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Posted: 1/31/2006 7:38:05 PM EDT
[#1]
Post a range report!
Thanks for sharing. 
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Posted: 1/31/2006 7:44:44 PM EDT
[#2]
SUPER SWEET that is a nice rifle.
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Posted: 1/31/2006 8:16:43 PM EDT
[#3]
Indeed a very nice looking rig, but 7 months for an AR build? That's just rediculous.
 Regardless....good luck with it. What barrel did they use? |
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Posted: 1/31/2006 8:55:33 PM EDT
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he makes everyting in house including his barrels are custom les baer made. That is a sweat rifle, I know you will have a blast shooting it.
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Posted: 1/31/2006 9:43:47 PM EDT
[#5]
A couple of questions:
1) I thought that Young MFG made the bolt carrier for LBC. 2) Is the color of the upper and lower receiver that far off, or is it meant to look like that. 3) Standard aluminum FF tube.  I've heard a lot of talk about the LBC guns, but it seems like a lot of money for a rifle that doesn't look like anything special. But, the proofs in the shooting, so how about some pics of those 1/4" groups. |
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Posted: 1/31/2006 9:47:09 PM EDT
[#6]
All that money and some POS aluminum tube?
FUCK THAT. |
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Posted: 1/31/2006 10:25:28 PM EDT
[#7]
Thank you for your input.  Nice looking rifle! What ammo are you planing on using? |
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Posted: 1/31/2006 10:55:21 PM EDT
[#8]
That looks great.
 I have been thinking of doing away with my Bushmaster varminter for one of those.
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Posted: 1/31/2006 11:08:13 PM EDT
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ya im sure he was going for that the uber tactical look you airsofters yearn for. I think he just wants reliability and the tube is working just fine for its inteneded/owners purpose. dont you?? Good looking rifle!! just ignore the poser airsofters ignorance |
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Posted: 2/1/2006 12:29:44 AM EDT
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My guns aren't airsoft buddy  I just merely pointed out that his really expensive AR-15 came with a cheap free-float tube. I didn't say that the tube wouldn't be good enough for his applications. |
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Posted: 2/1/2006 3:38:07 AM EDT
[#11]
Nice Rifle !
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Posted: 2/1/2006 5:18:40 AM EDT
[#13]
Nice AR!!!
LBC makes some really nice ARs....don't get discouraged with your purchase as most of the people hear just don't like paying for such a high dollar AR when they can get it cheaper here on the EE. They (the  ) do the same thing with Colt.
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Posted: 2/1/2006 6:04:32 AM EDT
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I took it to the range on Monday (01/30/06). I only fired 20 rounds through her on the first go. This was a zeroing run, and not much more. Time: 4:00pm Weather: Clear Temp: 71 Wind: 1-2mph (right to left) Most groups 1/4", others just under 1/2". That is out of the box, with no practice on this gun. I think it will be consistant 1/4" groups once I get used to it. The functioning of the weapon was the best I have ever seen or felt. Not one problem with any jaming or anything else. I will be taking it out again here in a few minutes for about 60 rounds. Thanks, rpd5127 |
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Posted: 2/1/2006 6:07:42 AM EDT
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The barrell is also custom made by Les Baer. Thanks, rpd5127 |
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Posted: 2/1/2006 6:14:41 AM EDT
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Question 1: The Bolt Carrier, bolt, firing pin, ect.. is made by Les Baer. Thats what they told me when I ordered it. Question 2: The finsish is different. I ordered it like that. Some don't like it, some do. Just personal preferance. The whole gun is going to be camo painted anyway. Question 3: Aluminum tube, but dont know if it standard. Thanks, rpd5127 |
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Posted: 2/1/2006 6:18:38 AM EDT
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Is your bipod mounted on the gas block or is there some attachment I can't see in the picture securing it to the FF tube? Curious because I would like an alternative to drilling my FF tube to accept a bipod.
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Posted: 2/1/2006 6:22:26 AM EDT
[#18]
It is connected to a quick-connect mount which is attached to the FF Tube.
The bi-pod is a Vera-Pod. Here is a better pic of it. http://www.lesbaer.com/ar223pts/vpodnew.jpg Thanks, rpd5127 |
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Posted: 2/1/2006 6:27:17 AM EDT
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i had a jtdistributing varmint kit that shot 1/4" groups all day long with the right ammo.
didnt take but a week to get it in. also mine has a cmc trigger which needs captured pins since its all enclosed and there is nothing to hold std pins from falling out. yours doesnt look like they are catured. what did you pay for that thing? hope you didnt pay too much  sorry for sounding like such an a$$hole but i think you should have done some homework before jumping into something like that. |
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Posted: 2/1/2006 6:42:31 AM EDT
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I don't have to go to the LB website to know that you've got a bundle tied up in that rifle and scope and it certainly isn't what I'd put together ( I'm a High Power competitor and it's neither legal nor optimal for what I do ), but it sounds like you got the rifle you wanted and it shoots tiny knots -- so it's a win-win for you.
P.S. And forget about the naysayers. Just post a pic with your groups. Ever notice how you see lots of pics of carbines with collapsible stocks and f-ugly float tubes with all manner of crap clamped to 'em on this site, but dang few pics of targets? There's a reason for that... |
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Posted: 2/1/2006 6:52:37 AM EDT
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The rifle was bulit as a urban sniper rifle for SWAT duty.
Most urban sniper situations are at ranges less than 150 yards. Most urban sniper shoots are less than 100 yards. Recent trends show urban sniper situations are increasingly involving multiple suspects. I took these into consideration before having this gun built. It all comes down to personal preferance and your needs. Thanks, rpd5127 |
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Posted: 2/1/2006 6:53:27 AM EDT
[#22]
Nice Rig, Not my style
 , But very Nice.
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Posted: 2/1/2006 7:04:30 AM EDT
[#23]
Do a 10 shot group at 100 yards and if it is under 1/2 inch I will say that it MIGHT be worth the price of admission.
Reason being, it's way too easy to save some money and build up a good shooting rifle yourself that will shoot occasional 1/4 inch 3 or even 5 shot groups at 100 yards. But the majority will be closer to 1/2 inch, much like you report. The proof is in the pudding when shooting a higher sample size and the typical concepts of statistics get to rear their ugly head. Such as what is a normal distrbution for the shooter, rifle, load and how that plays into group size. Maintain that level of accuracy across a larger group shot number and it will speak volumes. Otherwise, take the average of the various groups and refer to that as the rifle's capabilities. Reason being? I have an accurized rifle that sometimes throws out the odd 1/2 inch or smaller 5 shot group but other times will inexplicably shoot something like a 3/4 inch group for 5. Then I started shooting 10 shot groups and found that roughly 2-3 shots out of 10 were responsible for pushing the group size open to 3/4 inch. Something that goes far to explain why I'd get an odd 3/4 inch group every now and then with other times getting bug hole type groups. Small groups can pop up with the laws of probability just as often as large groups may pop up, it's simply a matter of how your standard distibution curve might be shaped. |
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Posted: 2/1/2006 7:06:19 AM EDT
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1/4" groups? What type of ammo were you using at what range? What position? Also how many shots in each group?
Hey, if that rifle can make ME a 1/4MOA shooter with my XM193PD then it is worth $3,500 and then some. If it is a 1/4MOA shooter with selected match ammo, multiple sandbags and someone else behind the trigger, then it doesn't fit my personal needs/wants but I am sure it is a nice rifle. |
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Posted: 2/1/2006 7:42:34 AM EDT
[#25]
so how much did you pay for the thing?
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Posted: 2/1/2006 7:43:22 AM EDT
[#26]
+1 |
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Posted: 2/1/2006 8:43:19 AM EDT
[#27]
the bolt carrier is a Dan Young design, and is made by Young Manufacturing for LBC. archive.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=3&f=12&t=256488 i have a slightly different vintage YM NM BC in my RECCE: losdos.dyndns.org:8080/public/misc2/DSCN0681_sm.jpg
how is the cheek weld/eye relief with the scope set so far back? like most folks, i use a LaRue SPR cantilever mount to get the scope far enough forward: losdos.dyndns.org:8080/ar15/DSCN0972_sm.jpg losdos.dyndns.org:8080/ar15/DSCN0965_sm.jpg
hmmm. very interesting. the CMC trigger requires captive pins, as pointed out above (nice catch, btw). there are three options: 1) drive oversize pins into the lower, 2) use the CMC-provided pins which have E-clips on them, or 3) use KNS anto-rotation pins. from the pics, your setup could only be option 1. i'm wondering why LBC would have driven pins into the lower when better solutions exist. CMC trigger with CMC-supplied E-clip pins:   ar-jedi |
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Posted: 2/1/2006 9:06:35 AM EDT
[#28]
something that caught my eye too, with oversized pins they will eventually walk out as well so i hope lesbaer didnt do that with std fcg the spring's "legs" hold the pins in but with the cmc assy there is no exposed anything outside the "box" so the pins would just fall out.
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Posted: 2/1/2006 9:20:30 AM EDT
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Posted: 2/1/2006 9:23:05 AM EDT
[#30]
ps:
that is a hell of a lot of magnification for 100 yd shots! ar-jedi |
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Posted: 2/1/2006 11:28:10 AM EDT
[#31]
Nice looking rifle but I dont even want to know what you paid for it. Not to mention waiting 7 months. You could have built your own in a weeks or two for under $1000 that would shoot 1/4" groups all day. Hell a $900 Bushy varminter w/ a good shooter, optic and ammo will do that all day right out of the box.
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Posted: 2/1/2006 11:54:53 AM EDT
[#32]
8.5-25x30? it looks to me like a 50mm. my scope has a 30mm tube.
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Posted: 2/1/2006 1:03:58 PM EDT
[#33]
1/4" groups were done in three round groups shooting from the prone position at 100 yards. No sandags, just the bi-pod. Thanks, rpd5127 |
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Posted: 2/1/2006 1:08:18 PM EDT
[#34]
Sorry, meant to say 50mm. You are correct. Thanks, rpd5127 |
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Posted: 2/1/2006 1:21:55 PM EDT
[#35]
I just spoke with Les Baer again and they said that they manufacture them in-house and do not out-source them. They also stated that Young Manufacturing has never made anything for them. Please see www.lesbaer.com/ar223b.html for more info. The CMC trigger was installed by me. I will look into the pin issue. Did not even occur to me when I installed it. Thanks for the heads-up. I may end up replacing the pins. Thanks, rpd5127 |
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Posted: 2/1/2006 1:32:30 PM EDT
[#36]
What type of ammo were you using (or did you mention that already somewhere else)? I would be curious to see how it does with 5rd groups if you get a chance to try that. |
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Posted: 2/1/2006 1:52:13 PM EDT
[#37]
if they want to believe that, well that's up to them. please sign up for a ar15.com membership and read the info in the archive link i provided. ar-jedi |
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Posted: 2/1/2006 2:24:30 PM EDT
[#38]
I borrowed a pic from the archived thread. Funny, the patent numbers are the same on both the LBC and Young Mfg.  And a borrowed quote:
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Posted: 2/1/2006 2:56:45 PM EDT
[#39]
 I can't believe that a company that sells 2k dollar AR's that are no better than many costing half as much, would LIE to you.
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Posted: 2/1/2006 3:21:43 PM EDT
[#40]
Nice weapon congradulations. What ammo were you shooting and what is the twist of the barrel? Do you have enough eye relief on your scope with just the rings? Enjoy your weapon and shoot safe. |
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Posted: 2/1/2006 3:29:09 PM EDT
[#41]
Very nice, but would prefer .308 for this type of tool.
Tack |
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Posted: 2/1/2006 4:22:17 PM EDT
[#42]
Hell,I like it a lot! If I could be sure that it was my bushmaster and not me making bad shots I would buy one. Thats if I could shoot 1/4moa@100yards with it. I think I will keep working with the bushmaster for a while but I like to know there is options out there. More options are always good.
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Posted: 2/1/2006 4:32:14 PM EDT
[#43]
i checked out the Les Bauer web page above. it includes such statements as
i checked that patent out... here is the patent office document for patent number 5,551,179
q.e.d. at the very least Les Bauer could have stated "Licensed design, Patent #XYZ" instead of stating it was an "LBC Patent #XYZ". ar-jedi |
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Posted: 2/1/2006 5:24:09 PM EDT
[#44]
Okay so let me get this straight. You spent that kind of money on a rifle? Waited 7 months for it? Then had to swap out the stock and trigger for another $500 or so dollars? I'm sorry but you are at the top of my dumbass waste of money list.
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Posted: 2/1/2006 5:41:08 PM EDT
[#45]
I am using Winchester 55 gr. Balistic Silver Tip. Thanks, rpd5127 |
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Posted: 2/1/2006 5:47:29 PM EDT
[#46]
I do not recall reading what he paid for it. So how do you know? Some people just can't stand someone else having something that nice. You got one beautiful rifle there rpd and what ever you paid for it you got your moneys worth.. Good luck with it. |
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Posted: 2/1/2006 5:51:45 PM EDT
[#47]
Nice to know that when you post something on this site and get called names for you affection for the AR rifle. This only proves that people like YELLOWV have too much time on thier hands. Some people have no manners or aptitude for tolerance. BTW, I have never said what I paid for the gun. In any case, it was my money and mine to do with as I pleased. If you don't like it, so be it. But I do, and that seems to be the only thing that counts. I still like AR15.com and would reccommend it to anyone with a quest for knowledge about the AR series of rifles. Thanks, rpd5127 |
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Posted: 2/1/2006 6:19:02 PM EDT
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Facts can hurt sometimes. I wouldn't call you a dumbass but you definitely got taken. Arfcom can be rough but at least they don't sugar coat it and make you feel good about bad purchases. You need a thick skin but the comments will help you to not waste money in the future. Now I am going to give you some friendly but critical comments. You are using a 8.5-25X scope. There is no way you need that much magnifacation for less than 200 yards. The main thing I see though is that you can only go down to 8.5X which is too much in a close-up situation. I would reccomend something like a 2-10 or 3-12 scope. You are using 55gr winchester silvertip. You never said this was your offensive/defensive ammo so I will just assume this is what you want to use. I would highly reccomend NOT using this ammo. If you have to go for a body shot it may not penetrate far enough and it certainly won't work well at all for any kind of barrier. For the most destruction and enough penetration I would reccomend using either a 69gr or 75gr round. These, however, are not the best if you want to penetrate a barrier like auto/building glass which a sniper should be able to do. For penetration I would go with a bonded round like the federal bearclaw or federal TRU. You need to make up your own mind on the ammo because I don't know if you want the added penetration capability. On a side note; I don't know what twist your barrel is but for the 75gr bullets a 1/9 might not work. It is best to have a 1/8 or 1/7 for those heavier rounds. |
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Posted: 2/1/2006 6:49:29 PM EDT
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Are you related to yellow? I don't recall reading what the primary use for the gun will be. Maybe he wants to shoot 1/4" groups at 100 Yards or 1/2" groups at 200. I have an 8.5 - 25x Leopold. It is one of the finest scopes ever made for its intended purpose. |
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Posted: 2/1/2006 6:58:48 PM EDT
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Reading is Fundemental!  |
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