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Posted: 3/13/2024 1:40:01 PM EDT
Seeing more and more discussions about this topic over the past year and find it pretty interesting.
Curious if anyone here has gone down the rabbit hole? |
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WI, USA
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Posted: 3/13/2024 1:41:59 PM EDT
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 Attached FileSure, it's voluntary. You're free to not pay if you don't want to; you'll also get a free visit from the feds. |
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Posted: 3/13/2024 1:43:03 PM EDT
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What?
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Posted: 3/13/2024 1:44:36 PM EDT
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The federal court system is a particularly nasty place to learn about what happens if you don’t pay your federal taxes. If you thought the mafia went after debt collection in a brutal, barbaric manner, the federal government makes them look like kindergarten children.
18Z50……. |
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USA
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Posted: 3/13/2024 1:51:53 PM EDT
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 new shit has come to light |
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Posted: 3/13/2024 2:08:02 PM EDT
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I am a tax professional and thus am in on the grand conspiracy, but no, taxes are not voluntary.
You are welcome to not pay your taxes for as long as you like. But the dildo of consequences will absolutely arrive with no lube. The absolute richest men in the world file a tax return every year. I can promise you on my dead relatives, and even the ones that don't feel so good, that if there was a way out of it, those guys would find it. |
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Posted: 3/13/2024 2:10:50 PM EDT
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No, taxes are not voluntary.
https://evans-legal.com/dan/tpfaq.html Hasn't been updated in a while but "taxes are voluntary" is not a new dodge. |
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Posted: 3/13/2024 2:14:16 PM EDT
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Ask Wesley Snipes about that
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USA
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Posted: 3/13/2024 2:24:02 PM EDT
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The premise is that we've all (for generations) unwittingly signed a legal contract agreeing to voluntarily enter their system and donate the money and give up your constitutional rights in exchange for certain privileges.
From what's being discussed, there is no law that the IRS or anyone can point you to that says your required to pay federal income tax on living wages earned in exchange for your time. The Supreme court has shot it down anytime they have tried to make it law so therefore, it still remains voluntary. Because it's a contract that you signed (in complete ignorance), if you just decide to stop filing as many have tried then you're in breach of the contract which then legally allows them to bring the full weight of the courts down upon you. In order to get out of this contract and regain your constitutional rights, you have to go through some sort of revocation paper pushing exercise, dot all the I's and cross all the T's. I find it all pretty fascinating and it certainly gives much more meaning to "the matrix" |
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Posted: 3/13/2024 2:25:13 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By LWT: The premise is that we've all (for generations) unwittingly signed a legal contract agreeing to voluntarily enter their system and donate the money and give up your constitutional rights in exchange for certain privileges. From what's being discussed, there is no law that the IRS or anyone can point you to that says your required to pay federal income tax on living wages earned in exchange for your time. The Supreme court has shot it down anytime they have tried to make it law so therefore, it still remains voluntary. Because it's a contract that you signed (in complete ignorance), if you just decide to stop filing as many have tried then you're in breach of the contract which then legally allows them to bring the full weight of the courts down upon you. In order to get out of this contract and regain your constitutional rights, you have to go through some sort of revocation paper pushing exercise, dot all the I's and cross all the T's. I find it all pretty fascinating and it certainly gives much more meaning to "the matrix" |
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USA
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Posted: 3/13/2024 2:26:59 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Banditman: Ask Wesley Snipes about that This is definitely the #1 bot response anytime this subject is broached |
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USA
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Posted: 3/13/2024 2:36:08 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Ohio_Bill: Do whatever you like, but all of the above is nonsense Having that opinion definitely makes it easier to wake up and go to work every day...I'll give you that. |
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Posted: 3/13/2024 2:48:53 PM EDT
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Here's an interesting essay on the subject.
According to the author, "voluntary compliance" means you're the one taking the initiative to self assess and pay your taxes due instead of the .gov assessing everyone and telling them what they owe - not that you don't owe anything if you don't want to pay.  Attached File |
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Posted: 3/13/2024 2:55:34 PM EDT
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Ask Wesley Snipes.
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Posted: 3/13/2024 3:16:16 PM EDT
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I've heard it called a 'voluntary' tax system occasionally over the years. Mostly by .gov officials.
You do have a choice, pay 'voluntarily' or they take it along with a whole lot more and maybe throw your ass in the slammer. Part of the reason they started withholding was people would owe their total tax bill at the end of the year and not have a spare dollar to pay it. Voluntary.  |
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Posted: 3/13/2024 3:30:07 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By LWT: Having that opinion definitely makes it easier to wake up and go to work every day...I'll give you that. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By LWT: Originally Posted By Ohio_Bill: Do whatever you like, but all of the above is nonsense Having that opinion definitely makes it easier to wake up and go to work every day...I'll give you that. Debunked here But feel free to handle your taxes however you like. |
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Posted: 3/13/2024 3:57:46 PM EDT
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Ultimately, regardless of the merits of your arguments, there's really only one question that matters... Who has a monopoly on violence? That's who wins the argument.
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USA
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Posted: 3/13/2024 4:00:56 PM EDT
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Several years ago I had a guy school me about the constitutional "right to travel" which is kind of in this same ball park.
All of the licensing, taxes, fee's etc that the DMV levies is legally intended for vehicles that are on the road actively engaged in business - commerce. Not the average citizen driving 5 miles to work or to the grocery store. It was the first I had ever heard of it and remember feeling the same as I do now about the federal taxes, what?? Huh??. He was talking a lot of constitutional legalese and it all flew over my head. When I went to leave the establishment I was in, he followed me out and got into his vehicle that was parked about 30 feet in front of mine. As I glanced up, I noticed that his vehicle didn't have a state issued license plate; just a placard on the back that read "PRIVATE" in all caps. I thought, wow...this dude wasn't BS'ing. Obviously, this guy knew something I didn't and was able to leverage it. Same goes for many things in this world. The fed tax is a sore subject, but there are people just like Mr. PRIVATE that claim to have revoked themselves from this voluntary system. |
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Posted: 3/13/2024 4:05:15 PM EDT
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Just do all zeros on your return.
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Posted: 3/13/2024 4:07:19 PM EDT
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Federal Income Tax is always "voluntary,"
when you're being held at gunpoint. |
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Posted: 3/13/2024 4:43:30 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By LWT: Several years ago I had a guy school me about the constitutional "right to travel" which is kind of in this same ball park. All of the licensing, taxes, fee's etc that the DMV levies is legally intended for vehicles that are on the road actively engaged in business - commerce. Not the average citizen driving 5 miles to work or to the grocery store. It was the first I had ever heard of it and remember feeling the same as I do now about the federal taxes, what?? Huh??. He was talking a lot of constitutional legalese and it all flew over my head. When I went to leave the establishment I was in, he followed me out and got into his vehicle that was parked about 30 feet in front of mine. As I glanced up, I noticed that his vehicle didn't have a state issued license plate; just a placard on the back that read "PRIVATE" in all caps. I thought, wow...this dude wasn't BS'ing. Obviously, this guy knew something I didn't and was able to leverage it. Same goes for many things in this world. The fed tax is a sore subject, but there are people just like Mr. PRIVATE that claim to have revoked themselves from this voluntary system. Nor does it protect them from the legal consequences of their misguided ideology. I can't tell if you're a troll looking for a reaction, or if you're really buying the crap these guys peddle, but what you're describing is "sovereign citizen" ideology. If you're earnestly wondering about the legal legitimacy of these ideas, check out how it fares in court.  Court Cam: Top 5 Sovereign Citizen Moments - Part 2 | A&E Or on the street... This guy was driving with his "i don't need a license plate" like your buddy, and pulled his "i am not the paper i am the living man" nonsense with the cops and ended up going out in a hail of gunfire. Doesn't seem like much "leverage."  Bodycam footage shows fatal Utah police shooting It's all fine and good to be "revoked from the voluntary system" as long as you don't get audited, just like anyone else who doesn't pay their taxes where the IRS can only audit like 2% of all tax filings in a given year. But once they know you owe them, no ideology is going to save you. |
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Posted: 3/13/2024 5:21:39 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By LWT: This is definitely the #1 bot response anytime this subject is broached Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By LWT: Originally Posted By Banditman: Ask Wesley Snipes about that This is definitely the #1 bot response anytime this subject is broached I am not a bot and why do you start a thread that has been done before by your own admission? |
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USA
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Posted: 3/13/2024 5:28:36 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Daggertt: I can't tell if you're a troll looking for a reaction, or if you're really buying the crap these guys peddle, but what you're describing is "sovereign citizen" ideology. Neither, I've just been noticing more and more people discussing/shedding light on the subject and was genuinely curious what others here may know or think about it. The past 5 years has been a wild ride and at this point nothing would shock me anymore. |
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Posted: 3/13/2024 5:38:13 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By LWT: Neither, I've just been noticing more and more people discussing/shedding light on the subject and was genuinely curious what others here may know or think about it. The past 5 years has been a wild ride and at this point nothing would shock me anymore. The talking points are old and tired. Literally - they purport to call back to the early days of the US, archaic statutes, and the framers' intentions. They are not based on sound jurisprudence, legal theory, or case law, but rather low IQ regurgitations of misguided interpretations of various obscure statutes. Adherents fall into a couple groups, generally in my experience, like flat earthers - - either they know it's bunk but they like the attention and it makes them feel special to talk rubes in circles with lots of convoluted and clever-sounding sophistry, or - the naive rubes that fall for anything, especially if it makes them feel good and they can't quite understand it but it's delivered with a lot of confidence. Seriously - if you're sincere and curious, and you're looking for actual light to be shed on the subject, check out the link provided by another poster earlier in the thread. It goes into a lot of detail about the various legal claims and their source, and then explains why they don't hold up with specific legal citations from established US case law. https://evans-legal.com/dan/tpfaq.html#contract |
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Posted: 3/13/2024 5:48:49 PM EDT
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All of what you described are Sovereign citicizen talking points.
All of it is utter and complete non-sense |
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MI, USA
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Posted: 3/13/2024 6:12:11 PM EDT
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Do not ever go to tax court when they ask. Tell them you want a trial in a federal court with a jury of your peers.
After four years of trying to trick me into going to tax court and me refusing, they settled. I owed 60k with penalties and interest. They accepted 28k. The constant threats from the IRS was going to destroy my marriage. Otherwise I would not have paid. My defense was that I informed them every year that I was not paying federal income tax and they ignored me until the bill was 60k. If I was required to pay, why didn't the IRS come after me when I told them I was not going to pay the very first year. I even posted about it here and got many of the same responses you have received. Everyone here complains about .gov but are unwilling to stop funding them. As a result the government will continue to grow and become more tyrannical. |
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OR, USA
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Posted: 3/13/2024 6:15:27 PM EDT
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No taxation without representation!
Income tax should be 0%. |
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Posted: 3/13/2024 6:20:25 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By thebrain: My defense was that I informed them every year that I was not paying federal income tax and they ignored me until the bill was 60k. If I was required to pay, why didn't the IRS come after me when I told them I was not going to pay the very first year. I even posted about it here and got many of the same responses you have received. Everyone here complains about .gov but are unwilling to stop funding them. As a result the government will continue to grow and become more tyrannical. That isn't a legal defense that would protect you from paying the taxes or penalties. If I send a letter to "the federal government" telling them I'm going to rob a bank every time i plan to rob one and no one responds until I've robbed a few banks, that doesn't somehow get me off the hook.  And we complain but are unwilling to stop funding them because we don't want to get killed, go to jail or ruin our marriages or lives generally.... just like you, who ended up paying as well. |
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Posted: 3/13/2024 6:25:56 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By thebrain: Do not ever go to tax court when they ask. Tell them you want a trial in a federal court with a jury of your peers. After four years of trying to trick me into going to tax court and me refusing, they settled. I owed 60k with penalties and interest. They accepted 28k. The constant threats from the IRS was going to destroy my marriage. Otherwise I would not have paid. My defense was that I informed them every year that I was not paying federal income tax and they ignored me until the bill was 60k. If I was required to pay, why didn't the IRS come after me when I told them I was not going to pay the very first year. I even posted about it here and got many of the same responses you have received. Everyone here complains about .gov but are unwilling to stop funding them. As a result the government will continue to grow and become more tyrannical. Until the irs comes and makes you again, i mean? Or do you pay what you owe every year since you settled? |
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Posted: 3/13/2024 6:26:42 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Daggertt: That'snothowanyofthisworks.jpg That isn't a legal defense that would protect you from paying the taxes or penalties. If I send a letter to "the federal government" telling them I'm going to rob a bank every time i plan to rob one and no one responds until I've robbed a few banks, that doesn't somehow get me off the hook. And we complain but are unwilling to stop funding them because we don't want to get killed, go to jail or ruin our marriages or lives generally.... just like you, who ended up paying as well. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Daggertt: Originally Posted By thebrain: My defense was that I informed them every year that I was not paying federal income tax and they ignored me until the bill was 60k. If I was required to pay, why didn't the IRS come after me when I told them I was not going to pay the very first year. I even posted about it here and got many of the same responses you have received. Everyone here complains about .gov but are unwilling to stop funding them. As a result the government will continue to grow and become more tyrannical. That isn't a legal defense that would protect you from paying the taxes or penalties. If I send a letter to "the federal government" telling them I'm going to rob a bank every time i plan to rob one and no one responds until I've robbed a few banks, that doesn't somehow get me off the hook. And we complain but are unwilling to stop funding them because we don't want to get killed, go to jail or ruin our marriages or lives generally.... just like you, who ended up paying as well. https://evans-legal.com/dan/tpfaq.html#rescind You can't "revoke your consent to pay taxes" |
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Posted: 3/13/2024 8:16:47 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By thebrain: Do not ever go to tax court when they ask. Tell them you want a trial in a federal court with a jury of your peers. After four years of trying to trick me into going to tax court and me refusing, they settled. I owed 60k with penalties and interest. They accepted 28k. The constant threats from the IRS was going to destroy my marriage. Otherwise I would not have paid. My defense was that I informed them every year that I was not paying federal income tax and they ignored me until the bill was 60k. If I was required to pay, why didn't the IRS come after me when I told them I was not going to pay the very first year. I even posted about it here and got many of the same responses you have received. Everyone here complains about .gov but are unwilling to stop funding them. As a result the government will continue to grow and become more tyrannical. That is not a win, essentially you took a plea deal |
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Posted: 3/13/2024 8:18:21 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By LWT: ....From what's being discussed, there is no law that the IRS or anyone can point you to that says your required to pay federal income tax on living wages earned in exchange for your time. The Supreme court has shot it down anytime they have tried to make it law so therefore, it still remains voluntary. Horseshit. https://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-pdf/p2105.pdf |
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Posted: 3/13/2024 9:03:54 PM EDT
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You have to renounce your citizenship then you are free to do what you want.
But I believe after that happens you have to exit the country in a certain time frame. I could be wrong but that's the way I remember it. |
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Posted: 3/13/2024 9:57:45 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Nobody69s: You have to renounce your citizenship then you are free to do what you want. But I believe after that happens you have to exit the country in a certain time frame. I could be wrong but that's the way I remember it. Uh, no. |
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Posted: 3/13/2024 10:16:02 PM EDT
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I heard if you post on facebook that you don’t give them permission to use your personal information that it also opts you out of paying federal, state, and local taxes
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Posted: 3/13/2024 10:43:31 PM EDT
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Not paying taxes...a legal form of protest? I had this idea before...truly when they take everything from you, you will be free.
I hate the fact that I fund people that hate me. If it's a contract? They sure as shit haven't kept up on their end of the deal. Is that contract now solvent? I think how the income tax, federal reserve amd a majority of our laws...have sketchy not so legitimate backgrounds as we have been lead to believe. Yet here we are, paying a tax on everything. It's not so much the money for me...it's the time I lost.making it. Time I could have spent with loved ones...like my car 
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Posted: 3/13/2024 11:03:09 PM EDT
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Ask Wesley Snipes.
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Posted: 3/13/2024 11:06:58 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuote HistoryOriginally Posted By DogtownTom: Originally Posted By LWT: ....From what's being discussed, there is no law that the IRS or anyone can point you to that says your required to pay federal income tax on living wages earned in exchange for your time. The Supreme court has shot it down anytime they have tried to make it law so therefore, it still remains voluntary. Horseshit. https://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-pdf/p2105.pdf |
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Posted: 3/14/2024 12:25:07 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Mudpie1313: Not paying taxes...a legal form of protest? I had this idea before...truly when they take everything from you, you will be free. I hate the fact that I fund people that hate me. If it's a contract? They sure as shit haven't kept up on their end of the deal. Is that contract now solvent? I think how the income tax, federal reserve amd a majority of our laws...have sketchy not so legitimate backgrounds as we have been lead to believe. Yet here we are, paying a tax on everything. It's not so much the money for me...it's the time I lost.making it. Time I could have spent with loved ones...like my car Similarly, murdering government officials as a "form of protest" because they haven't held up their end of the "contact" would be met with comparable legal protections. ie none. |
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Posted: 3/14/2024 5:58:59 AM EDT
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A friend of mine read some book and it was riddled with information about how private remuneration wasn't a "wage" and wasn't taxable, was exempt, blah, blah. So, this friend filled out exempt W2s. Didn't have any withholding, did everything this book said. Paid no federal tax. Filed state tax based on 1040. Paid no state tax. After like 5 years the state said "WTF?".
Audited. Charged. Convicted on state charges of tax evasion. Then the Feds did the same thing. We're not talking about a 6 or 7 figure household. Ended up this couple were both felons, luckily they allowed one to take probation and the other 1 year of house arrest. The penalties were more than the taxes. 4 years later the penalties are paid off and they can start paying off the actual taxes so they can lift the tax lien on their home. The entire ordeal has cost them over $100k between lawyers, penalties, and taxes when they tried to avoid about 1/4 of that. Don't do it. |
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Posted: 3/14/2024 6:50:37 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Homesteader375: A friend of mine read some book and it was riddled with information about how private remuneration wasn't a "wage" and wasn't taxable, was exempt, blah, blah. So, this friend filled out exempt W2s. Didn't have any withholding, did everything this book said. Paid no federal tax. Filed state tax based on 1040. Paid no state tax. After like 5 years the state said "WTF?". Audited. Charged. Convicted on state charges of tax evasion. Then the Feds did the same thing. We're not talking about a 6 or 7 figure household. Ended up this couple were both felons, luckily they allowed one to take probation and the other 1 year of house arrest. The penalties were more than the taxes. 4 years later the penalties are paid off and they can start paying off the actual taxes so they can lift the tax lien on their home. The entire ordeal has cost them over $100k between lawyers, penalties, and taxes when they tried to avoid about 1/4 of that. Don't do it. I wonder how many people walked away from a conversation with him thinking like OP, "wow...this dude wasn't BS'ing. Obviously, this guy knew something I didn't and was able to leverage it!" Or all the people telling him the book was stupid, the ideology is wrong, and the strategy simply won't work, who I'm sure he ridiculed and dismissed as closed -minded idiots too integrated into "the system" to see the light... It always works until it doesn't. |
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Posted: 3/14/2024 7:17:53 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Daggertt: Do you continue to not pay your taxes still? Until the irs comes and makes you again, i mean? Or do you pay what you owe every year since you settled? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Daggertt: Originally Posted By thebrain: Do not ever go to tax court when they ask. Tell them you want a trial in a federal court with a jury of your peers. After four years of trying to trick me into going to tax court and me refusing, they settled. I owed 60k with penalties and interest. They accepted 28k. The constant threats from the IRS was going to destroy my marriage. Otherwise I would not have paid. My defense was that I informed them every year that I was not paying federal income tax and they ignored me until the bill was 60k. If I was required to pay, why didn't the IRS come after me when I told them I was not going to pay the very first year. I even posted about it here and got many of the same responses you have received. Everyone here complains about .gov but are unwilling to stop funding them. As a result the government will continue to grow and become more tyrannical. Until the irs comes and makes you again, i mean? Or do you pay what you owe every year since you settled? I have payroll taxes deducted every week. I have my deduction set up so that I owe and time of filing. If I owe more than I think is fair while using the standard deduction I itemize. If I have to itemize I charge a generously for my time. It can be a lot of work to read all the tax law to figure out what can be itemized "legally". And my labor is not cheap. I have not had to itemize since Trump took office. This year was close but I paid a lot of tuition cost which lowered my bill. 14k in tuition cut 3k from a 4k tax bill. I am not an arfcom millionaire. I made under 150k last year. |
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Posted: 3/14/2024 7:22:51 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Daggertt: That'snothowanyofthisworks.jpg That isn't a legal defense that would protect you from paying the taxes or penalties. If I send a letter to "the federal government" telling them I'm going to rob a bank every time i plan to rob one and no one responds until I've robbed a few banks, that doesn't somehow get me off the hook. And we complain but are unwilling to stop funding them because we don't want to get killed, go to jail or ruin our marriages or lives generally.... just like you, who ended up paying as well. Robbing a bank is immoral. Me telling an an inherently immoral government to fuck off is my right and duty as a free human. When you understand that you might finally grasp what the founding father felt. Get off your knees. The Constitution as originally written had provisions to fund government in a moral manner. |
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Posted: 3/14/2024 7:23:21 AM EDT
[Last Edit: Homesteader375]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Daggertt: But for those 5 years, you know he was proselytizing his amazing "secret they don't want you to know" and telling everyone who would listen that his method works "... just look at me! I haven't paid taxes in years! And the government hasn't said anything!" I wonder how many people walked away from a conversation with him thinking like OP, "wow...this dude wasn't BS'ing. Obviously, this guy knew something I didn't and was able to leverage it!" Or all the people telling him the book was stupid, the ideology is wrong, and the strategy simply won't work, who I'm sure he ridiculed and dismissed as closed -minded idiots too integrated into "the system" to see the light... It always works until it doesn't. I told him " if it was that simple, the Rockefellers, Trumps, and Kennedys of the world wouldn't be paying taxes" You know who didn't evade taxes and become a prohibited person? This guy. ETA: texted my buddy. The book was The Great Income Tax Hoax: Why You Can Immediately Stop Paying This Illegally Enforced Tax by Irwin Schiff. Fun fact, the author died in prison while serving time for tax evasion or something like that. |
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Posted: 3/14/2024 7:35:55 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By thebrain: Robbing a bank is immoral. Me telling an an inherently immoral government to fuck off is my right and duty as a free human. When you understand that you might finally grasp what the founding father felt. Get off your knees. The Constitution as originally written had provisions to fund government in a moral manner. And it's not the subject being discussed anyway. Now, in terms of what's legal or illegal is a different matter. And it IS what we've been talking about. And in that context, both bank robbery and tax evasion are on equal footing. Just ask Al Capone. You can morally object all you want, but breaking the law because you think the law is immoral will still land you in jail. Which you know. That's why you paid your taxes when the IRS called you out on it, and you continue to pay them. Don't tell me to get off my knees like you're not knelt down right next to me where we both just taxes to avoid fines and prison. |
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FL, USA
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Posted: 3/14/2024 7:47:46 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By LWT: This is definitely the #1 bot response anytime this subject is broached Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By LWT: Originally Posted By Banditman: Ask Wesley Snipes about that This is definitely the #1 bot response anytime this subject is broached |
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Posted: 3/14/2024 10:03:40 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By LWT: Several years ago I had a guy school me about the constitutional "right to travel" which is kind of in this same ball park. All of the licensing, taxes, fee's etc that the DMV levies is legally intended for vehicles that are on the road actively engaged in business - commerce. Not the average citizen driving 5 miles to work or to the grocery store. It was the first I had ever heard of it and remember feeling the same as I do now about the federal taxes, what?? Huh??. He was talking a lot of constitutional legalese and it all flew over my head. When I went to leave the establishment I was in, he followed me out and got into his vehicle that was parked about 30 feet in front of mine. As I glanced up, I noticed that his vehicle didn't have a state issued license plate; just a placard on the back that read "PRIVATE" in all caps. I thought, wow...this dude wasn't BS'ing. Obviously, this guy knew something I didn't and was able to leverage it. Same goes for many things in this world. The fed tax is a sore subject, but there are people just like Mr. PRIVATE that claim to have revoked themselves from this voluntary system.  Deadly Farmington officer involved shooting puts sovereign citizen movement into spotlight His dipshit sovereign parents got him into this crap. |
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FL, USA
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Posted: 3/14/2024 10:10:39 AM EDT
[#47]
I could do dirt roads and hunt and garden,
without the girl next door coming here from Boston because she brings Boston with her. I need to put a snake in her window. |
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Posted: 3/14/2024 10:12:09 AM EDT
[#48]
Taxation is theft. That’s why I won’t pay any tax on my Disability checks.
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MI, USA
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Posted: 3/14/2024 3:13:49 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Daggertt: There are plenty in this country that would say refusing to "pay your fair share" is immoral. Others think that taxes are inherently immoral. So what is immoral is subjective based on what your morals are. And it's not the subject being discussed anyway. Now, in terms of what's legal or illegal is a different matter. And it IS what we've been talking about. And in that context, both bank robbery and tax evasion are on equal footing. Just ask Al Capone. You can morally object all you want, but breaking the law because you think the law is immoral will still land you in jail. Which you know. That's why you paid your taxes when the IRS called you out on it, and you continue to pay them. Don't tell me to get off my knees like you're not knelt down right next to me where we both just taxes to avoid fines and prison. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Daggertt: Originally Posted By thebrain: Robbing a bank is immoral. Me telling an an inherently immoral government to fuck off is my right and duty as a free human. When you understand that you might finally grasp what the founding father felt. Get off your knees. The Constitution as originally written had provisions to fund government in a moral manner. And it's not the subject being discussed anyway. Now, in terms of what's legal or illegal is a different matter. And it IS what we've been talking about. And in that context, both bank robbery and tax evasion are on equal footing. Just ask Al Capone. You can morally object all you want, but breaking the law because you think the law is immoral will still land you in jail. Which you know. That's why you paid your taxes when the IRS called you out on it, and you continue to pay them. Don't tell me to get off my knees like you're not knelt down right next to me where we both just taxes to avoid fines and prison. Please define " fair share " If you can the please define " income " If I live 100% off grid grow my own food knitting my own clothes, build my own furniture and so on. How much of that labor is taxable as income? What would be my fair share for tax purposes? |
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Posted: 3/14/2024 3:23:43 PM EDT
[Last Edit: King_Mud]
[#50]
I think you misunderstand the terms.
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