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Posted: 10/10/2003 5:48:46 PM EDT
I have heard differing points of view regarding this.

What’s the scoop?

Was this a production thing, experimental or…


Link Posted: 10/10/2003 6:07:56 PM EDT
[#1]
You'd be amazed by what one can do with Adobe's software.
B9
Link Posted: 10/10/2003 6:22:25 PM EDT
[#2]
Not again...
Link Posted: 10/10/2003 6:37:57 PM EDT
[#3]
You, sir, have been [owned]  by ADOBE PHOTOSHOP.

You will NEVER live it down.

CJ
Link Posted: 10/10/2003 7:19:34 PM EDT
[#4]
Quoted:
I have heard differing points of view regarding this.

What’s the scoop?

Was this a production thing, experimental or…
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NEWBIE ALERT! Next thig you know he'll be asking "What gun did Al P. use in Heat?"

The picture is a joke, somebody did that in Photoshop a while back.

Av.
Link Posted: 10/10/2003 7:22:45 PM EDT
[#5]
I'm beginning to think some members are really robots that are programmed to post a recurring thread.

oh yeah... Make mine a HASBRO!
Link Posted: 10/10/2003 7:29:08 PM EDT
[#6]
BWWAAHAHAHAHAHA!
[IMG]http://smilies.jeeptalk.org/otn/other/11doh.gif[/IMG]
Link Posted: 10/10/2003 8:20:48 PM EDT
[#7]
Quoted:
The picture is a joke, somebody did that in Photoshop a while back.
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Didn’t know, that’s why I posted it.

Thanks for the input.

Best regards, J
Link Posted: 10/10/2003 8:55:01 PM EDT
[#8]
He asked a valid question.  Newbie???  Get over it.
Link Posted: 10/10/2003 9:47:55 PM EDT
[#9]
Stand down soldiers !!!! The pic is genuine.  As proof, here is a real pic (no photoshop involved) of me with my Mattel M16 back in my Viet Nam days.  Carry on soldiers.

[img]http://pic2.picturetrail.com/VOL33/1216349/2303971/29789246.jpg[/img]

Link Posted: 10/10/2003 10:23:47 PM EDT
[#10]
I'm gonna have to call BS G35. How do pictures go "BRRRAP!!! BRRRAP!!!

?
Link Posted: 10/11/2003 7:57:28 AM EDT
[#11]
Mattel sure was involved with the M16. Only the handguard was made by them for a short while.
Link Posted: 10/11/2003 8:08:10 AM EDT
[#12]
[url]http://www.snopes.com/military/m16.htm[/url]
Link Posted: 10/11/2003 8:43:43 PM EDT
[#13]
Quoted:
Mattel sure was involved with the M16. Only the handguard was made by them for a short while.
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Ummmm... NO!

Urban legend. See the above link.

Av.
Link Posted: 10/11/2003 8:49:37 PM EDT
[#14]
I saw an M-16 Marauder for sale on e-bay a few weeks ago. I wanted it for my kid, but it ended up selling for $75.99. A little too much for my taste.
Link Posted: 10/11/2003 9:01:18 PM EDT
[#15]
go easy on the newbs guys, you too were once newbies ya know.....or unless some of you already knew it all to begin with.....nah!
Link Posted: 10/11/2003 10:32:24 PM EDT
[#16]


NEWBIE ALERT! Next thig you know he'll be asking "What gun did Al P. use in Heat?"
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What gun [i]did[/i] Pacino use in Heat?

I've always wondered [:)]
Link Posted: 10/11/2003 10:46:33 PM EDT
[#17]
[b]"with "proof" offered in the additional detail of soldier's spotting M-16 handgrips embossed with the Mattel logo."[/b]


My uncle, a preacher, swears it. Seen him earlier this year and he stands by his story.

He was a Marine, maybe only they got the special weapons.[;D]
Link Posted: 10/11/2003 11:04:52 PM EDT
[#18]
Quoted:


NEWBIE ALERT! Next thig you know he'll be asking "What gun did Al P. use in Heat?"
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What gun [i]did[/i] Pacino use in Heat?

I've always wondered [:)]
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"AR Discussions", but... [:D]

[img]http://movieweb.com/movie/heat/bw2.jpg[/img]

[img]http://movieweb.com/movie/heat/bw3.jpg[/img]

[img]http://movieweb.com/movie/heat/heat1s.jpg[/img]

[img]http://movieweb.com/movie/heat/heat0.jpg[/img]

[img]http://movieweb.com/movie/heat/heat7.jpg[/img]
Link Posted: 10/11/2003 11:23:45 PM EDT
[#19]
Isn’t Pacino’s weapon an FNC?
Link Posted: 10/12/2003 4:17:39 AM EDT
[#20]
Don't know, but Wilson posted some good pictures. I had done forgot about those movies.
Link Posted: 10/12/2003 4:30:26 AM EDT
[#21]
"Say Hello To My Little Friend"

Oh sorry, wrong movie. [:D]
Link Posted: 10/12/2003 5:39:07 AM EDT
[#22]
Can't we just tack the Mattell info and the Heat question?
Link Posted: 10/12/2003 12:05:45 PM EDT
[#23]
Quoted:
go easy on the newbs guys, you too were once newbies ya know.....
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I'm sure he knows everyone is just phukin' around. [?]
The first time I ever heard the rumor, my first thought was
"Hey, why not? Guess it makes sense... kinda".
Link Posted: 10/15/2003 5:17:45 AM EDT
[#24]
You can tell it's Mattel is noisy as hell!  [;D]
Link Posted: 10/15/2003 5:37:01 AM EDT
[#25]
Quoted:
Isn’t Pacino’s weapon an FNC?
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[image]http://world.guns.ru/assault/fn-fnc.jpg[/image]
Link Posted: 1/7/2004 6:05:32 AM EDT
[#26]
Quoted:
My uncle, a preacher, swears it. Seen him earlier this year and he stands by his story.
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Had a WWII vet tell me that they used the German ammo in their Garands when they ran out of -06.


[rolleyes]
Link Posted: 1/7/2004 6:53:19 AM EDT
[#27]
To all you guys that are not Vietnam veterans and are having a good laugh over someone believing the Mattel M16 receiver is the real deal, you would be amazed to know the unbelievable manufacturer stamps on some of our M-16s. Mine was a GM and I remember laughing at a Whirlpool or Maytag, can't remember which. But the thing is that there were enough ridiculous stamps to make me almost believe anything.
Link Posted: 1/7/2004 7:21:20 AM EDT
[#28]
When I went in to pick up my SEBR my FFL dealer started talking about how he used to carry a Mattel M16 in Nam and he was serious about it.
Link Posted: 1/7/2004 8:58:32 AM EDT
[#29]
Not this again... [:D]
Link Posted: 1/7/2004 9:55:09 AM EDT
[#30]
That settles it. After I get my lower engraved "AUTO", see this thread:

http://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=3&f=118&t=177492

I am also going to get it engraved "Mattel"
Link Posted: 1/7/2004 10:04:03 AM EDT
[#31]
Can so one tell me a little about this movie
[b]HEAT[/b]

Did it have guns ?






[;d]
Link Posted: 1/7/2004 10:56:33 AM EDT
[#32]
You've gotta be kidding, Heat has the best gunfight ever filmed.  Imagine movie guns sounding like real guns...and Pacino used a FNC.
Link Posted: 1/7/2004 11:12:40 AM EDT
[#33]
Quoted:
Not this again... [:D]
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Sorry Wilson, it's the first of the year, figured I'd get this topic out of the way early.
Link Posted: 1/7/2004 12:20:18 PM EDT
[#34]
Quoted:
[b]"with "proof" offered in the additional detail of soldier's spotting M-16 handgrips embossed with the Mattel logo."[/b]


My uncle, a preacher, swears it. Seen him earlier this year and he stands by his story.

He was a Marine, maybe only they got the special weapons.[;D]
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I personally have never seen handguards with any manufacturer logos on any of the M16A1's that I've been issued, or A2's and M4's for that matter.


Chris
Link Posted: 1/7/2004 12:57:39 PM EDT
[#35]
Quoted:
To all you guys that are not Vietnam veterans and are having a good laugh over someone believing the Mattel M16 receiver is the real deal, you would be amazed to know the unbelievable manufacturer stamps on some of our M-16s. Mine was a GM and I remember laughing at a Whirlpool or Maytag, can't remember which. But the thing is that there were enough ridiculous stamps to make me almost believe anything.
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My pop actually has a M2 carbine with some parts on it made by general motors. Stamped right on the barrel. Huh, go figure.
Link Posted: 1/7/2004 1:23:05 PM EDT
[#36]
Quoted:
Quoted:
To all you guys that are not Vietnam veterans and are having a good laugh over someone believing the Mattel M16 receiver is the real deal, you would be amazed to know the unbelievable manufacturer stamps on some of our M-16s. Mine was a GM and I remember laughing at a Whirlpool or Maytag, can't remember which. But the thing is that there were enough ridiculous stamps to make me almost believe anything.
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My pop actually has a M2 carbine with some parts on it made by general motors. Stamped right on the barrel. Huh, go figure.
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Well, that's because the Inland division of G.M. was the largest producer of M1 Carbines in WWII.  Mine's got the same barrel stamp.  They were also made by IBM, Underwood, Saginaw, and the Rock-Ola jukebox company, among others.  

However, AR's were not made by Whirlpool, Maytag, G.M., or Mattel.  I assume - at least I desperately hope - that Robert-Rockler was either kidding about seeing AR's with those marks, or was referring to AR's that had been altered for humorous purposes.  
Link Posted: 1/7/2004 1:51:10 PM EDT
[#37]
Quoted:
However, AR's were not made by Whirlpool, Maytag, G.M., or Mattel.  
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Actually GM did make some. They are stamped

Hydra Matic Div.
G.M. Corp
U.S.A.
Link Posted: 1/7/2004 2:19:14 PM EDT
[#38]
Personally,  I think the ultimate cool factor for the various maker's stamps is IBM.

International Business Machines.

Pretty appropriate, I think!   What could be more businesslike than a battle rifle?

1911s were made by a bunch of companies, too.  I can't remember the whole list, but at least one company famous for making typewriters made them, among the usual firearms manufacturers.   Was it Smith-Corona, or Olivetti, or....???

When you're a government in need a lot of guns in a hurry, you get them made by anybody who can deliver.  

CJ
Link Posted: 1/7/2004 2:31:47 PM EDT
[#39]
Remington Rand is the typewriter manufacturer that you're thinking of cmj.  Union Switch & Signal (railroad equipment) also made 1911a1 pistols as did Singer Sewing Machine Co.

Link Posted: 1/7/2004 2:32:14 PM EDT
[#40]
When I carried M1911A1's for Uncle Sugar I had some made by Ithaca and Remington -Rand.
Ive'seen M-2's made By AC Delco Spark Plug and Carried M-3 and M3A1 Grease Gun's made By GM GuideLamp Division. lot a weird Shit out there.
Link Posted: 1/7/2004 2:56:48 PM EDT
[#41]
Quoted:
Quoted:
However, AR's were not made by Whirlpool, Maytag, G.M., or Mattel.  
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Actually GM did make some. They are stamped

Hydra Matic Div.
G.M. Corp
U.S.A.
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Damn Straight! The first M16 ever issued to me (in BCT) was stamped "mfg by Hydramatic transmission division of General Motors".


Link Posted: 1/7/2004 3:37:31 PM EDT
[#42]
Quoted:
You've gotta be kidding, Heat has the best gunfight ever filmed.  Imagine movie guns sounding like real guns...and Pacino used a FNC.
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If you're talking about the gunfight after the bankrobbery, I disagree.  Maybe it's because I saw Saving Private Ryan and We Were Soldiers before I saw Heat, and maybe it's because there's only one reload the whole fight and excessive amounts of full-auto, but I didn't think it was all that good.
Link Posted: 1/7/2004 4:36:29 PM EDT
[#43]
Quoted:
Don't know, but Wilson posted some good pictures.
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[img]http://ian.clendaniel.net/car/redx.gif[/img]
Link Posted: 1/7/2004 5:40:04 PM EDT
[#44]
Quoted:
Quoted:
Quoted:
However, AR's were not made by Whirlpool, Maytag, G.M., or Mattel.  
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Actually GM did make some. They are stamped

Hydra Matic Div.
G.M. Corp
U.S.A.
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Damn Straight! The first M16 ever issued to me (in BCT) was stamped "mfg by Hydramatic transmission division of General Motors".
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I'm more than happy to believe that I'm wrong, it's just that I've never heard of that before.  Anyone got a pic of an AR or M16 with those kind of markings?  
Link Posted: 1/7/2004 5:55:21 PM EDT
[#45]
I thought only camo wearing, ex-seal, gun show losers were issued the Mattel version?

Edited to add:

But its top secret and they really can't talk about it...
Link Posted: 1/7/2004 6:27:04 PM EDT
[#46]
Quoted:
Stand down soldiers !!!! The pic is genuine.  As proof, here is a real pic (no photoshop involved) of me with my Mattel M16 back in my Viet Nam days.  Carry on soldiers.

[url]http://pic2.picturetrail.com/VOL33/1216349/2303971/29789246.jpg[/url]

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Can you imagine the flak from some company marketing like that today?
Link Posted: 1/7/2004 6:31:07 PM EDT
[#47]
My Dad carried a Singer M16 in 1970.
Link Posted: 1/7/2004 6:32:03 PM EDT
[#48]
eswanson wrote...

[/quote]"However, AR's were not made by Whirlpool, Maytag, G.M., or Mattel.  I assume - at least I desperately hope - that Robert-Rockler was either kidding about seeing AR's with those marks, or was referring to AR's that had been altered for humorous purposes."  [/quote]

eswanson,  I have to say no I was not kidding. It has been 36 years but how can a guy forget that he carried a rifle that was manufactured by General Motors? Now, the Whirlpool/Maytag rifle that a friend carried was also the real deal and I am not positive that it was one of those names but it was definitely manufactured by a washing machine company. You need to remember that the green machine was in full swing in those days and a lot of pork barrel contracts for weapons and ammunition were being awarded by Congressmen as payola for political contributions.

Link Posted: 1/7/2004 7:09:24 PM EDT
[#49]
The mattel rumour has been around for a pretty good while.  I got into a discussion about this with a nimrod friend of a friend who thought he knew something.  I was pretty sure that Mattel had never been involved with production of the m-16, so i bet him 50 bucks and wrote a letter to Colt Firearms public relations department.  About 10 weeks later I received a reply from Colt stating emphatically that Colt Firearms and Mattel had never had any sort of business association whatsoever.  There was also a 3-4 page sheet with a brief history of Colt and the m-16 and some other Colt brochures.  According to the P.R. person at Colt, this is a topic that they deal with fairly often.  Needless to say, I won 50 bucks.

Dave
Link Posted: 1/7/2004 7:12:20 PM EDT
[#50]
M16A1's were made for the US Govt by only three(3) companies

1.) Colt 1-9mil range
2.)Hydra-Matic Division of GM 3mil range
3.) Harrington & Richardson 2mil range

Anyone that tells you they carried, used or saw an M16, M16A1 or XM177 series made by anyone else while in the US Military is full of shit.

Mattel never made any M16's or any M16 parts. A1 parts are not marked with any companies  names or codes other than molding codes(A,B,C,D)

The Marauder was the only M16 they ever made.
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