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Posted: 10/10/2007 8:35:17 AM EDT
[#1]
Freedom of course.
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Posted: 10/10/2007 8:35:41 AM EDT
[#2]
+1 |
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Posted: 10/10/2007 8:37:15 AM EDT
[#3]
Freedom.
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Posted: 10/10/2007 8:50:01 AM EDT
[#4]
Safty is just a idea, no one is ever really safe.
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Posted: 10/10/2007 9:01:05 AM EDT
[#5]
No one's ever really free. Freedom is just another word for nothing left to lose.
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Posted: 10/10/2007 9:01:35 AM EDT
[#6]
Who voted Safety?
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Posted: 10/10/2007 9:02:28 AM EDT
[#7]
As songs-that-get-stuck-in-my-head go, this isn't a bad one. Thanks! 
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Posted: 10/10/2007 9:02:48 AM EDT
[#8]
2 people did...I suspect one is Hillary and other one Tom Cruise!  BigDozer66 |
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Posted: 10/10/2007 9:02:50 AM EDT
[#9]
Either an asshat or a  .Maybe they want to talk about it? Please? |
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Posted: 10/10/2007 9:03:30 AM EDT
[#10]
You get safety from checking your own 6... and from having a .gov that will allow you to have the means to defend yourself - both from a legal (AWB, CCW) and a tort (lawsuit) POV.
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Posted: 10/10/2007 9:16:17 AM EDT
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They are interconnected... It is a 'get both' scenario, period... There is a level of safety/security required in order to exercise your freedom... You could have unlimited freedom in an 'anarchy' situation, but be unable to exercise most of it due to a lack of safety & security.... If you go too far to EITHER end of the spectrum you FAIL... The only answer is to find a balance between personal freedom and the constructive forces (eg safety/security) required to preserve it and prevent decay into the 'natural state' of anarchy (which is always followed by despotism)... P.S. Since 'balance of the two' is not an option, I did not vote. |
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Posted: 10/10/2007 9:16:31 AM EDT
[#12]
Freedom.
It doesn't take much of an imagination to see that life with the alternative choice could get pretty scary. |
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Posted: 10/10/2007 9:18:57 AM EDT
[#13]
Freedom of course....With Freedom at hand, we can eliminate the threat and therefore we can have both.
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Posted: 10/10/2007 9:19:33 AM EDT
[#14]
Immediately popped into my head when I read the thread title. 
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Posted: 10/10/2007 9:19:39 AM EDT
[#15]
Personal freedom does not mean the freedom to do whatever you want and trample the rights of others, as you suggest in anarchy. Your statement sounds like, give the power to the government, we will prevent anarchy and preserve freedom. No thanks! |
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Posted: 10/10/2007 9:21:30 AM EDT
[#16]
Freedom, we as a whole(population) can create a safe environment from those wanting to take freedom away!
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Posted: 10/10/2007 9:23:24 AM EDT
[#17]
Don't cry, the Nanny state will prosper, you will be just fine. |
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Posted: 10/10/2007 9:23:32 AM EDT
[#18]
"I am free, no matter what rules surround me. If I find them tolerable, I tolerate them; if I find them too obnoxious, I break them. I am free because I know that I alone am morally responsible for everything I do." ~ Robert Heinlein |
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Posted: 10/10/2007 9:31:37 AM EDT
[#19]
Speaking of FAIL. Nice of you to show up. Go reread the question. It was not an absolute one-way-or-the-other question. It was simply which side is more important. In your mind, which side holds 50+% of the importance? ETA: Its a simple question. Which do you value more? |
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Posted: 10/10/2007 9:33:24 AM EDT
[#20]
Ha.. I found the flaw in the plan! |
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Posted: 10/10/2007 9:34:16 AM EDT
[#21]
Freedom is safety to me.
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Posted: 10/10/2007 9:35:11 AM EDT
[#22]
The prevailing sentiment of the drug war on this board suggests the results of the "Safety/Freedom" poll should be taken with a truckload of salt.
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Posted: 10/10/2007 9:37:07 AM EDT
[#23]
Everybody is going to say freedom, but few really mean it. There are ALOT of folks who love to regulate things around here. About the only thing most folks around here equate with freedom is gun ownership.
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Posted: 10/10/2007 9:39:26 AM EDT
[#24]
+1 
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Posted: 10/10/2007 9:41:42 AM EDT
[#25]
Ill take safety...
safety that i guarantee by exercising by freedom to keep and bear arms  and using that with my own sence of personal responcibility to protect and preserve what I hold dear without imposimg myself unduly upon others. |
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Posted: 10/10/2007 9:45:29 AM EDT
[#26]
+1 Most of the people who want Freedom on this board also want God in schools, as long as it's their God. And they want property rights, at least they want their own property rights, they could give a damn about other people's property, and will happily fleece them to pay their own welfare(Social Security) |
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Posted: 10/10/2007 9:46:46 AM EDT
[#27]
+100 |
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Posted: 10/10/2007 9:49:49 AM EDT
[#28]
I want freedom. NOT anarchy.
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Posted: 10/10/2007 9:52:48 AM EDT
[#29]
I make my safety with my freedom.
See what happens when someone tries to kick my door in and murder my family. See what happens in DC, England, or some other gun ban anti self defense happy place. |
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Posted: 10/10/2007 9:55:56 AM EDT
[#30]
Both, and you can have both in the absence of a PC mentality.
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Posted: 10/10/2007 10:00:09 AM EDT
[#31]
Your avoiding the issue by suggesting there is no trade of when actually there is. You have to take a stand either you sympathise with a stronger authoritarian state or your don’t, unless you believe that citizens themselves should be reposible for their safty. My answer is simple and the same as Thomas Jefferson: "I would rather be exposed to the inconveniences attending too much liberty, than those attending too small a degree of it." |
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Posted: 10/10/2007 10:01:00 AM EDT
[#32]
Just like a Ronbot troll to utterly miss the point! |
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Posted: 10/10/2007 10:04:23 AM EDT
[#33]
Safety is an illusion, therefore freedom is the default answer.
Of course you're preaching to the choir here ... Run this poll over at panicky-overprotective-moms.com and you'll get the exact opposite result. Herein lies the problem in the USA, massively polarizing issues, with no achievable common ground, and elections won by fractions of a percentage point, therefore giving the razor thing majority ultimate say over the razor thin minority. Of course that razor thin majority often shifts their opinion moments after the election is won when they realize what they've done. |
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Posted: 10/10/2007 10:05:07 AM EDT
[#34]
FREEDOM. Nothing else is worthwhile without it.
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Posted: 10/10/2007 10:07:16 AM EDT
[#35]
Youd be surprised at some of the opinions on this board. This poll is not scientific, and probably not representative, based on my experience, of the whole of AR15.com |
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Posted: 10/10/2007 10:14:38 AM EDT
[#36]
Didn't Hitler disarm the masses in the name of safety? I'm sure they felt much safer when the holocaust started.
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Posted: 10/10/2007 10:18:57 AM EDT
[#37]
Just like a Fredhead sheeple not to have one!! |
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Posted: 10/10/2007 10:25:39 AM EDT
[#38]
+1 Start a thread on the War On Some Drugs, and see how many people really support freedom. Or a thread on free enterprise, energy policy, traffic rules, etc. Get away from guns, and there's at least as many closet Fascists around here as in the general population. How about some of you guys claiming Freedom name a specific policy unrelated to guns and self-defense that you would change to increase overall Freedom? |
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Posted: 10/10/2007 10:42:24 AM EDT
[#39]
Good luck with that.
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Posted: 10/10/2007 10:43:53 AM EDT
[#40]
It doesn't seem to work like that. There is no wonderful pro-Freedom group, certainly not around here, and there is no total authoritarian group (or if there is one of either, then they're tiny and considered to be nuts by almost everyone). Everybody wants to think that they are in favor of Freedom. And they are, when it comes to the things that they want to do and know the most about. But in many cases, those same people who chant about their love of and desire for Freedom are entirely against it on a variety of other issues. Maybe because of jealousy, assuming things they see in movies and on TV are real, of an unusual situation that is their only experience with the issue, or just plain ignorance. Whatever the cause, most are all too wiling to vote away someone else's freedom. How many of you are in favor of Hippies being free to use the drugs of their choice and protest things in the streets? How many of you are in favor of Muslims being free to practice their faith as they please? How many of you are in favor of Cyclists being free to use the streets just as any other vehicle would? How many of you are in favor of Homosexuals being free to have sex in whatever manner they please? A lot of you are ripping Dave_A for saying that too much Freedom might not be so good. At least he's honest and realistic about what he believes - how many of you are? |
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Posted: 10/10/2007 10:47:26 AM EDT
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Posted: 10/10/2007 10:51:44 AM EDT
[#42]
expose our faults so we will admit them and get better 
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Posted: 10/10/2007 10:54:36 AM EDT
[#43]
Probably a soccer mom who saw a pointer to arfcom over on mothering.com and decided to come see what all the fuss was about. |
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Posted: 10/10/2007 10:55:25 AM EDT
[#44]
I am in favor of those people being allowed to do all those things, as long as they dont infringe on anyone else's rights. I would think that most other people would be as well. |
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Posted: 10/10/2007 10:58:55 AM EDT
[#45]
No problem with any of the above as long as in so doing they don't violate the rights of others. Personally I think most streets should have bike lanes... ETA: igorthesmall beat me to it |
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Posted: 10/10/2007 10:59:03 AM EDT
[#46]
I can provide my own safety so let me be free
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Posted: 10/10/2007 10:59:46 AM EDT
[#47]
Freedom.
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Posted: 10/10/2007 11:02:05 AM EDT
[#48]
Me. I just like fucking with meaningless polls.
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Posted: 10/10/2007 11:16:48 AM EDT
[#49]
A sci-fi writer's words... Nice 'authority' there... Too bad the notion of moral responsibility is  for most people...Excluding religious folks (who have morality imposed on them by their diety) & a minority of 'responsible' or 'enlightened' people, the only morality most people have is the morality forced on them by government power.... The natural state of humanity is corruption, chaos & anarchy... Not moral responsibility... Which leads to a world where - without government - you have no usable freedom.... For a non-3rd-world example, New Orleans after Katrina.... There's your 'totally free' people 'unpressed' by government at work... Gotta love it when REALITY jumps up and bites a utopian idealist in the face... People are not 'GOOD' and will not respect your 'freedom' unless forced to do so... Freedom is only possible when backed by force... Ironic, eh? |
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Posted: 10/10/2007 11:18:48 AM EDT
[#50]
Freedom. With true freedom, a person can make his own safety.
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