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Posted: 12/11/2009 6:31:27 PM EDT
ObamaCare Keeps Falling in the Polls
By JOHN FUND
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB20001424052748703514404574587820416102550.html

The Senate's compromise bill on health care was announced on Wednesday to much fanfare. But there's not much there for moderate Democrats to write home about. It waters down a provision creating a "public option," but it also expands (to include people over 55) Medicare, a program already expected to go bankrupt in 2017.

The Senate bill is so unwieldy that the health-care system it will create will almost certainly break apart and force us into Canadian-style care. As Rep. Anthony Weiner (D., N.Y.) said in a statement, the Medicare expansion "would perhaps get us on the path to a single payer model." That grim prospect means there's still a chance to defeat or reshape the health-reform effort.

Opponents of ObamaCare will be aided by polls showing that it is even less popular than HillaryCare was a year into the Clinton presidency. Back in December 1993, Gallup found that 47% of voters backed HillaryCare, with 32% opposed. Today, an average of health-care surveys at Pollster.com shows support for ObamaCare at 38.8%, with 51.4% against.

The difference is that in 1993 and 1994, ads pointing out the weaknesses of HillaryCare were ubiquitous on TV. This time the White House has bullied the health-care industry into silence or sullen support.

But the falling poll numbers tell us anyone who tries to force a full health-care debate that pushes a vote past the holidays will not suffer politically. One reason the Democrats are frantic for a vote before Christmas is that they fear what will happen if senators have to go home and talk with constituents before voting.

Even if the Senate passes something before Christmas, House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D., Calif.) says the bill will likely have to go to a conference committee. There differences between The Senate version and the bill that has already passed the House must be reconciled.

Mrs. Pelosi says "we'd do almost anything" to finish the bill this year. But it is unlikely the House will be able to vote on a final bill until January. That delay gives opponents time to raise money for a campaign aimed at House members who were dragooned into voting for the Pelosi bill in November.

That legislation only passed 220 to 215. There will be new pressures on members for a second vote. Louisiana Rep. Anh "Joseph" Cao, the lone Republican to vote for the bill, may not be able to support it again without strong limits on funding abortions—and several Democrats might feel compelled to join him.

Meanwhile, the new Quinnipiac poll reports that 63% of Americans believe covering the uninsured will increase their own costs, and that includes 44% of Democrats. Voters by 48% to 46% believe extending coverage to the uninsured would decrease the quality of their own care—including a majority of independents and 26% of Democrats. A full 74% of people don't believe the president's claim that health reform won't add to the deficit, including 53% of Democrats.

There is also the issue of jobs. The unemployment rate is 10% and a new study by the National Federation of Independent Business estimates that mandating that employers provide health care will cost 1.6 million jobs by 2013.

These are all potent issues if TV ads and grass-roots activism can be directed into the districts of House Democrats vulnerable to defeat in 2010. Fourteen Blue Dog Democrats who voted to pass health-care reform last month represent districts rated as leaning Republican by the Cook Political Report. Another nine Democrats hail from districts that are only slightly Democratic. Pressure will be put on the 39 Democrats who voted no the first time to switch their vote, but they will be hard to budge. There are enough votes among the three groups to make it agonizingly difficult to pass health care a second time.

Speaker Pelosi has told her members that health-care reform is so important she is willing to lose 20 seats next year if that is what it takes to get it. Polls showing Republicans leading in the generic vote for Congress make some Democrats worry that she is seriously lowballing the risk. She may not mind if some members lose their seats, especially if they are moderates who are possible future votes against her in a leadership contest. The Blue Dogs who are the subject of her political science experiment may decide they'd rather not be her guinea pigs.
Link Posted: 12/11/2009 6:33:15 PM EDT
[#1]
Yea... just not her's.  
Link Posted: 12/11/2009 6:34:29 PM EDT
[#2]
Of course she is fucking entrenched with the liberals and homosexuals in her district she knows the only way she wont be reelected is if she dies.
Link Posted: 12/11/2009 6:34:50 PM EDT
[#3]
Willing to lose her seat?

I thought not

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Link Posted: 12/11/2009 6:37:47 PM EDT
[#4]
Good job Speaker, trying to ram a bill through that the majority of the American people are opposed to.
Link Posted: 12/11/2009 6:38:33 PM EDT
[#5]
if that health care bill passes, we may double that number
Link Posted: 12/11/2009 6:39:06 PM EDT
[#6]
Let's start with hers.  Regardless if Obamacare passes or not.
Link Posted: 12/11/2009 6:39:45 PM EDT
[#7]
Dupe, I mentioned it in someone else's thread...

But seriously, I'm glad you made a post about it. It speaks to how some in the Democratic party are willing to do whatever it takes to get their agenda done and the American taxpayers, their children and grandchildren are supposed to pay for their agenda.

Plastic surgery and abortions for all

Link Posted: 12/11/2009 6:42:07 PM EDT
[#8]
Even if D's lose 20 seats then its 20 more reasons why Obama care failed...  Win win for her sadly
Link Posted: 12/11/2009 6:42:21 PM EDT
[#9]
Quoted:
Dupe, I mentioned it in someone else's thread...

But seriously, I'm glad you made a post about it. It speaks to how some in the Democratic party are willing to do whatever it takes to get their agenda done and the American taxpayers, their children and grandchildren are supposed to pay for their agenda.


It is the democrat/socialist way.
Link Posted: 12/11/2009 6:43:46 PM EDT
[#10]
She knows that once it passes, it'll be almost impossible to get rid of it.
Link Posted: 12/11/2009 6:44:41 PM EDT
[#11]
Quoted:
Quoted:
Dupe, I mentioned it in someone else's thread...

But seriously, I'm glad you made a post about it. It speaks to how some in the Democratic party are willing to do whatever it takes to get their agenda done and the American taxpayers, their children and grandchildren are supposed to pay for their agenda.


It is the democrat/socialist way.


Yep

Link Posted: 12/11/2009 6:45:52 PM EDT
[#12]
I wonder if that makes the 20 or so who are going to lose their seats feel better?  "You, you, and you.  Fall on your swords for the Obamamessiah."

Link Posted: 12/11/2009 6:50:13 PM EDT
[#13]



Quoted:


Good job Speaker, trying to ram a bill through that the majority of the American people are opposed to.


You mean like the first bailout Bush and friends shoved down our throats?  If that wasn't proof that congress couldn't give a rat's ass what the people think, I don't know what is.



 
Link Posted: 12/11/2009 6:51:30 PM EDT
[#14]
Quoted:
Let's start with hers.  Regardless if Obamacare passes or not.


The fags and hippies in her district would vote for fucking Fidel Castro.
Link Posted: 12/11/2009 6:51:59 PM EDT
[#15]



Quoted:


She knows that once it passes, it'll be almost impossible to get rid of it.


This and whoever loses their seat will just get a new job in the new healthcare bureaucracy.



 
Link Posted: 12/11/2009 6:52:18 PM EDT
[#16]
If she has one more face-lift she'll have a beard.....
Link Posted: 12/11/2009 6:52:29 PM EDT
[#17]
Quoted:
She knows that once it passes, it'll be almost impossible to get rid of it.


yep and like other government programs...it just grows and grows...just ask California's legislature and budget office

Link Posted: 12/11/2009 6:54:07 PM EDT
[#18]


Pelosi willing to "sacrifice 20 seats" in order to pass Obamacare



I swear, I read the title as "Pelosi willing to "sacrifice 20 goats" in order to pass Obamacare.





Link Posted: 12/11/2009 6:57:47 PM EDT
[#19]
Translation: I know you don't want Obamacare, but I'm going to force it on you no matter what the cost.

Link Posted: 12/11/2009 7:04:11 PM EDT
[#20]
Quoted:
Translation: I know you don't want Obamacare, but I'm going to force it on you no matter what the cost.



It has gone FAR beyond representing the people and what they want, far beyond pretending to represent the people, and now just admitting that you don't give a fuck about the American people.
Link Posted: 12/11/2009 7:09:25 PM EDT
[#21]
A good cattleman always make sure his cattle have enough to eat and are healthy.  Once that is taken care of, he can be assured that they will always depend upon him.
Link Posted: 12/11/2009 7:12:39 PM EDT
[#22]
It's not about health care, It's about knownig everything about everyone at their fingertips..
Link Posted: 12/11/2009 7:29:38 PM EDT
[#23]
Meanwhile, the new Quinnipiac poll reports that 63% of Americans believe covering the uninsured will increase their own costs

And the other 37% are idiots.z
Link Posted: 12/11/2009 7:31:11 PM EDT
[#24]
Quoted:
Meanwhile, the new Quinnipiac poll reports that 63% of Americans believe covering the uninsured will increase their own costs

And the other 37% are idiots.z


Or don't pay anything for theirs already.  
Link Posted: 12/11/2009 7:33:48 PM EDT
[#25]
Quoted:

Quoted:
She knows that once it passes, it'll be almost impossible to get rid of it.

This and whoever loses their seat will just get a new job in the new healthcare bureaucracy.
 


Very astute. Very astute observation.

It is no longer a threat to a politician to be voted out. They can have more money and power as a lobbyist, federal employee or appointee than they ever did as a lowly representative.

-Z

Link Posted: 12/11/2009 8:00:56 PM EDT
[#26]
Quoted:

Quoted:
She knows that once it passes, it'll be almost impossible to get rid of it.

This and whoever loses their seat will just get a new job in the new healthcare bureaucracy.
 


Paging Sen Daschle......... I think he is actually the Architect..................
Link Posted: 12/11/2009 8:07:46 PM EDT
[#27]
They may lose more than that...

Link Posted: 12/11/2009 8:13:24 PM EDT
[#28]
when are the "bluedogs" going to cowboy up and do what's right for the country?  they could single handedly bring pelosi's reign to an end tomorrow if they change affiliation and caucus w/ the R's, the Demosocialists would no longer have majority (meaning pelosibitch would be out of the speakers chair on her botox encrusted ass), and i'd like to think america would thank them for the courageousness and patriotism!
Link Posted: 12/11/2009 8:15:22 PM EDT
[#29]
That neat, how many times do they have to admit that they are doing what they want, not what the people want before we have some sort of legal case on them? They are fucking corrupt to the core and they need to be removed from office. Not just Democrats either. Every fucking career politician needs to be dismissed and we need to have a bunch of no names put in power with term limits, strict campaign finance rules, and massive oversight from We The People.
Link Posted: 12/11/2009 8:15:33 PM EDT
[#30]




Quoted:

She knows that once it passes, it'll be almost impossible to get rid of it.




Exactly
Link Posted: 12/11/2009 8:18:15 PM EDT
[#31]


Link Posted: 12/11/2009 8:40:24 PM EDT
[#32]
Got to love the scorched Earth politics.  

If the people don’t want it, and people will retaliate by voting their Democratic Congressmen out, Pelosi's answer "well... "fuck'em."

Democracy is so awesome!!  Way to represent.  

What?  We're a republic..  fuuuuucckk...
Link Posted: 12/11/2009 8:46:03 PM EDT
[#33]
house will lose  almost 50 seats & senate will lose 8 or  more.
Link Posted: 12/11/2009 8:47:06 PM EDT
[#34]
The enemy aren't fucking stupid. They know ONCE it gets passed, IT CANNOT BE UNDONE. Every single social program has GROWN.



It is a commonly known theme. That it is SUPER EASY to enlarge the size of government, and almost impossible to shrink it.



They will sacrifice their seats in the name of MORE socialism.




Link Posted: 12/11/2009 8:59:08 PM EDT
[#35]
Quoted:
house will lose  almost 50 seats & senate will lose 8 or  more.


At a minimum.
Link Posted: 12/11/2009 9:01:35 PM EDT
[#36]
I am not surprised in the least that Pelosi is willng to sacrifice 20 or even more of her "soldiers".
Hell,  she's perfectly willing to sacrifice the entire freedom and future of this country to satisfy
her petty desire to win at all costs.

That POS is a blight on this country and needs to be sent packing.
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