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Posted: 2/13/2020 1:27:56 PM EDT
[Last Edit: JLA]
I am creating this thread to discuss the IRay Xmini MH25 thermal monocular. This is a unit that I am very excited about. There has been a gap in the industry for a compact, light-weight, helmet-mountable, 640 resolution thermal monocular that doesn't cost a fortune. Currently, the only mainstream options for helmet-mountable thermals are the FLIR Breach, Trijicon IR Patrol, and the Trijicon Skeet-IR.
As a hunter, the advantages of a compact, helmet-mountable thermal monocular cannot be overstated. The amount of objects that you are able to detect with a helmet-mounted thermal that you would otherwise miss when using just a weapon scope, or even a handheld scanner is staggering. Additionally, the ability to keep your eyes on a target at all times while moving is extremely helpful for safety, efficiency, and situational awareness. We recently received a couple of these units for testing and were extremely surprised and impressed by the image quality and performance of these units. We will continue to test these units and provide additional information here as we learn more. Manufacturer: IRay Technologies Model: IRay Xmini MH25 Resolution: 640x480 Pixel Pitch: 12 Micron Refresh Rate: 50hz Objective Lens: 25mm Field of View: 17.5x14 degrees Eye Relief: 12mm Detection Range: 973 Meters Battery Life: CR123A: Up to 1.5 hours, 16650 Up to 3 hours Weight: 9.25 Ounces (Without battery) Dimensions: 4.75x2.75x1.75 inches 
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Posted: 1/16/2020 2:51:15 PM EDT
[#1]
Rough cost?
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Posted: 1/16/2020 2:54:57 PM EDT
[#2]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By lilMAC25:
Rough cost? |
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ON, CAN
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Posted: 1/16/2020 2:57:26 PM EDT
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I’ll say, the capabilities are probably impressive and a good unit... but you putting it next to a Skeet makes it look like the Supervision.
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Posted: 1/16/2020 3:12:17 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Deltastone:
I’ll say, the capabilities are probably impressive and a good unit... but you putting it next to a Skeet makes it look like the Supervision. |
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Posted: 1/16/2020 3:50:06 PM EDT
[#5]
That looks very interesting! Thanks for the mini review/intro. Had not heard of this yet.
LOL @ Chinaskeet 
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TX, USA
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Posted: 1/16/2020 4:24:53 PM EDT
[#6]
I may have missed this, but what core does this use?
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Posted: 1/16/2020 4:31:53 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Demphna2:
I may have missed this, but what core does this use? |
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Posted: 1/16/2020 4:44:03 PM EDT
[#8]
Mum rail or built in dovetail?
External battery possible? |
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Posted: 1/16/2020 4:48:57 PM EDT
[#9]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By smeeg:
Mum rail or built in dovetail? External battery possible? |
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Posted: 1/16/2020 4:50:12 PM EDT
[#10]
Also has a red laser and a separate reticle you can zero to the laser.
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Posted: 1/16/2020 4:58:19 PM EDT
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Posted: 1/16/2020 5:19:24 PM EDT
[Last Edit: ThisWildAdventure]
[#12]
If you click on the video halfway down this page, and skip to 2:08, you can see what IRay's thermal cores are capable of:
Edit it's on YouTube too:  Failed To Load Title |
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Posted: 1/16/2020 5:23:01 PM EDT
[#13]
Looking forward to some videos
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PA, USA
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Posted: 1/16/2020 5:26:44 PM EDT
[#14]
Man if they could only squeeze onboard recording into that...
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Posted: 1/16/2020 5:35:18 PM EDT
[#15]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ThisWildAdventure:
If you click on the video halfway down this page, and skip to 2:08, you can see what IRay's thermal cores are capable of: https://iraytek.en.alibaba.com/company_profile.html?spm=a2700.icbuShop.88.32.1d4c1aa0D7rJaW 
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Posted: 1/16/2020 5:35:30 PM EDT
[#16]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Demphna2:
I may have missed this, but what core does this use? 
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Posted: 1/16/2020 5:39:01 PM EDT
[#17]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ThisWildAdventure:
If you click on the video halfway down this page, and skip to 2:08, you can see what IRay's thermal cores are capable of: https://iraytek.en.alibaba.com/company_profile.html?spm=a2700.icbuShop.88.32.1d4c1aa0D7rJaW |
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Posted: 1/16/2020 5:51:44 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Gthirteen: pretty crisp image there  Failed To Load Title |
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TX, USA
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Posted: 1/16/2020 6:21:22 PM EDT
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Ok fine. I'm getting one.
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Posted: 1/16/2020 7:15:41 PM EDT
[#20]
This has my attention
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Posted: 1/16/2020 7:42:14 PM EDT
[#21]
Very interested.
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Posted: 1/21/2020 5:46:03 PM EDT
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Posted: 1/21/2020 5:54:31 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By UNV:
https://cdn.ultimatenightvision.com/sliders/products/iray-mh25/iray-mh25-1-ed.jpg 
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Posted: 1/21/2020 8:19:00 PM EDT
[Last Edit: UNV_Rich]
[#24]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By fordkicksass: I take it that is the 25mm version? I am looking forward to some more though-the-lens shots MH25 on top, SkeetIR-X on bottom Cows at 150 Yards - White Hot 
Cows at 150 Yards - Black Hot 
Cows at 50 Yards - White Hot 
Cows at 50 Yards - Black Hot 
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Posted: 1/21/2020 8:26:07 PM EDT
[Last Edit: nmxdavenn]
[#25]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By UNV_Rich: Yes, 25mm. Here ya go! MH25 on top, SkeetIR-X on bottom Cows at 150 Yards - White Hot https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49422035012_6f467175c6_b.jpg Cows at 150 Yards - Black Hot https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49421811091_f28df457d0_b.jpg Cows at 50 Yards - White Hot https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49421348118_64606cd098_b.jpg Cows at 50 Yards - Black Hot https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49422036317_fd655237b8_b.jpg |
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Posted: 1/21/2020 8:45:46 PM EDT
[#26]
Those pics look amazing. The main question now would be the reliability/durability. I’m know your vetting it. What kind of warranty will it have?
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Posted: 1/21/2020 9:28:39 PM EDT
[#27]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By will-1:
Those pics look amazing. The main question now would be the reliability/durability. I'm know your vetting it. What kind of warranty will it have? |
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IN, USA
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Posted: 1/22/2020 12:04:19 AM EDT
[#28]
Now if it can pull clip-on duty like the SkeetIR-x, then I’m sold.
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TX, USA
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Posted: 1/22/2020 9:22:21 AM EDT
[#29]
Oh my damn....
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Posted: 1/22/2020 9:50:46 AM EDT
[#30]
looks impressive. will any of the models have reticles for use as a clip on, or are they all strictly handheld units? I am still looking for something to fill the gap my old Q14 left, where its primarily a handheld, but can be used as a clip on in a pinch. I know there are other options, but they are all ~7k, which I just can't justify for as sparingly as I use my thermal.
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Posted: 1/22/2020 10:28:11 AM EDT
[Last Edit: UNV_Rich]
[#31]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By chosos:
looks impressive. will any of the models have reticles for use as a clip on, or are they all strictly handheld units? I am still looking for something to fill the gap my old Q14 left, where its primarily a handheld, but can be used as a clip on in a pinch. I know there are other options, but they are all ~7k, which I just can't justify for as sparingly as I use my thermal. As far as weapon mounting capability, it does have an adjustable reticle and can physically be mounted using existing hardware (M-Clips, Wilcox Flip-to-Side), but IRay stated that it wasn't specifically designed to withstand weapon recoil and that it would likely shut off during shooting. We will get some further clarification on this and what it will mean as far as warranty goes. Of course I will do some mag dumps with various calibers and see how it holds up. Aside from the recoil rating, the short eye relief and slight mounting offset are issues that would need to be addressed to make it suitable for use as a weapon sight. 
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Posted: 1/22/2020 11:20:39 AM EDT
[#32]
If manufacturing takes place in China, how will warranty issues be handled? Looks cool, when will they be available on open market?
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Posted: 1/22/2020 11:25:18 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Tmm1270:
If manufacturing takes place in China, how will warranty issues be handled? Looks cool, when will they be available on open market? |
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Posted: 1/22/2020 11:25:21 AM EDT
[#34]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Tmm1270:
If manufacturing takes place in China, how will warranty issues be handled? Looks cool, when will they be available on open market? |
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Posted: 1/22/2020 12:20:00 PM EDT
[#35]
Color palettes and picture-in-picture:
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Posted: 1/22/2020 12:32:44 PM EDT
[#36]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By UNV_Rich:
Color palettes and picture-in-picture: https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49424502168_407bc39cff_c.jpg https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49424971126_d4eb231d2e_c.jpg https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49424502658_ac078b9689_c.jpg https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49425198332_5a784d8987_c.jpg |
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Posted: 1/22/2020 2:01:22 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By UNV_Rich: When you say clip-on I assume you mean use as a weapon sight? It is definitely not a collimated pass-through device that can be mounted in front of a day optic. As far as weapon mounting capability, it does have an adjustable reticle and can physically be mounted using existing hardware (M-Clips, Wilcox Flip-to-Side), but IRay stated that it wasn't specifically designed to withstand weapon recoil and that it would likely shut off during shooting. We will get some further clarification on this and what it will mean as far as warranty goes. Of course I will do some mag dumps with various calibers and see how it holds up. Aside from the recoil rating, the short eye relief and slight mounting offset are issues that would need to be addressed to make it suitable for use as a weapon sight. https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49424055908_7970a7d19a_c.jpg |
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Posted: 1/22/2020 4:33:19 PM EDT
[#38]
The black hot 150 yard photos above from both units look like black and white photos.
very nice. It appears to have instalert also. I wonder how it's going to look under the hot muggy summertime conditions? Probably the same as everybody else's? |
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Posted: 1/22/2020 4:57:32 PM EDT
[#39]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Wildfowler:
The black hot 150 yard photos above from both units look like black and white photos. very nice. It appears to have instalert also. I wonder how it's going to look under the hot muggy summertime conditions? Probably the same as everybody else's? |
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Posted: 1/22/2020 5:21:04 PM EDT
[#40]
Never had a thermal with palettes so I guess I have always viewed them as fluff. So to those that have thermals with color palettes do you really use them in the field or are they just an initial wow that fall into the abyss?
I would rather just see B/W and have them put whatever resources from the palettes into making it a clip-on. |
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Posted: 1/22/2020 5:48:20 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Leftover_Salmon]
[#41]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By CTM1:
Never had a thermal with palettes so I guess I have always viewed them as fluff. So to those that have thermals with color palettes do you really use them in the field or are they just an initial wow that fall into the abyss? I would rather just see B/W and have them put whatever resources from the palettes into making it a clip-on. Edit to add. I don't think color palettes and clip-on capability are a 1:1 as far as work goes. Probably stupid easy to add in the software to support color palettes. Where as matching the sensor input to screen output seems like it would involve a lot more black magic. |
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Posted: 1/22/2020 6:11:35 PM EDT
[#42]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By CTM1:to those that have thermals with color palettes do you really use them in the field or are they just an initial wow that fall into the abyss? |
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Posted: 1/22/2020 6:43:14 PM EDT
[#43]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By CTM1:
Never had a thermal with palettes so I guess I have always viewed them as fluff. So to those that have thermals with color palettes do you really use them in the field or are they just an initial wow that fall into the abyss? I would rather just see B/W and have them put whatever resources from the palettes into making it a clip-on. |
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Posted: 1/22/2020 7:07:35 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Wildfowler]
[#44]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By CTM1:
Never had a thermal with palettes so I guess I have always viewed them as fluff. So to those that have thermals with color palettes do you really use them in the field or are they just an initial wow that fall into the abyss? I would rather just see B/W and have them put whatever resources from the palettes into making it a clip-on. Similar to that last color palette picture shown above although that seems to be a white hot base? I never use the Magic mushroom colors |
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Posted: 1/23/2020 12:09:47 AM EDT
[#45]
Very nice! I'll have to try to find some time to check them out!
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USA
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Posted: 1/23/2020 1:45:35 PM EDT
[#46]
That's actually very interesting for non ITAR ...
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Posted: 2/2/2020 1:24:09 PM EDT
[#47]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By will-1:
Yes. I use outdoor alert mode almost exclusively on my PTS233. I find it works awesome for my location especially this time of year. I use outdoor alert, black hot, & white hot in that order of preference. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By will-1:
Originally Posted By CTM1:
Never had a thermal with palettes so I guess I have always viewed them as fluff. So to those that have thermals with color palettes do you really use them in the field or are they just an initial wow that fall into the abyss? I would rather just see B/W and have them put whatever resources from the palettes into making it a clip-on. |
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TX, USA
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Posted: 2/2/2020 4:10:06 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Hard_ware]
[#48]
Hope it stays non ITAR with cross hairs.
The protected 16650 won’t output the 2500mah rated. But the non protected bare cell will if charged to the 4.35v rating. These are Sanyo UR16650ZTA cells ($6.25 ea) inside, Orbtronic or the keep power brands use these. The bare cells performed better so I removed the protection pcb and strip going to +. Then re-shrink wrapped them. Been using them for years in IR Hunter & Patrol units. This unit with a 1x unity view and light weight will be the replacement for my patrol if they perform as stated. The patrol helmet mounted is a heavy beast. |
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Posted: 2/2/2020 6:05:44 PM EDT
[#49]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By St1650:
That's actually very interesting for non ITAR ... Just want to be 100% clear on this - the MH25 is ITAR controlled. |
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Posted: 2/2/2020 6:17:11 PM EDT
[#50]
This looks like a great item.
I may have one sold one for you to a pal. How does the magnification and the view actually compare with PVS-14 and MUM when one is on each eye? |
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