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Posted: 3/5/2005 10:54:22 AM EDT
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+1
I tried this at the recommendation of Quietshooter at a ARFCOM get together last year and I'm amazed. All of my collapsible stocks now have 9mm buffers. |
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Posted: 3/5/2005 11:03:37 AM EDT
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Is there a down-side to heavier buffers?
Sam |
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Posted: 3/5/2005 11:05:26 AM EDT
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I heard this as well from a trusted source. I may have to run one in my little carbine to try it out.
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Posted: 3/5/2005 11:06:51 AM EDT
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if there IS... i havent found it yet. I am going to just make this statement... "The regular buffer, and the H buffer are a waste of your time and money, you should just buy the 9mm buffer and be done with it." period. S |
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Posted: 3/5/2005 12:02:16 PM EDT
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Maybe I should try this in my Cav lower with the carbine length buffer spring....
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Posted: 3/5/2005 12:12:54 PM EDT
[#6]
Im running one in my M16, and I still have some issues with bolt bounce
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Posted: 3/5/2005 12:42:33 PM EDT
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My brother uses his 9mm buffer in his M16 when he uses the 9mm and 5.56 uppers. He never changes it.
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Posted: 3/5/2005 1:07:15 PM EDT
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+1 |
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Posted: 3/5/2005 1:42:14 PM EDT
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where is the best place to get the 9mm buffer?
thanks |
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Posted: 3/5/2005 1:49:39 PM EDT
[#10]
Taggage for later consumption....
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Posted: 3/5/2005 1:59:06 PM EDT
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FYI
Approximate weights: 9mm/tungsten CAR buffer 5.5 oz. Rifle buffer 5.2 oz. H2 buffer is 4.6 oz. H buffer is 3.8 oz. Standard CAR 2.9 oz. I picked up a 9mm/tungsten CAR buffer from Eaglefirearms a while back. I was expecting to receive a 2-pc 9mm type buffer, but instead, I was extra pleased to get a 1-piece solid tungsten buffer (1 piece seems to make more sense to me if running in a 5.56 rifle...anyway). I run the tungsten buffer in my magpul-stocked carbine and an "H2" buffer in my CMT 6-pos stocked carbine. Both have 14.5" carbine barrels on them, but I will be putting 16" "giffmann-special" midlength barrels on them as soon as they arrive from the group buy.
Click here for CMMG's one...here for ADCO's one...here for Eaglefirearms's one... and/or I am sure you could contact Grant at G&R Tactical or Paul at Bravo Company to get one too.  |
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Posted: 3/5/2005 2:05:54 PM EDT
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tag because I heard light buffers kill puppies
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Posted: 3/5/2005 2:14:01 PM EDT
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Never had a problem with running H buffers in all 5.56 carbines.
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Posted: 3/5/2005 2:14:31 PM EDT
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Whats with the price difference between the RRA 9mm and the CMMG Tungsten?
I plead total ignorance.
I dont believe anyone in this thread said they had a problem with H-buffers. |
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Posted: 3/5/2005 2:16:34 PM EDT
[#15]
About $30 difference . !!??
ETA thats a big difference. |
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Posted: 3/5/2005 2:16:59 PM EDT
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Yeah, I wasn't going to mention that... 
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Posted: 3/5/2005 2:18:49 PM EDT
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Yes......... When running full-auto, the heavier weight will slow the rifle down and do away with the possibility of "bolt bounce". Example - My MAC 11-9 bolt weighs same as 9mm AR/M16 bolt, the MAC runs 1100+, the M16, not as much, as it has extra 3.8-5.1oz of buffer out back..... My MAC currently has an extra 12.8oz currently out back, fires slow, can pull singles easily, rate of fire is similar or slower than Uzi. I currently run a 7oz rifle buffer in my SBR for both 9mm and 556. Slash has 8.2 CAR style buffers. |
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Posted: 3/5/2005 3:08:31 PM EDT
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any problem with under powered (aka Wolf) ammo when running the 7oz buffer? |
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Posted: 3/5/2005 3:17:59 PM EDT
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If you were closer, I would let you borrow one, and you would feel the difference. When doing double taps, you can really feel everything change and slow down. The difference is quite evident. |
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Posted: 3/5/2005 3:36:32 PM EDT
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Would there be any ill effects running a 9mm buffer in a 6.8 SPC with the collapsable stock?
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Posted: 3/5/2005 3:54:58 PM EDT
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If heavier buffer works well with 5.56, Im sure its safe to assume it'd work well with 6.8. |
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Posted: 3/5/2005 3:56:26 PM EDT
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Just ordered one, thanx for the tip.
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Posted: 3/5/2005 3:58:00 PM EDT
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FWIW - I cut down a 9mm buffer to use in my AR10 (w/ M93 stock) - the way they are constructed makes it possible to lose a 1/4" or so and not loose a perceivable amount of weight.
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Posted: 3/5/2005 4:07:00 PM EDT
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For those who like numbers....
BUFFER WEIGHTS Rifle - 5.15oz, aluminum CAR - 2.9oz, aluminum H - 3.77oz H2 - 4.7oz H3 – 5.6oz 9mm - 5.47oz, steel 9mm A - 6.3oz CAR style buffer 9mm B - 7.1oz CAR style buffer 9mm X - 7.9oz CAR style buffer |
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Posted: 3/5/2005 4:24:25 PM EDT
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Grant is currently out.... and so is Bravo Company. I tried to buy through them. Due to a mix up.. i ended up with TWO buffers, and TWO car length springs... one from ADCO and one from ROCK RIVER. I originally ordered one from Rock River, but when i called a week after the order, they said they were on 45 day backorder. So, I ordered one from ADCO the same day I called RR, and planned to cancel my order from Rock river. The Rock River order arrived the next day, and since I had already mailed out my payment to adco, I just let the order go through... I didn't want to bother Steve. So now I have an extra 9mm buffer, and car length spring... hell, I havent even OPENED the USPS priority mail box for the ADCO buffer and spring... it is sitting on my kitchen table. Many of you have asked, and it is sold now. Stainless |
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Posted: 3/5/2005 4:29:09 PM EDT
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Wouldn't this also contribute to a LESSER chance of a slam fire?
I plan on reloading the several hundred cases I've picked up, and we know that commercial primers aren't as thick as the one's Uncle Sam uses. So, if the carrier is traveling slower, then the firing pin will slam the primer with less speed (momentum), thus making it harder to have a slam fire. |
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Posted: 3/5/2005 6:42:39 PM EDT
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Brownells carries a DPMS CAR-15 Counter Weight heavy buffer. I have been using a couple of them in a couple different guns for a few months and I'm very impressed with them. The weight is 5.4 oz. I was using them with the Wolff extra power buffer spring, but found that I prefer the standard spring with the 5.4 oz buffer.
If you are a LEO or Dealer, the price on the DPMS buffers are $25., reail is $59.95 ......Here is a brief description: Improves Reliability & Control, Softens Felt Recoil Extra-heavy to soften felt recoil on semi-auto and full-auto guns; added mass reduces cyclic rate during full-auto fire. Provides smoother function for faster follow-up shots to help improve on-target accuracy. Stops bolt bounce on full-auto CAR-15's to increase feeding and extraction reliability. Drop-in installation, uses standard recoil spring. Fits AR-15/CAR-15 with collapsible stock only. SPECS:Steel body. 3¼" (8.3cm) long. 5.4 oz. (155 g) wt. Brownell's Counterweight Buffer |
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Posted: 3/5/2005 7:06:59 PM EDT
[#28]
Use CCI Mil Spec primers if you are concerned with slam fires......
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Posted: 3/5/2005 7:09:14 PM EDT
[#29]
Do C&R's get the secret squirrel price at Brownells?
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Posted: 3/5/2005 7:12:51 PM EDT
[#30]
yes. |
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Posted: 3/5/2005 7:15:18 PM EDT
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Tag
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Posted: 3/5/2005 7:24:31 PM EDT
[#32]
Tagged
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Posted: 3/5/2005 7:35:58 PM EDT
[#33]
I have been running H2 buffers in my AR's and have worked out pretty well. I have a couple left and they are made by CMT if anyone is interested....
C4 |
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Posted: 3/5/2005 7:37:45 PM EDT
[#34]
How much for the H2's? I might be interested.
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Posted: 3/5/2005 7:39:06 PM EDT
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Tagg....
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Posted: 3/5/2005 7:45:29 PM EDT
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Posted: 3/5/2005 8:05:51 PM EDT
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tag
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Posted: 3/6/2005 9:26:53 AM EDT
[#38]
They are $20 a pop + shipping. C4 www.gandrtactical.com |
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Posted: 3/6/2005 9:40:56 AM EDT
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tag
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Posted: 3/6/2005 9:49:28 AM EDT
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That is an amazing price Grant! And they are made by CMT.
You want less than almost everyone else wants for one Tungsten weight H buffers. Colt H2 buffers go for $45. |
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Posted: 3/6/2005 9:50:59 AM EDT
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I have not run the std Wolf, the closest I have been to Wolf is the empties I loaded with SS-109 and WC-844 to M855 spec. Wolf should not be an issue, it is in most respects std "223" ammo. |
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Posted: 3/6/2005 9:53:16 AM EDT
[#42]
 I need to try one also. I still have standard in all of my carbine setups. |
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Posted: 3/6/2005 9:59:10 AM EDT
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I've had no problems running wolf ammo on full auto with them. Only a couple hundred rounds though. But so far, so good. |
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Posted: 3/6/2005 11:40:59 AM EDT
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I have been receiving this question a lot... so I thought I would answer it in the thread....
"Have you noticed weak extraction or ejection?" I have NOT noticed weak extraction or ejection. The rifle throws the spent cases in the same place as it did before. BUT... I am using a D-fender extractor enhancer as well, I don’t know what difference that would make... but I am just letting you all know. The weapon was newly built from bushmaster parts, a colt MPC bolt, and I installed the magpul stock myself.... So I was expecting SOME type of malfunctions/problems... until it "wore in". BUT... I have experienced NO problems in the first 1000 rounds. ALL of those have been wolf 62-grain ammo. I WAS very worried about the reliability and function with underpowered ammo... and I was worried about continued reliability as the weapon became more and more "dirty". I thought that it might not work with wolf ammo, and it would not work as it became dirty… (a condition inevitable with copious amount of wolf) All my fears have been put to rest, as the weapon has not malfunctioned, and I have yet to clean it. I will continue posting as the process continues. But so far... I am maintaining my "this is the way it should be done" opinion. Have a good one. Stainless |
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Posted: 3/6/2005 11:50:53 AM EDT
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What's the weight of the "magic" AR10 buffer that is said to be required for collapsible stock use?
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Posted: 3/6/2005 6:18:50 PM EDT
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USMC03:
I have both the "DPMS" tungsten buffer from Brownells, and the 9mm buffer from RRA. They are identical. |
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Posted: 3/6/2005 6:52:45 PM EDT
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Posted: 3/6/2005 7:07:05 PM EDT
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Thanks for the heads up....looks like they are the same price if the buyer has the dealer discount at Brownell's. |
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Posted: 3/6/2005 7:08:28 PM EDT
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They are NOT on my web site. I always appreciate feedback on my web site. There are two schools of though on web sites (as far as I am concerned). You can list the companies you sell or list the products by catagories. I am personally a fan of "by company name" as I always know the name of the company that I am looking for. I have however discovered that a lot of people do not know the name of anything that they are looking for (or maybe don't care) and so I now list items by catagory as well. So to answer your question, you can call me with your CC info or send me a paypal payment for them. C4 |
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Posted: 3/6/2005 7:14:38 PM EDT
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WOW, fast response, and on a SUNDAY! I assume this reflects the service your company provides. I think a search function on your site could have solved my specific problem, but about the organization thing: I don't know all the parts that a company makes, so if I was looking for a buffer by brand x, I wouldn't be able to compare it to brand y unless I knew they made it. So I'd have to navigate each company's section of the site to see if they made a comparable product. Just my 2¢. |
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