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UT, USA
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Posted: 1/17/2022 12:01:56 AM EDT
So Joe, what can you tell us about the new handguard?
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Posted: 1/18/2022 2:05:54 PM EDT
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Please, more info. Lengths available, M203 and M320 compatibility, mass.
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Posted: 1/18/2022 3:11:07 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By pezboytate: Please, more info. Lengths available, M203 and M320 compatibility, mass. This. |
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MN, USA
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Posted: 1/18/2022 3:35:23 PM EDT
[Last Edit: P51D_katydid]
[#3]
https://danieldefense.com/press-media
Click download you can see pics and spec sheets.. complete guns Carbine gas: 10.3", 11.5", 14.5" barrel lengths Mid Length: 16" barrels RIS III lengths: 9.5", 10.5", 12.5" |
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USA
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Posted: 1/18/2022 3:55:23 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By P51D_katydid: RIS III lengths: 9.5", 10.5", 12.5" This is somewhat disappointing. I was hoping DD would follow the newer trend of having the handguard run the length of the barrel, almost flush with the muzzle device. I was never a fan of how much of the barrel was exposed on an old 12.25" RIS II with a 14.5" barrel. It always looked much better with a 13.7" or 13.9" barrel, imo. Ideally, I would have liked a 13" length for 13.9" barrels and a 13.5" length for 14.5" barrels. Also, 16" barrels are still super popular and DD is leaving those out in the cold with no 15" handguard. |
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TX, USA
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Posted: 1/18/2022 4:39:00 PM EDT
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Noticed their new rifles are posted with ambidextrous bolt hold open/release similar to the LMT approach.
Friggin beautiful, glad to see another superb company offering such controls. |
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VA, USA
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Posted: 1/18/2022 5:41:48 PM EDT
[#6]
Ambi lowers for sale pls
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Posted: 1/18/2022 5:43:04 PM EDT
[#7]
I wonder what the weight difference is between the ris2 vs ris3
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Posted: 1/18/2022 5:56:00 PM EDT
[#8]
Cool. Thanks for sharing.
I'll take one of each, please. Note: Their press release page has MK18 RIII incorrectly listed with 13.0" barrel (typo), instead of 10.3". PDF is correct. |
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MN, USA
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Posted: 1/18/2022 5:56:47 PM EDT
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Per the product listings for the 10.3 offerings it is 5.73 lbs (MK18 RIII) vs 5.88 lbs (MK18).
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Posted: 1/18/2022 6:27:23 PM EDT
[Last Edit: ngc1300]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By call_me_ski: Per the product listings for the 10.3 offerings it is 5.73 lbs (MK18 RIII) vs 5.88 lbs (MK18). Thanks, I didn't notice the weights on the new product page. Looks like Im keeping my RISII, works fine and the weight difference is negligible. |
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MN, USA
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Posted: 1/18/2022 6:50:38 PM EDT
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https://danieldefense.com/catalog-request
Need to input email to download catalag Most of the same details.. Goes into a landscape view so you may need to zoom out to see the whole thing.. |
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Posted: 1/18/2022 7:09:45 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ngc1300: Thanks, I didn't notice the weights on the new product page. Looks like Im kipping my RISII, works fine and the weight difference is negligible. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ngc1300: Originally Posted By call_me_ski: Per the product listings for the 10.3 offerings it is 5.73 lbs (MK18 RIII) vs 5.88 lbs (MK18). Thanks, I didn't notice the weights on the new product page. Looks like Im kipping my RISII, works fine and the weight difference is negligible. That doesn't tell you the exact difference unless all of the other parts are identical. A few ounces is all I would expect though. |
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Posted: 1/18/2022 7:45:38 PM EDT
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Looks like a winner to me. Ambi controls, an improved rail. I noticed then went back to a six bolt system like the older rails and the RIS II. What is there not to like?
Now if they can clone a Haenel or HK 416, that would be mighty awesome  
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USA
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Posted: 1/18/2022 8:52:25 PM EDT
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Those are beautiful. The RIS II is nothing more than nastalgia at this point.
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Posted: 1/18/2022 10:04:32 PM EDT
[#15]
Looks like they are only going to sell them as complete rifles.
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Posted: 1/18/2022 10:11:01 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By pezboytate: Looks like they are only going to sell them as complete rifles. "For now" |
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USA
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Posted: 1/18/2022 10:11:57 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By pezboytate: Looks like they are only going to sell them as complete rifles. The official DD Reddit account commented the exact opposite. If you're talking about the ambi lower, though, that's a different story...I would hope that DD would sell them as stripped lowers, but seeing as how they don't even sell any stripped lowers now, I'm guessing nothing will change. |
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Posted: 1/18/2022 10:36:00 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By manticore: The official DD Reddit account commented the exact opposite. If you're talking about the ambi lower, though, that's a different story...I would hope that DD would sell them as stripped lowers, but seeing as how they don't even sell any stripped lowers now, I'm guessing nothing will change. Not any time soon going by their catalog at least. |
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Posted: 1/18/2022 11:22:34 PM EDT
[#19]
Good, now make one in 11.5 and 13.5.
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GBR
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Posted: 1/19/2022 1:41:54 PM EDT
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I’ll buy one in black at 12.5” would fit my 13.9” barrel I need a rail for.
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GA, USA
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Posted: 1/19/2022 7:28:39 PM EDT
[#21]
Have they given anything concrete on release dates other than just spring?
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Posted: 1/19/2022 8:27:08 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Silverww: Have they given anything concrete on release dates other than just spring? One video said April |
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MN, USA
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Posted: 1/20/2022 11:48:15 PM EDT
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Personally, think they should have skip the 10.5” rail and went with a 15” rail that covered the 16” mid length barrel better like the V7 line is.
I would love to see a 12” FSP version.. when I think of the RIS II I tend to think of the FSP version. Doubt it will sell very well though. Wait and see what lengths they offer down the road. |
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Posted: 1/21/2022 10:06:25 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By P51D_katydid: Personally, think they should have skip the 10.5” rail and went with a 15” rail that covered the 16” mid length barrel better like the V7 line is. I would love to see a 12” FSP version.. when I think of the RIS II I tend to think of the FSP version. Doubt it will sell very well though. Wait and see what lengths they offer down the road. They are obviously making a 10.5" to duplicate the 11.5" URG-I. I agree with the previous posters that a 13.9" or whatever would be better for the M4A1. However, people would complain that it's too heavy. And I like that the 12.6" RIII will be compatible with rifle length FSBs (even if I'm the only person that will use it for that purpose). As far as a 15.4" version for 16" barrels. I would like that but I doubt it will happen. |
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OH, USA
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Posted: 1/22/2022 7:26:48 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By StowaNewb: Those are beautiful. The RIS II is nothing more than nastalgia at this point. False. I prefer quad rails. Daniel Defense has no issue selling MK18 and M4A1 rifles with them either. |
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GA, USA
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Posted: 1/23/2022 1:15:59 AM EDT
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While the release of the RISIII is much anticipated by a lot of us, it doesn't invalidate the RISII in any way.
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Posted: 1/24/2022 9:48:52 AM EDT
[#27]
9.5" for 10.3" barrels
10.5" for 11.5" barrels 12.5" for 14.5" barrels as well as anything with a rifle length gas system like a MK12 EXACT same bolt up plate and barrel nut RIS II Lower Rails (M1913) can be installed on RIS III body if you want to. M203 Compatible just like legacy RIS II Handguards. M320 Compatibility w/ our adaptors (MIL only at this point) Only available on complete rifles for starters but will be sold separately later on in the year. All Lengths. Black and Brown. S/F Joe |
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Posted: 1/24/2022 10:09:18 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Marler5811: 9.5" for 10.3" barrels 10.5" for 11.5" barrels 12.5" for 14.5" barrels as well as anything with a rifle length gas system like a MK12 EXACT same bolt up plate and barrel nut RIS II Lower Rails (M1913) can be installed on RIS III body if you want to. M203 Compatible just like legacy RIS II Handguards. M320 Compatibility w/ our adaptors (MIL only at this point) Only available on complete rifles for starters but will be sold separately later on in the year. All Lengths. Black and Brown. S/F Joe Thanks. I'm assuming they fit over the Mk12 gas block? |
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Posted: 1/24/2022 2:36:10 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Marler5811: 9.5" for 10.3" barrels 10.5" for 11.5" barrels 12.5" for 14.5" barrels as well as anything with a rifle length gas system like a MK12 EXACT same bolt up plate and barrel nut RIS II Lower Rails (M1913) can be installed on RIS III body if you want to. M203 Compatible just like legacy RIS II Handguards. M320 Compatibility w/ our adaptors (MIL only at this point) Only available on complete rifles for starters but will be sold separately later on in the year. All Lengths. Black and Brown. S/F Joe Will the lower rails be available separately? |
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Posted: 1/24/2022 4:54:52 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By pezboytate: Thanks. I'm assuming they fit over the Mk12 gas block? Yup! |
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USA
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Posted: 1/25/2022 1:41:47 AM EDT
[#31]
Looks like I've gotta eat crow for a comment that I made in the other topic from last summer:
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By VigilantPanda15: From a commercial market perspective: Considering that DD pretty much doesn't sell any rails that use 6-bolt attachment systems anymore (other than the RIS II), I imagine it'd be kinda hard for them to justify putting it into production for the civilian market when they've already got the MFR series as their flagship M-LOK rails. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By VigilantPanda15: From a commercial market perspective: Considering that DD pretty much doesn't sell any rails that use 6-bolt attachment systems anymore (other than the RIS II), I imagine it'd be kinda hard for them to justify putting it into production for the civilian market when they've already got the MFR series as their flagship M-LOK rails.  Originally Posted By manticore: This is somewhat disappointing. I was hoping DD would follow the newer trend of having the handguard run the length of the barrel, almost flush with the muzzle device. I was never a fan of how much of the barrel was exposed on an old 12.25" RIS II with a 14.5" barrel. It always looked much better with a 13.7" or 13.9" barrel, imo. Ideally, I would have liked a 13" length for 13.9" barrels and a 13.5" length for 14.5" barrels. Also, 16" barrels are still super popular and DD is leaving those out in the cold with no 15" handguard. As much as I like the look of Geissele's 13.5" MK16 rails, I've never minded that the M4A1 RIS II doesn't go to the end of the barrel - and it's not really rail space that I've ever needed, anyway. (I guess that a longer sight picture with a front sight would be nice, but it's not essential when it's already a full 12" away from the optic, and I also wouldn't run a vert grip or AFG that far out.) I think that if DD had gone with a longer M4A1 RIS III, it would have undermined the design goal of maximizing commonality of parts/dimensions with the RIS II - especially if they're hoping to pursue military contracts. Agree that this shouldn't have deterred them from offering a 15" version for the 16" DD4, though. |
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Posted: 1/25/2022 9:39:06 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By pezboytate: Will the lower rails be available separately? Not sure about that, to be honest. |
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USA
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Posted: 1/25/2022 6:59:50 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Marler5811: Yup! Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Marler5811: Originally Posted By pezboytate: Thanks. I'm assuming they fit over the Mk12 gas block? Yup! What will the barrel profile be and will mid length gas be available on the 14.5”? Thanks! |
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Posted: 1/26/2022 11:01:21 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By BNW: What will the barrel profile be and will mid length gas be available on the 14.5”? Thanks! Current Spec is a 14.5" M4 Profile, Carbine Length Gas System. |
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USA
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Posted: 1/27/2022 5:02:07 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Marler5811: Current Spec is a 14.5" M4 Profile, Carbine Length Gas System. Thanks |
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Posted: 1/27/2022 5:18:51 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By BNW: Thanks It is possible that the spec will be updated to a Mid-Length. |
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MN, USA
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Posted: 1/28/2022 12:52:23 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Marler5811: It is possible that the spec will be updated to a Mid-Length.  Attached File |
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Posted: 1/28/2022 1:05:06 PM EDT
[Last Edit: pezboytate]
[#38]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Marler5811: It is possible that the spec will be updated to a Mid-Length. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Marler5811: Originally Posted By BNW: Thanks It is possible that the spec will be updated to a Mid-Length. Could you verify if an M203 will fit with a mid length gas system and your low profile pinned gas block? My mock up looks like the barrel retaining latch will be touching the bottom of the gas block, but should still work. Not sure about the hangers in the RIII or any other interference. Same for the M320 with your adapters. |
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Posted: 1/28/2022 1:20:13 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Marler5811: It is possible that the spec will be updated to a Mid-Length. Needs to be a thing |
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USA
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Posted: 1/29/2022 12:55:33 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Marler5811: It is possible that the spec will be updated to a Mid-Length. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Marler5811: Originally Posted By BNW: Thanks It is possible that the spec will be updated to a Mid-Length.  Attached File |
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Posted: 1/29/2022 3:26:15 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Marler5811]
[#41]
Originally Posted By pezboytate: Could you verify if an M203 will fit with a mid length gas system and your low profile pinned gas block? My mock up looks like the barrel retaining latch will be touching the bottom of the gas block, but should still work. Not sure about the hangers in the RIII or any other interference. Same for the M320 with your adapters. Our engineers says it works perfectly fine. |
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Posted: 1/29/2022 3:26:56 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By wissota4: Needs to be a thing Agreed. And it most likely will be a thing. I'll update this thread once it's been confirmed. |
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TX, USA
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Posted: 1/29/2022 4:25:08 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By manticore: This is somewhat disappointing. I was hoping DD would follow the newer trend of having the handguard run the length of the barrel, almost flush with the muzzle device. I was never a fan of how much of the barrel was exposed on an old 12.25" RIS II with a 14.5" barrel. It always looked much better with a 13.7" or 13.9" barrel, imo. Ideally, I would have liked a 13" length for 13.9" barrels and a 13.5" length for 14.5" barrels. Also, 16" barrels are still super popular and DD is leaving those out in the cold with no 15" handguard. Civilians buying these is just an extra. These are most certainly being made for sof and are going to be lengths for the barrels they use. |
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Posted: 1/29/2022 4:30:58 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Marler5811: Our engineers says it works perfectly fine. Thanks! |
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Posted: 1/29/2022 4:40:35 PM EDT
[Last Edit: brodband8]
[#45]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Marler5811: RIS II Lower Rails (M1913) can be installed on RIS III body if you want to. M203 Compatible just like legacy RIS II Handguards. M320 Compatibility w/ our adaptors (MIL only at this point) Only available on complete rifles for starters but will be sold separately later on in the year. All Lengths. Black and Brown. S/F Joe Is this the same MIL only M320 adapter?  Attached File Attached File |
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USA
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Posted: 1/30/2022 3:16:24 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By M4A1SOPMOD: Civilians buying these is just an extra. These are most certainly being made for sof and are going to be lengths for the barrels they use. Well, that didn't stop Geissele from making a 13.5" MK16 rail for the URGI's with 14.5" barrels. |
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Posted: 1/31/2022 9:10:56 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By brodband8: Is this the same MIL only M320 adapter? https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/283538/104760103_270833253999212_87455054972034-2259088.JPG https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/283538/104820129_260957951996693_23585611790907-2259100.JPG Yep. Those are them! |
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Posted: 2/4/2022 12:25:14 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Marler5811: It is possible that the spec will be updated to a Mid-Length. Confirmed - M4A1 RIII Rifles will have a 14.5" Gov Mid Barrel. You're welcome! S/F Joe |
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USA
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Posted: 2/5/2022 12:46:30 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Marler5811: Confirmed - M4A1 RIII Rifles will have a 14.5" Gov Mid Barrel. You're welcome! S/F Joe Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Marler5811: Originally Posted By Marler5811: It is possible that the spec will be updated to a Mid-Length. Confirmed - M4A1 RIII Rifles will have a 14.5" Gov Mid Barrel. You're welcome! S/F Joe  Attached File |
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Posted: 2/8/2022 9:18:46 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Marler5811: Confirmed - M4A1 RIII Rifles will have a 14.5" Gov Mid Barrel. You're welcome! S/F Joe Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Marler5811: Originally Posted By Marler5811: It is possible that the spec will be updated to a Mid-Length. Confirmed - M4A1 RIII Rifles will have a 14.5" Gov Mid Barrel. You're welcome! S/F Joe Thank you to the whole of DD for making this change! Any chance some of these will be available pinned and welded or will they all be sold as factory SBRs? |
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