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Posted: 12/18/2017 2:17:32 PM EDT
Hey all, I have a meeting coming up about planning ahead for future optics projects for our brand. If you've posted up "Hey, why don't you guys build a ..." in the past or if you have a really cool idea for an optics product, here's your chance! What is the product that doesn't exist right now, that you would want to buy with the Primary Arms name etched on the side.
And GO! 
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VA, USA
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Posted: 2/9/2018 9:34:07 PM EDT
[#1]
Looks like several people are interested in a good spotter at a blue collar price like I am! That's awesome!!
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TX, USA
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Posted: 2/13/2018 1:00:54 AM EDT
[#2]
another vote for green
 reticle in a Prism.
Perhaps no top rail and daytime illumination. |
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WA, USA
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Posted: 2/17/2018 1:29:33 AM EDT
[#3]
A holosun hs510c competitor
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Posted: 2/22/2018 5:43:17 PM EDT
[Last Edit: FishKepr]
[#4]
A 3-9x 40 or 2-7x 32 rimfire scope.
Something better than the Simmons which pretty much owns the budget market. |
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USA
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Posted: 2/23/2018 3:33:09 AM EDT
[#5]
I would definitely be in for a spotter with a 45 to 60x top end and an ffp milling reticle. Straight mil or moa options instead of some bdc type reticle. I'm good with straight or angled eyepiece.
On a side note, I just received one of your blem 1-6 300blk scopes. The box is marked blem reticle and blem illumination, but I can't find a thing wrong with either. Free delivery, half way across the country in 3 days, and a "blem" I can't find anything wrong with for under $200 is freaking amazing. Loving PA |
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AL, USA
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Posted: 2/27/2018 9:33:37 PM EDT
[#6]
an RMR type sight and a prisim sight.
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Posted: 3/1/2018 5:13:16 AM EDT
[#7]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By FishKepr:
A 3-9x 40 or 2-7x 32 rimfire scope. Something better than the Simmons which pretty much owns the budget market. You need more .22LR ACSS options available. The 6x is nice, and the 1-6x is great if you're trying to match a larger rifle for training purposes, but it would be nice to have more options to choose from. I think 3-18x would be another good magnification range to consider, in addition to those listed above. My only concern would be the ACSS reticle only working at full magnification, so may FFP might be a better choice. Build me a FFP .22LR ACSS scope with a decent magnification range and I would be ecstatic! |
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Posted: 3/2/2018 3:13:40 AM EDT
[#8]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Evile:
FDE 1-6X optics |
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OH, USA
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Posted: 3/2/2018 1:32:42 PM EDT
[Last Edit: HunterKiller86]
[#9]
A premium line 1-6 or a 1-8 (preferably 6x so the eyebox can be better).
- Capped turrets - 17 - 22 ounces - Eyebox as good as razor on 1x and 6x - Same durability and reliability as razor gen II, nightforce atacr, S&B pm II, etc - Daylight bright ACSS reticle - SFP - Built in fin for magnification adjustment - Similar quality of glass to that of the razor line or the premium PA line - Locking diopter - Locking and incremental illum. knob - Price between $1250 and $1700 street Essentially the best features of all the SOCOM Squad variable procurement options. |
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Posted: 3/2/2018 2:04:30 PM EDT
[#10]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By HunterKiller86:
A premium line 1-6 or a 1-8 (preferably 6x so the eyebox can be better). - Capped turrets - 17 - 22 ounces - Eyebox as good as razor on 1x and 6x - Same durability and reliability as razor gen II, nightforce atacr, S&B pm II, etc - Daylight bright ACSS reticle - SFP - Built in fin for magnification adjustment - Similar quality of glass to that of the razor line or the premium PA line - Locking diopter - Locking and incremental illum. knob - Price between $1250 and $1700 street Essentially the best features of all the SOCOM Squad variable procurement options. I especially like the locking diopter idea. We've never done that, and I put in the user manuals that some guys will use electrical tape, or put a dab of paint as a witness mark for their ideal diopter location. I usually use flip caps to that more or less locks them in place, but a locking ring behind the diopter would be even better. |
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CO, USA
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Posted: 3/3/2018 1:02:04 PM EDT
[#11]
Fixed 6x with ACSS with chevron like the 1-8X Scope ACSS 5.56 / 5.45 / .308 Reticle or HUD DMR.
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AZ, USA
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Posted: 3/4/2018 6:31:53 AM EDT
[#12]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Evile:
FDE 1-6X optics |
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FL, USA
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Posted: 3/4/2018 8:55:58 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Sublimeon24s]
[#13]
Something pretty much EVERYONE would like to see: A better looking branding logo on the side of their optic...........that font is longggggggg overdue for a makeover. Whoever is in charge of that needs to consider this very seriously. The optics you guys are releasing are nice, the Primary Arms fully spelled out in that font is the only thing that gives them a cheap appearance. Come up with a cool PA logo like the new Eotech one or something
Another thing it seems lots of people want to see: The current MD-AD-RB rotary knob micro with the ACSS reticle |
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Posted: 3/9/2018 1:20:22 PM EDT
[#14]
A quality PA compact spotting scope would be wonderful. Take the layout of the compact Bushnell Legend T series 15-45 tactical mil reticle spotter, use better glass, your own FFP reticle for ranging/corrections, add heavier duty screws for installing the rails (have to keep those for NV devices/rangefinder), and design a better included "scope coat" that still allowed use of said rails. This would absolutely crush the spotting scope market, you guys would sell an unholy number of them.
Basically, please improve on this: 
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NE, USA
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Posted: 3/9/2018 3:31:24 PM EDT
[Last Edit: -OdieGreen-]
[#15]
Originally Posted By Shooter-Mike:
another vote for green reticle in a Prism.
Perhaps no top rail and daytime illumination. |
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Posted: 3/10/2018 3:52:10 AM EDT
[#16]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By fordkicksass:
A quality PA compact spotting scope would be wonderful. Take the layout of the compact Bushnell Legend T series 15-45 tactical mil reticle spotter, use better glass, your own FFP reticle for ranging/corrections, add heavier duty screws for installing the rails (have to keep those for NV devices/rangefinder), and design a better included "scope coat" that still allowed use of said rails. This would absolutely crush the spotting scope market, you guys would sell an unholy number of them. Basically, please improve on this: https://i.imgur.com/0H67X7E.jpg You are competing with Bushnell, Athlon, and, to some extent, Vortex. A scope configured as mentioned above would be impossible to keep in stock. |
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Posted: 3/16/2018 11:39:31 AM EDT
[#17]
1x ETCHED illuminated reticle for those with an astigmatism.
PLEASE! |
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Posted: 3/16/2018 1:10:02 PM EDT
[#18]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Strikefirst:
1x ETCHED illuminated reticle for those with an astigmatism. PLEASE! 
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Posted: 3/17/2018 10:57:31 AM EDT
[Last Edit: heavymetal762]
[#19]
A better logo font. Seriously.
Oh, and a 2.5-10 scope with MOA reticle (illuminated, maybe something similar to the Nightforce NP2-R reticle) that is solid but reasonably priced. Think duty-quality. also, Maybe something along the lines of a C-More red dot with a good battery life. Or, make something comparable to the 3-9x VX-R Patrol, only for around $350 bucks. |
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OH, USA
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Posted: 3/18/2018 3:49:38 AM EDT
[#20]
Another vote for an RMR type sight.
And make it fit the Glock MOS without needing a plate  And I take care of any logo issues with a sharpie. |
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Posted: 3/24/2018 8:33:27 AM EDT
[Last Edit: Et2ss]
[#21]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Sublimeon24s:
Something pretty much EVERYONE would like to see: A better looking branding logo on the side of their optic...........that font is longggggggg overdue for a makeover. Whoever is in charge of that needs to consider this very seriously. The optics you guys are releasing are nice, the Primary Arms fully spelled out in that font is the only thing that gives them a cheap appearance. Come up with a cool PA logo like the new Eotech one or something 
 Honestly, this is the least of my peeves Decent optics at decent prices, that's what matters |
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VA, USA
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Posted: 3/24/2018 10:33:13 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Deadsquiggles]
[#22]
2.5-10x32 FFP Mildot scope would be great. 3-15x50 FFP Mildot too. Mildot all the things.
And a red dot to compete with the RMR. |
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Posted: 3/25/2018 8:01:36 AM EDT
[#23]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Deadsquiggles:
2.5-10x32 FFP Mildot scope would be great. 3-15x50 FFP Mildot too. Mildot all the things. And a red dot to compete with the RMR. I'd put 2.5-10 or 3-9 mil/mil ffp scopes on half the rifles I own. |
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Posted: 3/26/2018 10:02:00 AM EDT
[#24]
We had given up entirely on a reciprocating slide mounted reflex sight. Couldn't pull it off, too expensive to develop, wouldn't be tough enough.
But then... there was some extra white space on the old drawing board. And, well... we're looking into it. Again. |
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Posted: 3/27/2018 3:15:47 PM EDT
[#25]
I'd love to see someone figure out an inexpensive dual focal plane 1-X. Especially if it had the ACSS reticle.
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Posted: 3/27/2018 10:52:01 PM EDT
[#26]
2-10x32 or 2-12x32 mil/mil - seems like the optic lots of grendel/valkyries would be begging for but isn't well represented in the mid-price range.
Also a new 1-4x20 ultralight with KISS reticle and capped turrets. |
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FL, USA
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Posted: 3/28/2018 9:48:39 PM EDT
[#27]
Reflex/rmr sight. With everyone throwing them on their pistols, one in the $150 range would clean house.
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Posted: 3/29/2018 4:54:16 AM EDT
[#28]
Agree with the logo/font statements. In higher end optics circles, they literally are saying that no one buys PA Platinum because the logo/font makes it look cheap as hell.
Make the platinum line come in FDE, give it a cool name or logo, and they will sell even better. Make the cheaper line optics in FDE and change the logo/font and they will sell even better. I know the font and all is probably a thing people have learned to know and love from PA, but I consistently hear that it makes y’all look cheap compared to other brands, and perception is reality. |
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Posted: 3/29/2018 9:52:48 AM EDT
[#29]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By -WhiteFang-:
Agree with the logo/font statements. In higher end optics circles, they literally are saying that no one buys PA Platinum because the logo/font makes it look cheap as hell. Make the platinum line come in FDE, give it a cool name or logo, and they will sell even better. Make the cheaper line optics in FDE and change the logo/font and they will sell even better. I know the font and all is probably a thing people have learned to know and love from PA, but I consistently hear that it makes y’all look cheap compared to other brands, and perception is reality. Primary Arms started out as a small startup selling $80 red dots on the Arfcom EE. The focus was (and still is) on fast shipping, customer service, and impressive value. What the logo looked like wasn't really a huge deal ten years ago. But, we've grown a LOT and times have changed. So, we'll be presenting ourselves differently in another year or so. |
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Posted: 3/31/2018 7:32:56 AM EDT
[Last Edit: Charmingmander]
[#30]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By PA_Mike: We've been aware of this for awhile now. And we are working on it, but rebranding is a BIG deal. You absolutely have to get it right, there are a thousand ways to go wrong and have everyone laugh at you. But we will be redoing everything from the company logo to the design of the boxes the optics come in. Everything. Primary Arms started out as a small startup selling $80 red dots on the Arfcom EE. The focus was (and still is) on fast shipping, customer service, and impressive value. What the logo looked like wasn't really a huge deal ten years ago. But, we've grown a LOT and times have changed. So, we'll be presenting ourselves differently in another year or so.  ) and plan on buying more this year.Personally I don't care about the font, especially since I'm having my local shop do a coating on the scope soon. But man, I've seen so many complaints or comments about the font 
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FL, USA
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Posted: 4/1/2018 11:58:30 PM EDT
[#31]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Caeser2001:
Trijicon Accupoint 1-4 with the ACSS reticle with a green reticle. |
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Posted: 4/2/2018 10:50:33 AM EDT
[Last Edit: PA_Mike]
[#32]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By -WhiteFang-:
Personally I don't care about the font, especially since I'm having my local shop do a coating on the scope soon. But man, I've seen so many complaints or comments about the font You don't see anyone complaining about NC Star's font or Sightmark's font, right? 
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Posted: 4/6/2018 10:17:37 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Charmingmander]
[#33]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By PA_Mike: I take it as a compliment that people complain about the font. That means they think the quality of the product is being let down by the presentation. It means they actually care. You don't see anyone complaining about NC Star's font or Sightmark's font, right? |
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OR, USA
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Posted: 4/8/2018 12:45:19 AM EDT
[#34]
I’d like a spotting scope around $350 and a lower cost 3-18x. I have a bunch of rifles that I’d love to put the higher $$$ scopes on but, can’t do it for each.
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CO, USA
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Posted: 4/11/2018 5:05:14 PM EDT
[#35]
I'd like to see something like an Elcan, a 1x/5 or 6x with the ACSS reticle from the platinum 1-6, great eye relief and eyebox on 1x, and a fast and ambi method of switching the magnification. Weight isn't an issue since the 1-6+ADM mount is already hefty. I really just want the 1x and 6x anyway, so make it a binary choice. Under $500.
Too much to ask?
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Posted: 4/12/2018 9:01:45 PM EDT
[#36]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By PA_Mike:
The answer I've gotten from other people in the industry when I asked them was "It won't look like a tactical scope, if you put a big bell on the front it'll look like a hunting scope and the buyers will be confused and it wouldn't sell." I won't say which company told me that but yeah. Wow. |
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Posted: 4/13/2018 9:35:53 AM EDT
[#37]
As a matter of fact, no. The Vortex guys are straight up. Although they are a competitor in the market, they have our respect. Vortex actually made a really good post midway down page 2 of this thread about why putting a larger ocular up front isn't a magic solution to every eyebox problem.
Scroll down about halfway. |
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Posted: 4/13/2018 11:30:11 AM EDT
[#38]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By PA_Mike:
As a matter of fact, no. The Vortex guys are straight up. Although they are a competitor in the market, they have our respect. Vortex actually made a really good post midway down page 2 of this thread about why putting a larger ocular up front isn't a magic solution to every eyebox problem. Scroll down about halfway. I only guessed them because I know they are a direct competitor with multiple products. |
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VA, USA
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Posted: 4/13/2018 4:14:42 PM EDT
[Last Edit: sovaprepper]
[#39]
Just want to say once more how awesome a 2-10 or even better a 1.5-12 ffp with the Griffin mil grid from the platinum 1-8 would be. With the locking turrets(even capped turrets would be fine) quality and price of the new 3-18s
30mm tube 40-42mm objective And the shortest OAL length y'all could manage. Dream optic for AR-10s with shorter barrels and non standard calibers or for shooters that just want a few more aiming points than the acss. |
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Posted: 4/13/2018 11:11:55 PM EDT
[#40]
How about a simple lasered Primary Arms as the do with the no logo lowers.
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Posted: 4/16/2018 5:42:53 PM EDT
[#41]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By sefus:
it looks like this: http://www.fire-4-effect.com/assets/images/default/Trijicon1-2.jpg but it says this: http://www.primaryarms.com/c.3901023/sca-dev-montblanc/img/SCA_Logo.png I'd also like to see something like an LCO or UH-1 styled sight, I like the square eye box. |
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WI, USA
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Posted: 4/22/2018 2:25:52 AM EDT
[#42]
Prism scope with the ACSS reticle for 6.5 Grendel.
Sure, the 5.56/.308 one can work but just like the .300blk one you made, a dedicated one will work better. RMR/DeltaPoint/Fastfire "clone". Pretty self explanatory. Holosun HS510C "clone". This looks interesting to me but honestly feel its priced to close to higher end optics. Doing something similar while cutting out the solar stuff to save $$$ would get my attention. Nikon Prostaff Target EFR competitor. Do yours with a side parralax & finger adjustable turrets. I dont think the ACSS reticle would work well here but it IS popular. Maybe tweak it to be more "target" friendly? ATN X-sight competitor. This is probably a bit out there, but you guys could probably pull this off better then a lot of others. The X-Sight is pretty cool but it does seem to have some "feature bloat" and is kinda unreliable from the amount of issues I see posted on the FB groups. Get something that can replicate the clarity & eye relief of their new 4k and put it in a bomb proof housing with solid firmware & good battery life. Make using it as a day/night scope it's primary feature and only add in recording, bluetooth, wifi, gps, streaming, & ect if it wont drive the price up. Get it $100-200 cheaper than the X-sight and you'll have a lot of new customers. |
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OR, USA
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Posted: 4/25/2018 1:48:56 PM EDT
[#43]
I would like to see a 1-8x platinum scope where some advantages such as eyebox are sacrificed for weight similar to the Nightforce NX8. The platinum is beautiful but man is it beastly.
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By PA_Mike: I take it as a compliment that people complain about the font. That means they think the quality of the product is being let down by the presentation. It means they actually care. You don't see anyone complaining about NC Star's font or Sightmark's font, right? |
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Posted: 4/25/2018 4:00:07 PM EDT
[#44]
Not a 'new' optic but an improvement suggestion.
I had just received my 1-6 x Griffin-Mil today. It's an excellent scope for the money. Bright & clear with a fairly generous eye box. One thing that would make it more handy would be to have an 'off' position in between each brightness level on the illumination switch. That would make this scope about perfect for the average shooter, like myself |
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Posted: 4/25/2018 6:22:47 PM EDT
[#45]
Another vote for A 2-10x32 with the ACSS reticle for the 5.56/308/5.45
This would’ve a huge seller |
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SC, USA
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Posted: 4/25/2018 7:47:58 PM EDT
[Last Edit: fadetoblack73]
[#46]
1. Red Dots (full size & micro) with circle/dot (eotech) reticles.
2. More of the low-cost PA products that made the brand famous ($400 - $1000 optics are available from a lot of companies. PA used to be the only place to get budget products that you could still actually rely on.) 3. PA brand products hardly ever go on sale anymore. I would love to see specials like there used to be on a regular basis. I remember looking at the calendar for the next holiday because I knew PA was going to have a Micro on sale for $69! LOL 4. PA version of the Trijicon ACOG. More PA budget (but still reliable quality) products that aren't optics... 5. Lights & Weapon Lights 6. Lasers 7. Nylon Equipment (like the roll-up shooting mat, bags, pouches, etc.) 8. Innovative products like the camo templates 9. Gunsmith tools and supplies |
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Posted: 4/26/2018 9:47:25 AM EDT
[#47]
Good stuff, Fadetoblack73.
Thanks to all you guys. I haven't replied in this thread for awhile but I'm reading and taking down notes here. |
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OH, USA
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Posted: 4/28/2018 4:58:41 AM EDT
[#48]
Micro 2.5x ACSS prism scope, similar to the micro acog.
Prism scopes with a peep hole drilled through the mount. |
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OH, USA
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Posted: 4/28/2018 5:10:19 AM EDT
[#49]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By txntyler:
Primary Arms myself and several others would LOVE to see a Trijicon MRO with the ACSS reticle. This would be AMAZING! |
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OR, USA
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Posted: 4/28/2018 12:46:30 PM EDT
[#50]
Actually, disregard my previous comment. That would probably not be different enough from the 1-8x platinum you already have to be worthwhile. How about a LPVO with platinum glass in a 1" tube with the primary driving purpose to be as lightweight as possible. Like that little Leupold 1.5-4x.
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