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Posted: 7/23/2005 1:35:58 PM EDT

Just now starting to hear about the wylde chamber. I understand is a cross between the .223 and 5.56. Is there any dis/advantage to it? Whats the point of it?

Posted: 7/23/2005 2:47:39 PM EDT

[#1]

I'm no expert, but this is what I know:
Advantage
-You can shoot cheap .223 ammo through it (wolf, ect.)
-you can shoot hotter 5.56 ammo through it (m193, m855, ect.)
-good for people who want to shoot match ammo and plinking ammo through the same barrel.
disadvantage
-don't know of any

Posted: 7/23/2005 2:52:00 PM EDT

[#2]

It's a way to take more money from you.

You can already shoot 5.56 and .223 both in your 5.56 chamber with exceptional accuracy
from both.

You tighten up the 5.56 chamber and you raise the pressures with hot 5.56 ammo,
for no reason.

Unless you're building some super match grade rifle you should not be interested.

And, even if you are building some super match grade rifle you would want .223
because of the known quantity it is and the available ammo with known performance.

Wylde is a compromise, and you don't want to compromise in either your self defense
rifle, or a match grade rifle, so it serves no purpose other than to take your money.

If you happen to want to shoot 80 grain match ammo it might be good because the throat
is shorter than 5.56 NATO, or more accurately the lands "angle" is shallower making
a gentler transition to the lands. This is called leade (not lead) minimizing the "bullet jump"
before it touches the lands. That's really it's "sweet spot"

ETA: That being said, I would not be surprised to see manufacturers offer more and more
barrels in Wylde. It does have a following for people that want to shoot match ammo
and military style ammo in the same barrel, though for the life of me I can't imagine
why anyone would want to do that.

Posted: 7/23/2005 2:52:54 PM EDT

[#3]

Quoted:
I'm no expert, but this is what I know:
Advantage
-You can shoot cheap .223 ammo through it (wolf, ect.)
-you can shoot hotter 5.56 ammo through it (m193, m855, ect.)
-good for people who want to shoot match ammo and plinking ammo through the same barrel.
disadvantage
-don't know of any

Read the post after yours.

Posted: 7/23/2005 3:08:18 PM EDT

[#4]

Quoted:
Quoted:
I'm no expert, but this is what I know:
Advantage
-You can shoot cheap .223 ammo through it (wolf, ect.)
-you can shoot hotter 5.56 ammo through it (m193, m855, ect.)
-good for people who want to shoot match ammo and plinking ammo through the same barrel.
disadvantage
-don't know of any

Read the post after yours.

Yep. I did. Your point?
I stated what I knew or have heard. Didnt say it was fact.
later

Posted: 7/23/2005 3:11:05 PM EDT

[#5]

Quoted:
Quoted:
Quoted:
I'm no expert, but this is what I know:
Advantage
-You can shoot cheap .223 ammo through it (wolf, ect.)
-you can shoot hotter 5.56 ammo through it (m193, m855, ect.)
-good for people who want to shoot match ammo and plinking ammo through the same barrel.
disadvantage
-don't know of any

Read the post after yours.

Yep. I did. Your point?
I stated what I knew or have heard. Didnt say it was fact.
later

Yeah, you weren't wrong on anything really, but it just seems like a goofy idea to me.
I don't think he was beating on you, just offering you more info.

Posted: 7/23/2005 4:11:31 PM EDT

[#6]

Quoted:
Quoted:
Quoted:
Quoted:
I'm no expert, but this is what I know:
Advantage
-You can shoot cheap .223 ammo through it (wolf, ect.)
-you can shoot hotter 5.56 ammo through it (m193, m855, ect.)
-good for people who want to shoot match ammo and plinking ammo through the same barrel.
disadvantage
-don't know of any

Read the post after yours.

Yep. I did. Your point?
I stated what I knew or have heard. Didnt say it was fact.
later

Yeah, you weren't wrong on anything really, but it just seems like a goofy idea to me.
I don't think he was beating on you, just offering you more info.

Exactly. He said he didn't know of any disadvantages. You pointed the disadvantages out in detail, and did a damn good job in the process.

Posted: 7/23/2005 4:31:41 PM EDT

[#7]

thanks for the info.

Posted: 7/23/2005 4:43:35 PM EDT

[#8]

Quoted:
It's a way to take more money from you.

You can already shoot 5.56 and .223 both in your 5.56 chamber with exceptional accuracy
from both.

You tighten up the 5.56 chamber and you raise the pressures with hot 5.56 ammo,
for no reason.

Unless you're building some super match grade rifle you should not be interested.

And, even if you are building some super match grade rifle you would want .223
because of the known quantity it is and the available ammo with known performance.

Wylde is a compromise, and you don't want to compromise in either your self defense
rifle, or a match grade rifle, so it serves no purpose other than to take your money.

If you happen to want to shoot 80 grain match ammo it might be good because the throat
is shorter than 5.56 NATO, or more accurately the lands "angle" is shallower making
a gentler transition to the lands. This is called leade (not lead) minimizing the "bullet jump"
before it touches the lands. That's really it's "sweet spot"

ETA: That being said, I would not be surprised to see manufacturers offer more and more
barrels in Wylde. It does have a following for people that want to shoot match ammo
and military style ammo in the same barrel, though for the life of me I can't imagine
why anyone would want to do that.

If your analysis were correct, most Highpower shooters, who demand exceptional accuracy AND flawless reliability with loads that are often as hot asn mil-spec ammo and sometimes more would be using 5.56 NATO chambers. But we don't. The Wylde chamber dominates in highpower, and NATO and tight 223 match chambers are nowhere to be seen.

Bill Wylde has forgotten more about ARs that you and I together know. I think I'll take his judgement, and that of a lot of kick-ass highpower shooters like John Sylvester and John Holliger, before yours on the merits of the Wylde chamber design.

Posted: 7/23/2005 5:19:38 PM EDT

[#9]

Quoted:
Quoted:
It's a way to take more money from you.

You can already shoot 5.56 and .223 both in your 5.56 chamber with exceptional accuracy
from both.

You tighten up the 5.56 chamber and you raise the pressures with hot 5.56 ammo,
for no reason.

Unless you're building some super match grade rifle you should not be interested.

And, even if you are building some super match grade rifle you would want .223
because of the known quantity it is and the available ammo with known performance.

Wylde is a compromise, and you don't want to compromise in either your self defense
rifle, or a match grade rifle, so it serves no purpose other than to take your money.

If you happen to want to shoot 80 grain match ammo it might be good because the throat
is shorter than 5.56 NATO, or more accurately the lands "angle" is shallower making
a gentler transition to the lands. This is called leade (not lead) minimizing the "bullet jump"
before it touches the lands. That's really it's "sweet spot"

ETA: That being said, I would not be surprised to see manufacturers offer more and more
barrels in Wylde. It does have a following for people that want to shoot match ammo
and military style ammo in the same barrel, though for the life of me I can't imagine
why anyone would want to do that.

If your analysis were correct, most Highpower shooters, who demand exceptional accuracy AND flawless reliability with loads that are often as hot asn mil-spec ammo and sometimes more would be using 5.56 NATO chambers. But we don't. The Wylde chamber dominates in highpower, and NATO and tight 223 match chambers are nowhere to be seen.

Bill Wylde has forgotten more about ARs that you and I together know. I think I'll take his judgement, and that of a lot of kick-ass highpower shooters like John Sylvester and John Holliger, before yours on the merits of the Wylde chamber design.

I know you highpower people don't believe this, but the AR was designed to be a battle rifle.
I know it's stressful for you, so take a moment to catch your breath.

I'm pretty sure I said if you want a match only rifle that it had merit. There are damn few shooters on
this forum that need that kind of thing. So, go soak in your afterglow of masturbating to Bill Wyldes photos, but 99% of the shooters on here and in the real world have no use for a Wylde chambering.

When they start putting Wylde chamberings in the M4 let me know. I think I'll take the
word of any Lance Corporal in Falluhjah before Wyldes....

If this posting had been in the competitive shooting forum I would not have answered, but it was asked
in the general AR forum. I don't expect many folks posting in here care what the highpower shooter is using.

I carry a 1911, but I really don't care at all what Rob Leatham is using this year.

Posted: 7/23/2005 5:30:25 PM EDT

[#10]

How are wylde chambers indicated on the lower?

.223
5.56
.223/5.56

???

Posted: 7/23/2005 5:33:32 PM EDT

[#11]

Quoted:
How are wylde chambers indicated on the lower?

.223
5.56
.223/5.56

???

The only way I have ever seen it is ".223 Wylde" but, I don't and won't own one so dunno for sure.
It's on the barrel by the way.

Posted: 7/23/2005 5:35:40 PM EDT

[#12]

Quoted:
How are wylde chambers indicated on the lower?

.223
5.56
.223/5.56

???

5.56 on mine...

Posted: 7/23/2005 5:36:51 PM EDT

[#13]

Quoted:
Quoted:
How are wylde chambers indicated on the lower?

.223
5.56
.223/5.56

???

5.56 on mine...
www.fotothing.com/photos/43e/43ec4329c750a48f8c5d1dc89383d0b8.jpg

Hah hah. I think he meant barrel. The lower might say all kinds of things.

The barrel is what matters

That's funny......

Posted: 7/23/2005 5:38:17 PM EDT

[#14]

Quoted:
It's a way to take more money from you.

You can already shoot 5.56 and .223 both in your 5.56 chamber with exceptional accuracy
from both.

Wylde will be more accurate. Not sure how much more, that's a function of your barrel as well -- consistent diameter, polish, twist, etc. But given equal barrels, it will be more accurate. If there weren't an advantage, you'd never have seen match shooters migrate toward it.

You tighten up the 5.56 chamber and you raise the pressures with hot 5.56 ammo,
for no reason.

Nothing is tighter, that is a fallacy. Body is the same as 5.56 or maybe even a bit looser. The change is in the leade and throat -- nothing that affects functioning or reliability.

Wylde is a compromise, and you don't want to compromise in either your self defense
rifle, or a match grade rifle, so it serves no purpose other than to take your money.

It's a compromise between a short throat, steep leade .223 chamber and a long throat 5.56 chamber. It's all about achieving accuracy with longer loaded rounds using high BC bullets. Again, it makes no compomises WRT functioning/reliability.

Posted: 7/23/2005 5:41:12 PM EDT

[#15]

Quoted:

It's a compromise between a short throat, steep leade .223 chamber and a long throat 5.56 chamber. It's all about accuracy. Again, it makes no compomises WRT functioning/reliability.

I'm sorry,but if this was the case every M4 would come with this chambering. The Wylde chamber
is a match/target rifle specialty for now. If it is proven to be as reliable and rock solid as the standard
5.56 then you'll see a move that way, and it very well may be so, but you can't make that statement
based on what is known today.

Posted: 7/23/2005 5:45:12 PM EDT

[#16]

Might not be a bad choice for a squad SPR. But I wouldn't choose it for the M4s and A4s.

Posted: 7/23/2005 5:49:03 PM EDT

[#17]

Quoted:
Quoted:

It's a compromise between a short throat, steep leade .223 chamber and a long throat 5.56 chamber. It's all about accuracy. Again, it makes no compomises WRT functioning/reliability.

I'm sorry,but if this was the case every M4 would come with this chambering. The Wylde chamber
is a match/target rifle specialty for now. If it is proven to be as reliable and rock solid as the standard
5.56 then you'll see a move that way, and it very well may be so, but you can't make that statement
based on what is known today.

John Holliger Comments -- Reloading Stuph Link

Posted: 7/23/2005 6:16:05 PM EDT

[#18]

Interesting post...considering I have a new WOA barrel with the Wylde chamber....

jmart...great link...thanks for that...

Posted: 7/23/2005 6:22:20 PM EDT

[#19]

Jesus H. Christ, someone show TexasSIG a chamber print of a Wylde reamer. If he's smart enough to read it he may learn something. I've never heard so much bullshit in my life!

Phil

Posted: 7/23/2005 7:15:35 PM EDT

[#20]

Quoted:
Jesus H. Christ, someone show TexasSIG a chamber print of a Wylde reamer. If he's smart enough to read it he may learn something. I've never heard so much bullshit in my life!

Phil

There is none blinder than he who refuses to see. Fuck it.

Posted: 7/23/2005 7:16:40 PM EDT

[#21]

Quoted:
Quoted:
Quoted:
It's a way to take more money from you.

You can already shoot 5.56 and .223 both in your 5.56 chamber with exceptional accuracy
from both.

You tighten up the 5.56 chamber and you raise the pressures with hot 5.56 ammo,
for no reason.

Unless you're building some super match grade rifle you should not be interested.

And, even if you are building some super match grade rifle you would want .223
because of the known quantity it is and the available ammo with known performance.

Wylde is a compromise, and you don't want to compromise in either your self defense
rifle, or a match grade rifle, so it serves no purpose other than to take your money.

If you happen to want to shoot 80 grain match ammo it might be good because the throat
is shorter than 5.56 NATO, or more accurately the lands "angle" is shallower making
a gentler transition to the lands. This is called leade (not lead) minimizing the "bullet jump"
before it touches the lands. That's really it's "sweet spot"

ETA: That being said, I would not be surprised to see manufacturers offer more and more
barrels in Wylde. It does have a following for people that want to shoot match ammo
and military style ammo in the same barrel, though for the life of me I can't imagine
why anyone would want to do that.

If your analysis were correct, most Highpower shooters, who demand exceptional accuracy AND flawless reliability with loads that are often as hot asn mil-spec ammo and sometimes more would be using 5.56 NATO chambers. But we don't. The Wylde chamber dominates in highpower, and NATO and tight 223 match chambers are nowhere to be seen.

Bill Wylde has forgotten more about ARs that you and I together know. I think I'll take his judgement, and that of a lot of kick-ass highpower shooters like John Sylvester and John Holliger, before yours on the merits of the Wylde chamber design.

I know you highpower people don't believe this, but the AR was designed to be a battle rifle.
I know it's stressful for you, so take a moment to catch your breath.

I'm pretty sure I said if you want a match only rifle that it had merit. There are damn few shooters on
this forum that need that kind of thing. So, go soak in your afterglow of masturbating to Bill Wyldes photos, but 99% of the shooters on here and in the real world have no use for a Wylde chambering.

When they start putting Wylde chamberings in the M4 let me know. I think I'll take the
word of any Lance Corporal in Falluhjah before Wyldes....

If this posting had been in the competitive shooting forum I would not have answered, but it was asked
in the general AR forum. I don't expect many folks posting in here care what the highpower shooter is using.

I carry a 1911, but I really don't care at all what Rob Leatham is using this year.

It all went right over your head while you were busy choking on the milspec/tactical kool aid. have some more.

Posted: 7/23/2005 7:19:14 PM EDT

[#22]

Designed by Bill Wylde. Shoots everything good, and has slightly generous body dimensions for reliability. Eats anything you put in it.

From yet another guy (John Holliger) who has forgotten more about building ARs than TexasSIG ever learned.

Posted: 7/23/2005 7:26:50 PM EDT

[#23]

Quoted:
Quoted:
Quoted:
How are wylde chambers indicated on the lower?

.223
5.56
.223/5.56

???

5.56 on mine...
www.fotothing.com/photos/43e/43ec4329c750a48f8c5d1dc89383d0b8.jpg

Hah hah. I think he meant barrel. The lower might say all kinds of things.

The barrel is what matters That's funny......

I know, lol...but he asked what the lower said...and thats what he got.

Posted: 7/23/2005 7:34:54 PM EDT

[#24]

Quoted:
How are wylde chambers indicated on the lower?

.223
5.56
.223/5.56

???

WTF do the markings on the lower have to do with the upper and the chambering??

Posted: 7/23/2005 7:42:20 PM EDT

[#25]

Quoted:
Quoted:
Quoted:
Quoted:
It's a way to take more money from you.

You can already shoot 5.56 and .223 both in your 5.56 chamber with exceptional accuracy
from both.

You tighten up the 5.56 chamber and you raise the pressures with hot 5.56 ammo,
for no reason.

Unless you're building some super match grade rifle you should not be interested.

And, even if you are building some super match grade rifle you would want .223
because of the known quantity it is and the available ammo with known performance.

Wylde is a compromise, and you don't want to compromise in either your self defense
rifle, or a match grade rifle, so it serves no purpose other than to take your money.

If you happen to want to shoot 80 grain match ammo it might be good because the throat
is shorter than 5.56 NATO, or more accurately the lands "angle" is shallower making
a gentler transition to the lands. This is called leade (not lead) minimizing the "bullet jump"
before it touches the lands. That's really it's "sweet spot"

ETA: That being said, I would not be surprised to see manufacturers offer more and more
barrels in Wylde. It does have a following for people that want to shoot match ammo
and military style ammo in the same barrel, though for the life of me I can't imagine
why anyone would want to do that.

If your analysis were correct, most Highpower shooters, who demand exceptional accuracy AND flawless reliability with loads that are often as hot asn mil-spec ammo and sometimes more would be using 5.56 NATO chambers. But we don't. The Wylde chamber dominates in highpower, and NATO and tight 223 match chambers are nowhere to be seen.

Bill Wylde has forgotten more about ARs that you and I together know. I think I'll take his judgement, and that of a lot of kick-ass highpower shooters like John Sylvester and John Holliger, before yours on the merits of the Wylde chamber design.

I know you highpower people don't believe this, but the AR was designed to be a battle rifle.
I know it's stressful for you, so take a moment to catch your breath.

I'm pretty sure I said if you want a match only rifle that it had merit. There are damn few shooters on
this forum that need that kind of thing. So, go soak in your afterglow of masturbating to Bill Wyldes photos, but 99% of the shooters on here and in the real world have no use for a Wylde chambering.

When they start putting Wylde chamberings in the M4 let me know. I think I'll take the
word of any Lance Corporal in Falluhjah before Wyldes....

If this posting had been in the competitive shooting forum I would not have answered, but it was asked
in the general AR forum. I don't expect many folks posting in here care what the highpower shooter is using.

I carry a 1911, but I really don't care at all what Rob Leatham is using this year.

It all went right over your head while you were busy choking on the milspec/tactical kool aid. have some more.

ROTFLMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted: 7/23/2005 8:38:08 PM EDT

[#26]

Man, tell me who has been drinking the KoolAid....

As we all know, the working AR's are all using the Wylde Chambers and
custom loaded ammo

And all the guys in the sandbox
are wearing shooting coats........... because Highpower is really the
only use for an AR

All the local departments are ordering fluted barrels, Wylde chamberings
and shooting coats for their working teams.

You guys are too funny.

Oh by the way, the Garand was once used in a war too. I know, amazing......

Posted: 7/23/2005 9:03:24 PM EDT

[#27]

<TexasSig>"They are not near Baghdad. Don't believe them.... They said they entered with... tanks in the middle of the capital. They claim that they - I tell you, I... that this speech is too far from the reality. It is a part of this sickness of their plan. There is no an... - no any existence to the American troops or for the troops in Baghdad at all."<TexasSig>

Posted: 7/24/2005 12:23:29 PM EDT

[#28]

I don't know if this is relavent to this discussion or not, but I have had some problems with wolf in my RRA with a wilde chamber.

www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=3&f=16&t=240187

It does not seem possible to me for the differences in lengths between 5.56 and even .223 to lead to the lands engaging the bullet enough to grip it so you can't easily remove it, so I am at a loss to explain this. The only possibilities I can think of are either the bullet moving forward under recoil, or the chamber being improperly reamed.

Has anyone else had problems with wolf in a wylde chamber?

Posted: 7/29/2005 2:53:10 PM EDT

[#29]

Strange. The "stuck case" sounds like the usual complaints about Wolf from the laquer, but you said it was the new polymer. I wouldn't think a bullet touching the lands would stick it that tight.

BTW, when I asked RRA before buying my SS 1/8 midlength they told me all 16" barrels had 5.56 NATO chambers, even the SS ones. Only the 20" have Wylde. So unless they've changed that since I asked (about 2 years ago I think) then your chamber may not even be a .223 Wylde.

I've shot a little Wolf through mine, but not a lot. No problems with it, even the old green kind. (Well, except for the piss-poor accuracy; but it ran fine.)

Posted: 7/29/2005 3:44:39 PM EDT

[#30]

Denny just built an upper for a guy in the sand box with a wylde chamber...

Posted: 7/29/2005 3:52:38 PM EDT

[#31]

Quoted:
I don't know if this is relavent to this discussion or not, but I have had some problems with wolf in my RRA with a wilde chamber.

www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=3&f=16&t=240187

It does not seem possible to me for the differences in lengths between 5.56 and even .223 to lead to the lands engaging the bullet enough to grip it so you can't easily remove it, so I am at a loss to explain this. The only possibilities I can think of are either the bullet moving forward under recoil, or the chamber being improperly reamed.

Has anyone else had problems with wolf in a wylde chamber?

It is physically impossible for ANY 223 bullet loaded to magazine length to come even remotely close to the lands in a Wylde chambered rifle. I can say this in 100% confidence of being right since I have the tools to measure that distance (as any reloader should, anyway).

Posted: 7/29/2005 7:57:54 PM EDT

[#32]

There's more than one upper in the sandbox right now with a Wylde chamber.

I suppose if Uncle doesn't have it issued on or in an M4 it ain't worth having.

Posted: 7/30/2005 4:07:12 AM EDT

[#33]

Quoted:
There's more than one upper in the sandbox right now with a Wylde chamber.

I suppose if Uncle doesn't have it issued on or in an M4 it ain't worth having.

Now you know that it ain't worth shit if it don't have the stamp of approval from Uncle Sam...

The more I read about the Wylde chamber that I have on my WOA SPR barrel, the more I'm glad I'm got one to try...

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