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Posted: 1/21/2010 7:44:59 PM EDT
LIONHART broke the news on Bushmaster's MSRP:
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Msrp around 2700.00
Thank You.... Bushmaster Firearms International, LLC Office: 1-800-883-6229 ext.286 Fax: 207-892-8068 Posted: 1/18/2010 10:59:43 AM PST MAGPUL'S response: Quoted:
I would hold off until official word get released. This not what we have been told the base model price was going to be. _____________________________________ LIONHART speculated on the selling price on the ACR posted 9/22/2009: http://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=2&f=124&t=174298&page=11 Quoted:
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$2200.00 Who did you get that from? His ass. ________________________________________________________________________ LIONHART broke the news that the ACR would be delayed by Bushmaster: http://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=2&f=124&t=164655 Posted: 10/20/2008 2:27:44 PM PST Quoted:
Heard from Bushmaster today. I was told that their still hoping for first quarter, but that there COULD BE setbacks... Doesn't sound too promising.... Was also told more info should be out in December.... Now, this was from Bushmaster, the manufacture of the ACR. I guess they would know more than anyone else. From the way it sounds, the ACR will definitely NOT be out in January, and probably not February either. Hurry up first quarter 2010!!!!! NAH, OBAMA will have them banned before any make it out, especially if there are again delays, I mean setbacks in the ACR's production. MAGPUL'S response: Posted: 10/20/2008 2:48:36 PM PST Quoted:
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Congrats. Here's a tissue, there's the bathroom. My post was in response too: http://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=2&f=124&t=184065 Quoted:
Well, this new MSRP did come from Lionhart, the community's most reliable source of information, so it must be true. [/sarcasm] |
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So I can trust Lionhart's ass when it speaks? Sounds like it Actually the quotes by MAGPUL is what I find interesting. For MAGPUL not knowing about the retail cost, delays, ETC. seems (AT LEAST TO ME) kinda odd, as MAGPUL always stated that they would be very close to the project... ___________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ http://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=2&f=124&t=174298&page=25 12-18-2009 Quoted:
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The rumor says Bushmaster decided to go with metal, Magpul hasn't had any say in the ACR in a couple years. You Sir once again continue to defecate from your oral cavity via your fingertips in this forum. No say huh? Really? We have continued to have a direct relationship with BM and Rem on the ACR project. Enough is enough SOC. With every post you make you confuse people more. Just for clarification, the ACR will have a injected molded lower receiver. The metal receiver is in the testing phase and is intended for specific end users that I will not disclose in a public forum. |
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Kudos, Lionhart.
Hank, Dude, you gotta get some sleep and stop breathing too much of those diaper fumes . . . Play nice. |
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Just don't pull anything patting yourself on the back, LIONHART.
I'm ... intrigued by the apparent fact that Bushmaster has pulled a fast one on the guys at Magpul, too, but I don't expect we'll hear much about it. |
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Mr. Lionheart, for what it's worth, you were unfortunately proven correct.
Couldn't resist the temptation to gloat a little huh? Lol |
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Congrats Lionheart,
Thats the way to manage this groupies/fanboys.... WITH FACTS! Still waiting for the MagPul explanation about the ACR price and 1/9 bbl. |
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All this shit about the nightmarish ACR has made me not even want to look at guns for a while.
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All this shit about the nightmarish ACR has made me not even want to look at guns for a while. Don't let it get you down brother, anytime I start to get angry or feel a little sad ove the ACR debacle I just watch the Hitler video again....and again....and again! Lionheart, looks like you were right man. You stayed abreast on the issue... |
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Ummmm.... yea.. right. "Since we didn't strip it down from the .mil version is why the price is what it is".... [email protected] (that's the marketing manager's email addy) -ZA |
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Not that it will ever happen, but I'd like to hear Magpul's comments about what a clusterfuck the ACR has become.
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Not that it will ever happen, but I'd like to hear Magpul's comments about what a clusterfuck the ACR has become. You aint gonna hear from them for a while. Oh and Lionhart, you were right bro.....you were right. |
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Not that it will ever happen, but I'd like to hear Magpul's comments about what a clusterfuck the ACR has become. Agreed. Especially some sincere apologies for the words they posted in response to LIONHART's (and most people's) comments. |
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Congrats. Here's a tissue, there's the bathroom. Typical negative comment, contributing nothing to the thread other than negativity. Well played. |
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I think the simplest explanation is that all that development, revision, testing and other R&D to make a hopeful military prospect weapon costs a lot of $$$.
And we get to pay for it. |
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How about...
You were lied to? How about... Mapgul milked AR15's community for all its worth over the years to establish themselves? How about... Magpul has made enough money now that they no longer care about any backlash? Bah, never happen, what do I know. |
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Kudos, Lionhart. Hank, Dude, you gotta get some sleep and stop breathing too much of those diaper fumes . . . Play nice. Double |
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Congrats. Here's a tissue, there's the bathroom. Typical negative comment, contributing nothing to the thread other than negativity. Well played. Because Arfcom is a fountain of good vibes, right? |
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Thanks for putting it all in one thread. I know there was some back and forth on it but all summed up is easy to understand.
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Typical negative comment, contributing nothing to the thread other than negativity. Well played. Other than stroking LIONHART's egorebutting LIONHART's detractors, what purpose does this thread serve that isn't served equally well by any of the dozen or more other ACR threads? |
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Drake tellin you that you were talking out of your ass is the exact reason I won't be purchasing so much as a stick of gum from them. I'm not crying about the price of the damn gun, that is what it is....but the bullshit rock-star smugmess is over the top. They lost a customer...and I doubt they even care.
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lol, not stripping it down, getting what the solider gets, hahaha,
i guess we are going to 1/9 twist barrels now, missed that memo, glad you guys have a metric ton of 1/09 twist barrels availible |
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I'd like to see a full photo of Bushmasters booth at Shot Show- what he was standing in front of looked like something a 6th grader put together for a Science Fair. And the tard doing the explaining on the video- if anything, Bushmaster should take the excess profit of the ACR and invest it back into their image- because they looked like shit in that video.
Pay someone who can talk Pay people who can visually design Seems simple to me..... |
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So what?
Wow. you can make speculative guesses that can be close to correct. |
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Quoted: Ummmm.... yea.. right. "Since we didn't strip it down from the .mil version is why the price is what it is".... [email protected] (that's the marketing manager's email addy) -ZA The point at 3:40 is the BM rep stating it was a partnership with Magpul, despite all the cries here otherwise. |
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Meh, I am not concerned with the ACR anymore. I will continue to be a Magpul customer and have also opted to build a new mid length AR instead. Looking forward to Gen2 MBUS and mid length MOE. :)
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Typical negative comment, contributing nothing to the thread other than negativity. Well played. Other than stroking LIONHART's egorebutting LIONHART's detractors, what purpose does this thread serve that isn't served equally well by any of the dozen or more other ACR threads? Nothing to do with ego, and little to do with being right. What this has to do with is that IMO, MAGPUL deserves just as much criticism as BM has been getting the last several days. I ain't buying that they didn't know. I don't believe it now, and I didn't believe it when MAGPUL apparently was unaware of the ACR being set back another year. MAGPUL has always stated that they were close to the ACR project with BM. There are literally dozens of post's by MAGPUL that proves this. ONE MONTH PRIOR TO SHOT SHOW:: 12-18-2009 Quoted:
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The rumor says Bushmaster decided to go with metal, Magpul hasn't had any say in the ACR in a couple years. You Sir once again continue to defecate from your oral cavity via your fingertips in this forum. No say huh? Really? We have continued to have a direct relationship with BM and Rem on the ACR project. Enough is enough SOC. With every post you make you confuse people more. Just for clarification, the ACR will have a injected molded lower receiver. The metal receiver is in the testing phase and is intended for specific end users that I will not disclose in a public forum. "We have continued to have a direct relationship with BM and Rem on the ACR project", and yet we are led to believe that MAGPUL didn't know that just a month later the ACR was going to be double the price? Sorry MAGPUL, but it wasn't me that was talking out of my ass... |
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Nothing to do with ego, and little to do with being right. What this has to do with is that IMO, MAGPUL deserves just as much criticism as BM has been getting the last several days. I ain't buying that they didn't know. I don't believe it now, and I didn't believe it when MAGPUL apparently was unaware of the ACR being set back another year. MAGPUL has always stated that they were close to the ACR project with BM. There are literally dozens of post's by MAGPUL that proves this. Really? I don't see Magpul in the title, and the original post doesn't include any analysis, so I'm left with the title, which is about ... you. You'll understand if I draw my own conclusions. And I still don't see why this couldn't have been in one of the existing threads, and I don't see why you need to reiterate that you were right if this is about anything else. And this'll be the last I bother with this thread. I don't see it going anywhere useful. |
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Congrats. Here's a tissue, there's the bathroom. Typical negative comment, contributing nothing to the thread other than negativity. Well played. Because Arfcom is a fountain of good vibes, right? Because you are a Moderator. When Moderators get involved in the b*tchiness, maybe that's part of the problem. I would expect you to set the example. |
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Nothing to do with ego, and little to do with being right. What this has to do with is that IMO, MAGPUL deserves just as much criticism as BM has been getting the last several days. I ain't buying that they didn't know. I don't believe it now, and I didn't believe it when MAGPUL apparently was unaware of the ACR being set back another year. MAGPUL has always stated that they were close to the ACR project with BM. There are literally dozens of post's by MAGPUL that proves this. Really? I don't see Magpul in the title, and the original post doesn't include any analysis, so I'm left with the title, which is about ... you. You'll understand if I draw my own conclusions. And I still don't see why this couldn't have been in one of the existing threads, and I don't see why you need to reiterate that you were right if this is about anything else. And this'll be the last I bother with this thread. I don't see it going anywhere useful. Title yes, as three out of the four quotes were directed at me by MAGPUL. |
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Nothing to do with ego, and little to do with being right. What this has to do with is that IMO, MAGPUL deserves just as much criticism as BM has been getting the last several days. I ain't buying that they didn't know. I don't believe it now, and I didn't believe it when MAGPUL apparently was unaware of the ACR being set back another year. MAGPUL has always stated that they were close to the ACR project with BM. There are literally dozens of post's by MAGPUL that proves this. Really? I don't see Magpul in the title, and the original post doesn't include any analysis, so I'm left with the title, which is about ... you. You'll understand if I draw my own conclusions. And I still don't see why this couldn't have been in one of the existing threads, and I don't see why you need to reiterate that you were right if this is about anything else. And this'll be the last I bother with this thread. I don't see it going anywhere useful. Title yes, as three out of the four quotes were directed at me by MAGPUL. I'd be a little more than pissed if I did a little research that I then disseminated as honestly as I could only to basically be called a liar or an idiot. LIONHART has every right to post what he believes was a little bit of wrong-doing by someone. This thread shows that there was the info out there, it was dealt with poorly by the company. Will they respond when they get back from SHOT? Who knows? thats that really important because they don;t have to respond. What is important is that people see that someone did his homework and was belittled for it. ETA. Just to let all 2 two people who care, I'll still be a magpul customer and will most likely be a bushmaster customer (if I need anything from them). But I hope this incident is a learning opportunity for ALL parties (Magpul, BM, ARFCOM, me, my dog, etc...) |
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Quoted: ETA. Just to let all 2 two people who care, I'll still be a magpul customer and will most likely be a bushmaster customer (if I need anything from them). But I hope this incident is a learning opportunity for ALL parties (Magpul, BM, ARFCOM, me, my dog, etc...) That'll teach them a lesson / hold them accountable. I think it was deception, plain and simple. |
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ETA. Just to let all 2 two people who care, I'll still be a magpul customer and will most likely be a bushmaster customer (if I need anything from them). But I hope this incident is a learning opportunity for ALL parties (Magpul, BM, ARFCOM, me, my dog, etc...) That'll teach them a lesson / hold them accountable. I think it was deception, plain and simple. Hold them accountable? They didn't break any laws, shit, they didn't even do anything that out of the ordinary. If Rich Fitzpatrick came to my house and shot my dog, then yeah I'd hold them accountable, but for now my dog is happily chewing a rawhide and I am no worse off because the ACR is shit. Actually I have some money I wasn't planning on having. |
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Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: ETA. Just to let all 2 two people who care, I'll still be a magpul customer and will most likely be a bushmaster customer (if I need anything from them). But I hope this incident is a learning opportunity for ALL parties (Magpul, BM, ARFCOM, me, my dog, etc...) That'll teach them a lesson / hold them accountable. I think it was deception, plain and simple. Hold them accountable? They didn't break any laws, shit, they didn't even do anything that out of the ordinary. If Rich Fitzpatrick came to my house and shot my dog, then yeah I'd hold them accountable, but for now my dog is happily chewing a rawhide and I am no worse off because the ACR is shit. Actually I have some money I wasn't planning on having. SSpicher, if you tell me something, can I count on it? Or would you make premature promises? Tell me SSpicher, what kind of man are you, can I trust your word? If you made a commitment to me, but it would take 2 years to come to fruition, can I put any faith in it? Or is your word conditional? |
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Congrats. Here's a tissue, there's the bathroom. Typical negative comment, contributing nothing to the thread other than negativity. Well played. Because Arfcom is a fountain of good vibes, right? Because you are a Moderator. When Moderators get involved in the b*tchiness, maybe that's part of the problem. I would expect you to set the example. You might be surprised to learn they we have opinions as well, and occasionally share them. |
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ETA. Just to let all 2 two people who care, I'll still be a magpul customer and will most likely be a bushmaster customer (if I need anything from them). But I hope this incident is a learning opportunity for ALL parties (Magpul, BM, ARFCOM, me, my dog, etc...) That'll teach them a lesson / hold them accountable. I think it was deception, plain and simple. Hold them accountable? They didn't break any laws, shit, they didn't even do anything that out of the ordinary. If Rich Fitzpatrick came to my house and shot my dog, then yeah I'd hold them accountable, but for now my dog is happily chewing a rawhide and I am no worse off because the ACR is shit. Actually I have some money I wasn't planning on having. SSpicher, if you tell me something, can I count on it? Or would you make premature promises? Tell me SSpicher, what kind of man are you, can I trust your word? If you made a commitment to me, but it would take 2 years to come to fruition, can I put any faith in it? Or is your word conditional? If you want to hold a grudge thats fine. Im just saying, no one was hurt, no one died. Am I mad? Sure I am. Do I think some Tomfoolery happened? Hell yeah. Do I think that I'm going to boycott Magpul because they said one thing then did another? No. I will continue to buy the products they produce as long as they continue to perform their function better than others. Getting lied to sucks ass. But the business world is sometimes cut throat and I would advise against putting too much faith in what ANY company says nowadays (as fucked up as that is its true). |
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Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: ETA. Just to let all 2 two people who care, I'll still be a magpul customer and will most likely be a bushmaster customer (if I need anything from them). But I hope this incident is a learning opportunity for ALL parties (Magpul, BM, ARFCOM, me, my dog, etc...) That'll teach them a lesson / hold them accountable. I think it was deception, plain and simple. Hold them accountable? They didn't break any laws, shit, they didn't even do anything that out of the ordinary. If Rich Fitzpatrick came to my house and shot my dog, then yeah I'd hold them accountable, but for now my dog is happily chewing a rawhide and I am no worse off because the ACR is shit. Actually I have some money I wasn't planning on having. SSpicher, if you tell me something, can I count on it? Or would you make premature promises? Tell me SSpicher, what kind of man are you, can I trust your word? If you made a commitment to me, but it would take 2 years to come to fruition, can I put any faith in it? Or is your word conditional? If you want to hold a grudge thats fine. Im just saying, no one was hurt, no one died. Am I mad? Sure I am. Do I think some Tomfoolery happened? Hell yeah. Do I think that I'm going to boycott Magpul because they said one thing then did another? No. I will continue to buy the products they produce as long as they continue to perform their function better than others. Getting lied to sucks ass. But the business world is sometimes cut throat and I would advise against putting too much faith in what ANY company says nowadays (as fucked up as that is its true). No worries man, not angry with you, and I do agree with you. My opinion? Mapgul got a BUTTLOAD of attention on this site over the years, which helped propense them to where they are today. To do this... it just doesn't seat well with me. |
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The ACR has no future in my safe at that price but the best of luck to magpul.
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Mapgul got a BUTTLOAD of attention on this site over the years, which helped propense them to where they are today. To do this... it just doesn't seat well with me. Agreed. |
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Mapgul got a BUTTLOAD of attention on this site over the years, which helped propense them to where they are today. To do this... it just doesn't seat well with me. Agreed. Not to mention that at one time MAGPUL had asked us to contact our congressman in support of the PMAG. Will I do the same in support of the Remington ACR? I don't think so... |
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Any bets on how long it takes before Magpul locks all these ACR threads?
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To be honest with you, I got to shoot an ACR and was less than impressed. Didn't like it any where near my AR. As far as the price thing goes, somebody just got greedy. When u get 3 companies invovled in a process, everyone wants their cut which is gonna drive up the cost no matter what the inventor wants.
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I don't see the point in beating a dead horse. I canceled my pre-order and decided to forget the ACR and move on. With some of the new products coming out for AR's, hell, I might even give up on all of these wonder rifles all together now.
Sadly, I think RRA's new side charging, buffer tubeless, gas piston upper is the most exciting thing I've seen yet. No offense to RRA, but I think it's bad when they're the only people who can even half ass'edly deliver what it is that people want. And I don't see why you're ragging on Magpul. Obviously they had/have nothing to do with the ACR program at all other than making the plastic. They made a business deal and got the money they were promised, so even if they did care that Bushmaster pissed all over everyone they can't do shit about it anyways. Hell, I give it two years before Magpul doesn't make any of the ACR's parts anyways. If anything, Magpul deserves sympathy for either making a huge mistake that hopefully they learn from, or for getting the hot beef injection from Cerberus. |
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