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Posted: 2/11/2006 8:38:01 AM EDT
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I guess this is confirmation of what many of us on this board already knows, they make up rules and regs as they go along, and sometimes those rules make absolutely zero sense, the agency is arbitrary and capricous.
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I don't know what that means, but just the sound of it scares the bejeebers out of me. |
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Some of our board EOD freaks will be along shortly to explain it to you while you change your shorts! |
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i LOVE when the ATF gets bitch slapped by the judicial system. Too bad it doesnt happen more
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A smart one..............in a field of THOUSANDS......... |
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Well, at least they are consistent. |
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more like a surface to surface missile with a solid rocket. some of these rockets go thousands of feet carry payloads close to 100# and travel many miles down range. i would just as soon not have them flying about. . |
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And those rockets require FAA clearance to be launched, and many of those that you are talking about can be flown in only one or two locations on specific dates. One of those locations is White Sands Missile Range. I don't see any cause for concern. |
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I guess we should only have hunting rockets huh? |
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Hey! Go ban semiautos while you're at that. |
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+1 we get notams on the launches here. |
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Sounds like the same demonizing that the 50 BMG gets... You should go to work for the other side. You've got the patter down to a T. |
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This is good news to those of us who build and launch model rockets.
This is what I have been able to gather from a couple places: Basically the ATF was saying that the solid fuel rocket motors we use were explosive devices, and thus we needed the same licenses to use them as mining companies, Demo companies, etc. (Basically forcing 99% of the hobby to stop launching cause we couldn't afford the licenses and the storage requirements.) The engines burn propellent for thrust, then there is a delay, followed by a small explosive that deploys the recovery system. The recovery charge was supposedly what the ATF was basing its ruling on, even though its far less than a 1/4 oz in weight. Currently you can buy the engines at a hobby shop for $10-$12 for a 3 or 4 pack, depending on size. (A-E) Anything larger requires a license from the National Model Rocketry group, whose name escapes me at the moment. (IMRA maybe?) And the majority of the rockets are not SAM's. They are MAYBE a pount and they can go up just over 3,000 feet. Most don't break 1,500 without a second stage. Some are capable of carrying an egg. The larger ones can go higher, but require FAA launch clearance from special locations, like White Sands. |
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So basically this is a hobby for the serious and not terrorists?
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Yep. I can easily visualize those EXACT words coming out of either Dianne Feinstein's or Sarah Brady's pie-holes... |
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Yeah I would just as soon not have America turn into the land of scared little pussies everytime someone goes 'boo' but by the look of things I'm not going to get my wish either. Fuckin' amazing what you get on the board these days. |
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What amazes me is the people who whine hardest when their Ox is being gored is the first to offer up their neighbors Ox.
Like the Trap Shooters and the cough*socalledsportsmen*cough. |
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LOL
Sounds like All Things Fun said "Ban this because it's dangerous. Trust us." and the courts said "No." |
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Yeah and if (God Forbid) they ever figure out how to attach those Pre-Ban Lawn Darts to the business end of their missiles, we would have untold WMD raining down on our streets. Thank God you and the ATFE are looking out for our welfare. |
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And what if that egg had been injected with a deadly virus, eh? |
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Based on the judge's statement regarding the ATF's expertise, I'd say that now there's a court precedent.
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You still have to get FAA clearence for the fun stuff.
We where afriad of lunching a rocket we built in 2002, do to homeland security stuff. It had a ceicling aroud 2000ft and had a electronic guidence system in it. |
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There are probably more guarunteed methods of delivering a deadly egg payload than strapping it to a model rocket and pushing the button. It didn't get my green army man into space, and it surely wont drop that egg right where you want it. |
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+1 You could shoot down an aircraft with one of those things. Ban them all. |
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all i am saying is it's an excellent delivery vehicle for an ABC warhead.
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You are gonna put a nuke on a 6 foot model rocket?
Who is gonna make that warhead? What makes a small rocket smaller than a Kaytusha an 'excellent' delivery vehicle? That is like calling a Volkswagon Beetle an excellent Indy racecar. |
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As opposed to a pickup or a backpack? (or an RC aircraft ) |
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Better to be silent and thought a fool than to open your mouth and remove all doubt. |
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Quite right, senator feinstein. |
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Why would ABC need a warhead? They don't need a warhead, they deliver their weapons directly into our homes via network TV. |
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I think you'd have a better chance of dropping your "warhead" onto yourself than onto your target. |
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Does this mean that people do not need to get a LEUP to buy bigger rocket motors such as H-L motor sizes. It will mak my life easier.
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A good buddy of mine at work got out of model rocketry several years ago.
He stated that the hassle, badgering, hounding, needling, frog-hair splitting by the BATF was beyond putting up with. It was so bad, he sold his stuff and got out of the hobby altogether. |
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