50:36 PM EDT
[#47]
12 pump shotguns; model unimportant; no ammunition required
The sound of the slides racking will send any rioter fleeing in fear. |
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Posted: 7/11/2005 2:51:39 PM EDT
[#48]
How much does an old bulldozer cost?
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Posted: 7/11/2005 2:57:58 PM EDT
[#49]
That's what I was thinking. -Storm |
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Posted: 7/11/2005 3:00:05 PM EDT
[#50]
6 16" AR carbines with red dots, Surefires, and VFGs
2 18-20" precsion ARs w/ACOGS 2 M249 SAWs 2 scoped precsion M1As, FALs, or SR25s GLOCK 19, 17, or 34s |
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