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Posted: 3/16/2014 2:38:14 AM EDT
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When discussing the Mk 18 / CQBR program, we can divide the history and discussion in to two distinct categories: 1) The weapon system itself / upper receiver supplied and 2) the group of accessories deployed on said weapon systems (SOPMOD).
---------- Mk 18 Mod 0 / CQBR The M4 carbine and M16 are not ideally suited for all missions, so it was proposed that the modularity of the M16 series would allow a user to replace the upper receiver of an existing weapon with one more suitable to the task. One of two proposed special mission receivers that were planned for inclusion into the SOPMOD Block II kit, the CQBR has taken off on its own. Like the proposed Special Purpose Receiver, the Close Quarters Battle Receiver has been more or less taken on by the Naval Surface Warfare Center, Crane Division (often referred to as NSWC-Crane or just "Crane") as its own project following the CQBR's removal from the SOPMOD program. Just as the Special Purpose Receiver morphed into the Special Purpose Rifle, and was type-classified as Mk 12 Mod 0/1, the complete CQBR-equipped carbine has been type-classified as the Mk 18 Mod 0. The purpose of the CQBR remains to provide operators with a weapon of submachine gun size, but firing a rifle cartridge, for scenarios such as VIP protection, urban warfare, and other close quarters battle (CQB) situations. The CQBR is designed to provide improvement over previous AR-15/M16-type weapons in this category. The CQBR is usually issued as a complete weapon system, and not just an upper receiver. The CQBR was once only available to Naval Special Warfare units, but the Mk 18 Mod 0 has become general issue for Visit, Board, Search, and Seizure (VBSS) missions and, as of 2006, for NCIS agents deploying to active combat zones.[citation needed] The Mk 18 is also used by the Coast Guard's Tactical Law Enforcement Teams, Maritime Safety and Security Teams, and Maritime Security Response Team and the United States Navy's Explosive Ordnance Disposal (EOD) Operators. Wikipedia has a good article with sources on the original CQBR/Mk 18 Mod 0 and its development. ---------- SOPMOD The SOPMOD Program Management Office at NSWC Crane, IN, provides standardized, versatile weapons accessories to meet needs across SOF mission scenarios. These accessories increase operator survivability and lethality by enhanced weapon performance, target acquisition, signature suppression, and fire control. The CQBR itself was originally part of the SOPMOD program as an accessory replacement upper receiver for the M4. However it was eventually separated out into its own project. SOPMOD accessories for the M4/CQBR originally included things like the KAC RIS/RAS, SOPMOD stock, KAC M4QD suppressor, AN/PEQ-2 illuminator/laser, ECOS-N red dot, ACOG, etc The SOPMOD program has gone through multiple minor and major evolutions throughout its lifetime. The most significant is commonly defined as "Block II" and included the introduction/replacement of accessories that met the updated needs of operators. The most visually significant "Block II" accessory is probably the replacement of the KAC rail/FSB with the Daniel Defense RIS II free float rail with low-profile gas block. Other updates include things like the Surefire SOCOM sound suppressor, EOTech RDS (553/SU-231 & EXPS 3-0/SU-231a), LA-5/PEQ ATPIAL, etc ---------- Link to docs and photo albums Presentation on CQBR from Crane Operator's Manual for Mk 18 Mod 0 SOPMOD Program Overview presentation from Crane Photo Album of Mk 18 Mod 0 Photo Album of CQBR with SOPMOD Block II accessories ---------- Because of the long history of both the CQBR/Mk 18 and SOPMOD programs, it's common to find weapons with various mixed configurations in the field, all depending on what time and unit the weapon system belongs to. Below are a few examples with descriptions to illustrate this. Example of a Mk 18 Mod 0 in as-issued configuration including: M16A1 surplus lower receiver, SOPMOD buttstock, KAC RIS, KAC M4QD flash hider, Aimpoint Comp M2 in Wilcox mount, LMT rear fixed sight, CQD rear sling plate. NSW Operator CQBRs with original SOPMOD accessories including KAC M4QD sound suppressor and AN/PEQ-2 IR Illuminator/Laser. Member of a Combat Camera team with a CQBR with KAC RAS and M4QD flash hider but with other updated accessories from the "Block II" SOPMOD kit including SU-231a (EOTech EXPS 3-0), EOTech G33 Magnifier, LA-5/PEQ ATPIAL, Insight WMX-200. Good example of "early" CQBR with SOPMOD Block II accessories including SU-231 (EOTech 553) and SU-233 (Insight M3x weaponlight). Example of a more "modern" CQBR with SOPMOD Block II accessories including the updated SU-231a (EOTech EXPS 3-0) and Insight WMX-200 weaponlight. Many times certain configurations are common within certain branches/groups. Here a Marine Raider is seen with a CQBR with an AN/PEQ-16 (USMC issued vs. the LA-5/PEQ SOCOM issued ATPIAL) and KAC NT4 suppressor (vs. the current Surefire SOCOM suppressor). ---------- Building a clone If you're interested in building a "clone" of a Mk 18 or CQBR equipped M4A1, here is a basic parts list to use as a guide and get you started. This list is not exhaustive and see the * note above regarding personalized accessories. | Mk 18 Mod 0 | M4A1 CQBR Block I | M4A1 CQBR Block II Lower Receiver | Mil-spec forged A1 | Mil-spec forged A2 | Mil-spec forged A2 Stock | Gen 1 SOPMOD (Black) | M4, CAR, SOPMOD, CTR & others | M4, CAR, SOPMOD, CTR & others Pistol Grip | A1 | A2, ERGO & others | A2, ERGO & others Rear Sling Plate | CQD | CQD | CQD Upper Receiver | Mil-spec forged M4 profile | Mil-spec forged M4 profile | Mil-spec forged M4 profile Barrel | 10.3" | 10.3" | 10.3" Rail | KAC RIS | KAC RAS | DD Mk18 RIS II (FDE) Rear BUIS | LMT Fixed | LMT Fixed, MATECH, & others | MATECH, KAC 300m, & others Front Sight | A2 FSB | A2 FSB | KAC 99051 BUIS (Taupe) Front Sling Attachment | FSB Sling Swivel | FSB Sling Swivel | CQD Muzzle Device | KAC M4QD | KAC M4QD | SureFire FH-556-RC Supressor | None | KAC QDSS NT4 | SureFire SOCOM556-RC (FDE) LAM | None | PEQ-2 | LA-5 Weaponlight | SureFire M962 | SureFire M952, M962 | Insight M3X (Tan), Insight WMX200 (Bronze) Optic | Aimpoint Comp M2 in Wilcox Mount | Aimpoint Comp M2 in QRP Mount, ACOG | EOTech 553 (Tan), EOTech EXPS3-0 (Tan), ELCAN 1-4x (FDE) ---------- Link to previous threads Previous Mk 18 / CQBR Thread Part I Previous Mk 18 / CQBR Thread Part II |
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Originally Posted By StevieJ309:
<a href="http://s890.photobucket.com/user/SJasper84/media/90kv.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i890.photobucket.com/albums/ac108/SJasper84/90kv.jpg</a> <a href="http://s890.photobucket.com/user/SJasper84/media/null-13.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i890.photobucket.com/albums/ac108/SJasper84/null-13.jpg</a> <a href="http://s890.photobucket.com/user/SJasper84/media/null-7.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i890.photobucket.com/albums/ac108/SJasper84/null-7.jpg</a> <a href="http://s890.photobucket.com/user/SJasper84/media/IMG_0022_zps9596809b.png.html" target="_blank">http://i890.photobucket.com/albums/ac108/SJasper84/IMG_0022_zps9596809b.png</a> <a href="http://s890.photobucket.com/user/SJasper84/media/10591337784_86983d0e28_o.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i890.photobucket.com/albums/ac108/SJasper84/10591337784_86983d0e28_o.jpg</a> <a href="http://s890.photobucket.com/user/SJasper84/media/10099595083_6ff061d20d_b.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i890.photobucket.com/albums/ac108/SJasper84/10099595083_6ff061d20d_b.jpg</a> <a href="http://s890.photobucket.com/user/SJasper84/media/1654380_10152638969519569_1465096917_n.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i890.photobucket.com/albums/ac108/SJasper84/1654380_10152638969519569_1465096917_n.jpg</a> <a href="http://s890.photobucket.com/user/SJasper84/media/1488211_10152131778054769_988496151_n.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i890.photobucket.com/albums/ac108/SJasper84/1488211_10152131778054769_988496151_n.jpg</a> <a href="http://s890.photobucket.com/user/SJasper84/media/1F16A991-91D8-4C2E-86F5-A44BEEBAFBE7-324-0000009B8AFA7E13.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i890.photobucket.com/albums/ac108/SJasper84/1F16A991-91D8-4C2E-86F5-A44BEEBAFBE7-324-0000009B8AFA7E13.jpg</a> View Quote Second from Bottom is airsoft. |
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View Quote Any further info on this pic? I'm curious because of the .40 Glock (FDE mag extension), the Ranger Green MBAV/MAP, and Mk18. I was told some Glocks in 9 are being issued in Ranger Regiment, mostly for use with suppressors. |
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Originally Posted By stoner63a: Any further info on this pic? I'm curious because of the .40 Glock (FDE mag extension), the Ranger Green MBAV/MAP, and Mk18. I was told some Glocks in 9 are being issued in Ranger Regiment, mostly for use with suppressors. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By stoner63a: Originally Posted By StevieJ309: http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/1024x768q90/560/tn9f.jpg http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/1024x768q90/560/tn9f.jpg Any further info on this pic? I'm curious because of the .40 Glock (FDE mag extension), the Ranger Green MBAV/MAP, and Mk18. I was told some Glocks in 9 are being issued in Ranger Regiment, mostly for use with suppressors. 75th Rangers training for some kind of media day event (the original set has several civilian photographers there taking pics of the guys training). The Glocks you see are definitely in .40 I actually dig Glocks alongside the CQBR Block II - makes for a cool package. |
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Originally Posted By stoner63a:
Any further info on this pic? I'm curious because of the .40 Glock (FDE mag extension), the Ranger Green MBAV/MAP, and Mk18. I was told some Glocks in 9 are being issued in Ranger Regiment, mostly for use with suppressors. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By stoner63a:
Originally Posted By StevieJ309:
http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/1024x768q90/560/tn9f.jpg <a href="https://imageshack.com/i/fktn9fj" target="_blank">http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/1024x768q90/560/tn9f.jpg</a> Any further info on this pic? I'm curious because of the .40 Glock (FDE mag extension), the Ranger Green MBAV/MAP, and Mk18. I was told some Glocks in 9 are being issued in Ranger Regiment, mostly for use with suppressors. They are SFARTAETC (Special Forces Advanced Reconnaissance, Target Analysis, and Exploitation Techniques Course) instructors at Fort Bragg giving a demonstration during part of 2012's CAPEX. |
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Originally Posted By wayfaerer320:
I've been wanting to do this for a while now, but finally decided to make it happen today... I was able to get the color fill out of the pirate logo part with some acetone - still have to do the bullet markings, but I think it looks much cleaner now: http://i1081.photobucket.com/albums/j352/javaman85/unnamed_zps9b45eeb3.jpg?t=1394905091 I'm also on the hunt for a deal on an SF3P or a KAC NT4 to replace the DD proprietary flash hider. View Quote Just rattle can that lower, nothing looks more clone-like than a crappy paint job, Oh and I got a NT4 for you. |
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Originally Posted By wayfaerer320:
Here's some more from the same set of images - title of the set is "U.S. Army Special Operations Command 2012 Capabilities Exercise, April 20." http://www.abload.de/img/capex201204ljrwj.jpg http://www.abload.de/img/capex201205s9rg0.jpg http://www.abload.de/img/capex201207k7ocj.jpg http://www.abload.de/img/capex201210dxuqz.jpg http://www.abload.de/img/capex2012206iuzs.jpg http://www.abload.de/img/capex201216p1u53.jpg http://www.abload.de/img/capex201217isuxm.jpg And close ups of the Glocks: http://img406.imageshack.us/img406/7616/sfglock2.png http://img269.imageshack.us/img269/3985/sfglock3.png http://img338.imageshack.us/img338/6942/sfglock4.png http://img843.imageshack.us/img843/5430/sfglock5.png View Quote This isn't a glock thread, but thanks again for the derailing. This is a Technical Forum. Keep it Technical, please - Old_Painless MARSOC CQBR |
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Nice pics. Please keep comments on subject and remember this is a Technical Forum. Thanks.
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If anyone has a lead on a used nt4 flash hider or one at a decent price, shoot me an email or pm.
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Tagscribbage......................let's not get this one fucked up too.
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Originally Posted By LongTrang:
In addition to peq 2's add the peq5 visible laser. When you study the MK 18's of Murph and Axe, they are using them since the peq 2 was IR only. Also, I have a pic a fella running a DBAL. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By LongTrang:
Originally Posted By TinyCrumb:
Originally Posted By schaz42:
• Laser: none on Mk18 Mod0 Updated the errors, thanks! You sure about the PEQ-2 though? I thought for sure I've seen quite a few in the wild Mod 0s with PEQ-2s. In addition to peq 2's add the peq5 visible laser. When you study the MK 18's of Murph and Axe, they are using them since the peq 2 was IR only. Also, I have a pic a fella running a DBAL. The only grip on Mod0's were A1, they were surplus M16A1 lowers and we had no lasers of any kind, the Mod0 was used on onboard ship for VBSS. Murphy and Axe we not using Mk18's, they used CQBR M4A1's, which of course would have A2 grips and used for laser designators. I know it's splitting hairs but the CBQR and Mod0 were used by entirely different personnel for different missions. William |
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This thread is awesome!!! Thank you for making a new one and lets keep this one as close to spec as possible
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I've got to rebuild my M18/CQBR in a week or so, I plan on taking a picture similar to that one.
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Originally Posted By boneislandphoto:
http://<a href=http://i486.photobucket.com/albums/rr227/boneislandphoto/MK18Setup.jpg</a>" /> View Quote PUT IT TOGETHER!!! If you needs tools I'm your man. William in Titusville |
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Anyone SBR a 6920 SOCOM for the M4A1 markings? Where did you do your engravings? I'm tearing down my non-spec Block II CQBR and want to try and do a super-spec clone when money frees itself up. Would probably pair it with a proper 14.5 PR upper or B2 upper as well someday.
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Originally Posted By schaz42:
PUT IT TOGETHER!!! If you needs tools I'm your man. William in Titusville View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By schaz42:
Originally Posted By boneislandphoto:
http://<a href=http://i486.photobucket.com/albums/rr227/boneislandphoto/MK18Setup.jpg</a>" /> PUT IT TOGETHER!!! If you needs tools I'm your man. William in Titusville Thanks for the offer of help and tools William, but it is together (the photo above it is the completed weapon)... and is a nail-driver. With the exception of the non-rotating pins it is built to spec with all Colt parts, H2 buffer, extractor upgrade, etc. made it as close as I could get it. Couldn't bring myself to run the KAC vert grip though so I put on a KAC handstop and use that as a small vert grip. |
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anyone have a good left side view of the rollmark on a Gov't issue M4A1 CQBR? also, would the right side of said receiver have the selector markings? Thanks guys.
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Originally Posted By schaz42:
The only grip on Mod0's were A1, they were surplus M16A1 lowers and we had no lasers of any kind, the Mod0 was used on onboard ship for VBSS. Murphy and Axe we not using Mk18's, they used CQBR M4A1's, which of course would have A2 grips and used for laser designators. I know it's splitting hairs but the CBQR and Mod0 were used by entirely different personnel for different missions. William View Quote Hey William, thanks for the info, and good point. Is there any functional difference between the two besides the lowers they were put on? Seems like Mod 0s and CQBR block 1s were almost exactly the same parts? |
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Originally Posted By TinyCrumb:
Hey William, thanks for the info, and good point. Is there any functional difference between the two besides the lowers they were put on? Seems like Mod 0s and CQBR block 1s were almost exactly the same parts? View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By TinyCrumb:
Originally Posted By schaz42:
The only grip on Mod0's were A1, they were surplus M16A1 lowers and we had no lasers of any kind, the Mod0 was used on onboard ship for VBSS. Murphy and Axe we not using Mk18's, they used CQBR M4A1's, which of course would have A2 grips and used for laser designators. I know it's splitting hairs but the CBQR and Mod0 were used by entirely different personnel for different missions. William Hey William, thanks for the info, and good point. Is there any functional difference between the two besides the lowers they were put on? Seems like Mod 0s and CQBR block 1s were almost exactly the same parts? Nope, and yes. I'm pretty sure Crane built the CQBR as well though Augee would be the go to guy for that info. The Mod0 and Mk12 were born of the same parts hence the A1 lowers that were destined for scrap. I've never seen a CQBR in person but handled many a Mod0 on the Erie, CG-70. The question pertaining to rhs side of a CQBR would be yes they have SAFE SEMI AUTO on both sides, as all M16A2 through M4A1 have. One thing I have noticed though is that they are mostly low serial range, W3XXXXX-W4XXXXX. Perhaps they (and the Block II) are from the original SOPMOD program? William |
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Originally Posted By schaz42:
Nope!! I'm pretty sure Crane built the CQBR as well though Augee would be the go to guy for that info. The Mod0 and Mk12 were born of the same parts hence the A1 lowers that were destined for scrap. I've never seen a CQBR in person but handled many a Mod0 on the Erie, CG-70. The question pertaining to rhs side of a CQBR would be yes they have SAFE SEMI AUTO on both sides, as all M16A2 through M4A1 have. One thing I have noticed though is that they are mostly low serial range, W3XXXXX-W4XXXXX. Perhaps they (and the Block II) are from the original SOPMOD program? William View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By schaz42:
Originally Posted By TinyCrumb:
Originally Posted By schaz42:
The only grip on Mod0's were A1, they were surplus M16A1 lowers and we had no lasers of any kind, the Mod0 was used on onboard ship for VBSS. Murphy and Axe we not using Mk18's, they used CQBR M4A1's, which of course would have A2 grips and used for laser designators. I know it's splitting hairs but the CBQR and Mod0 were used by entirely different personnel for different missions. William Hey William, thanks for the info, and good point. Is there any functional difference between the two besides the lowers they were put on? Seems like Mod 0s and CQBR block 1s were almost exactly the same parts? Nope!! I'm pretty sure Crane built the CQBR as well though Augee would be the go to guy for that info. The Mod0 and Mk12 were born of the same parts hence the A1 lowers that were destined for scrap. I've never seen a CQBR in person but handled many a Mod0 on the Erie, CG-70. The question pertaining to rhs side of a CQBR would be yes they have SAFE SEMI AUTO on both sides, as all M16A2 through M4A1 have. One thing I have noticed though is that they are mostly low serial range, W3XXXXX-W4XXXXX. Perhaps they (and the Block II) are from the original SOPMOD program? William Thanks William. more programming in the works. |
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Originally Posted By wayfaerer320: I apologize to everyone if I am solely responsible for (according to AR-Ryan) "ruining" the original Mk18 thread. View Quote I know my "clone" isn't perfect, but I always thought it was close enough (being that it has a color filled lower). Anyway, if it was my fault that things went to hell I am sorry. Just one of those unfortunate series of events. Personally I don't think it was all your fault. Unfortunately I think this will always be an ongoing problem with these types of clones. I totally agree with Augee that some strict definitions and standards need to be set from the get go and in the OP. Otherwise it'll eventually end up just like the other one.
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Originally Posted By TinyCrumb: Hey William, thanks for the info, and good point. Is there any functional difference between the two besides the lowers they were put on? Seems like Mod 0s and CQBR block 1s were almost exactly the same parts? View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By TinyCrumb: Originally Posted By schaz42: The only grip on Mod0's were A1, they were surplus M16A1 lowers and we had no lasers of any kind, the Mod0 was used on onboard ship for VBSS. Murphy and Axe we not using Mk18's, they used CQBR M4A1's, which of course would have A2 grips and used for laser designators. I know it's splitting hairs but the CBQR and Mod0 were used by entirely different personnel for different missions. William Hey William, thanks for the info, and good point. Is there any functional difference between the two besides the lowers they were put on? Seems like Mod 0s and CQBR block 1s were almost exactly the same parts? I think Block I CQBR's used the RIS instead of the RAS found on Mk18's. At least some of them did. I'm sure Augee or someone else knows the particulars.
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Originally Posted By GreenSwamperin:
I think Block I CQBR's used the RIS instead of the RAS found on Mk18's. At least some of them did. I'm sure Augee or someone else knows the particulars. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By GreenSwamperin:
Originally Posted By TinyCrumb:
Originally Posted By schaz42:
The only grip on Mod0's were A1, they were surplus M16A1 lowers and we had no lasers of any kind, the Mod0 was used on onboard ship for VBSS. Murphy and Axe we not using Mk18's, they used CQBR M4A1's, which of course would have A2 grips and used for laser designators. I know it's splitting hairs but the CBQR and Mod0 were used by entirely different personnel for different missions. William Hey William, thanks for the info, and good point. Is there any functional difference between the two besides the lowers they were put on? Seems like Mod 0s and CQBR block 1s were almost exactly the same parts? I think Block I CQBR's used the RIS instead of the RAS found on Mk18's. At least some of them did. I'm sure Augee or someone else knows the particulars. I think they both used the RIS, bound to be a mix of them somewhere though. William |
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Originally Posted By schaz42:
The only grip on Mod0's were A1, they were surplus M16A1 lowers and we had no lasers of any kind, the Mod0 was used on onboard ship for VBSS. Murphy and Axe we not using Mk18's, they used CQBR M4A1's, which of course would have A2 grips and used for laser designators. I know it's splitting hairs but the CBQR and Mod0 were used by entirely different personnel for different missions. William View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By schaz42:
Originally Posted By LongTrang:
Originally Posted By TinyCrumb:
Originally Posted By schaz42:
• Laser: none on Mk18 Mod0 Updated the errors, thanks! You sure about the PEQ-2 though? I thought for sure I've seen quite a few in the wild Mod 0s with PEQ-2s. In addition to peq 2's add the peq5 visible laser. When you study the MK 18's of Murph and Axe, they are using them since the peq 2 was IR only. Also, I have a pic a fella running a DBAL. The only grip on Mod0's were A1, they were surplus M16A1 lowers and we had no lasers of any kind, the Mod0 was used on onboard ship for VBSS. Murphy and Axe we not using Mk18's, they used CQBR M4A1's, which of course would have A2 grips and used for laser designators. I know it's splitting hairs but the CBQR and Mod0 were used by entirely different personnel for different missions. William They look the same to me..... But hey....learn something new everyday. |
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Anyone have leads on a CQD Sling Mount ?
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MK18 Mod 0 is still my fav build of all time.
Keep the pics coming. |
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I'm just going to quote the late-great Colonel Sanders, who said, "I'm too drunk, to taste this chicken."
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Originally Posted By Splittiebus66:
M961 for your mod 0 list :) classic pics http://img.photobucket.com/albums/0603/Ekie12091941/Govt%20Carbines/qstnw0.jpg http://img160.imageshack.us/img160/4671/mk18mod01zv4.jpg View Quote That's actually a M962, not a M961, as it has the ARMS quick detach feature. The pic of the Navy arms room one also has a Surefire SW02 tail cap. |
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IIRC didn't LMT also make some of the uppers for the Mod 0's in 10.5" format?
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Originally Posted By wayfaerer320:
CQBR Block I: http://i222.photobucket.com/albums/dd222/chrisu5/Ax1.jpg http://media-cache-ec0.pinimg.com/736x/3e/d9/34/3ed934fb92e37326c06bd1153ef4c240.jpg http://img687.imageshack.us/img687/8610/post861256055772.jpg Mk18 Mod 0: http://media.militaryphotos.net/photos/albums/Midshipmen-Activities/abg.sized.jpg http://img84.imageshack.us/img84/3659/mk182cj5.jpg http://www.americanspecialops.com/images/photos/navy-seals/seal-mk18-hr.jpg View Quote Ok. Please someone help me understand this...comparing the base rifles (no accessories) what is the difference between a mod0 and a CQBR block 1? Is it the receiver? Auto vs burst? A2 hider vs nt4? I'm not trying to be an ass....i reallly want to know. I have wanting to clone axes rifle for some time now. |
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Originally Posted By LongTrang: Ok. Please someone help me understand this...comparing the base rifles (no accessories) what is the difference between a mod0 and a CQBR block 1? Is it the receiver? Auto vs burst? A2 hider vs nt4? I'm not trying to be an ass....i reallly want to know. I have wanting to clone axes rifle for some time now. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By LongTrang: Originally Posted By wayfaerer320: CQBR Block I: http://i222.photobucket.com/albums/dd222/chrisu5/Ax1.jpg http://media-cache-ec0.pinimg.com/736x/3e/d9/34/3ed934fb92e37326c06bd1153ef4c240.jpg http://img687.imageshack.us/img687/8610/post861256055772.jpg Mk18 Mod 0: http://media.militaryphotos.net/photos/albums/Midshipmen-Activities/abg.sized.jpg http://img84.imageshack.us/img84/3659/mk182cj5.jpg http://www.americanspecialops.com/images/photos/navy-seals/seal-mk18-hr.jpg Ok. Please someone help me understand this...comparing the base rifles (no accessories) what is the difference between a mod0 and a CQBR block 1? Is it the receiver? Auto vs burst? A2 hider vs nt4? I'm not trying to be an ass....i reallly want to know. I have wanting to clone axes rifle for some time now. I could be wrong, but I think the main difference is that the Mk18 Mod 0 is a complete weapon system - it was designed to be a complete rifle. Where as the CQBR is more of an upper that is an accessory piece (or replacement upper) in the SOPMOD kit - meaning, you've got a 14.5" upper and a 10.3" upper to use with the same lower. EDIT: Also, like the Mk12, the Mk18 Mod 0 is built on an M16A1 lower - the CQBRs would be M4A1 lower receivers |
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Originally Posted By wayfaerer320:
I could be wrong, but I think the main difference is that the Mk18 Mod 0 is a complete weapon system - it was designed to be a complete rifle. Where as the CQBR is more of an upper that is an accessory piece (or replacement upper) in the SOPMOD kit - meaning, you've got a 14.5" upper and a 10.3" upper to use with the same lower. EDIT: Also, like the Mk12, the Mk18 Mod 0 is built on an M16A1 lower - the CQBRs would be M4A1 lower receivers View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By wayfaerer320:
Originally Posted By LongTrang:
Originally Posted By wayfaerer320:
CQBR Block I: http://i222.photobucket.com/albums/dd222/chrisu5/Ax1.jpg http://media-cache-ec0.pinimg.com/736x/3e/d9/34/3ed934fb92e37326c06bd1153ef4c240.jpg http://img687.imageshack.us/img687/8610/post861256055772.jpg Mk18 Mod 0: http://media.militaryphotos.net/photos/albums/Midshipmen-Activities/abg.sized.jpg http://img84.imageshack.us/img84/3659/mk182cj5.jpg http://www.americanspecialops.com/images/photos/navy-seals/seal-mk18-hr.jpg Ok. Please someone help me understand this...comparing the base rifles (no accessories) what is the difference between a mod0 and a CQBR block 1? Is it the receiver? Auto vs burst? A2 hider vs nt4? I'm not trying to be an ass....i reallly want to know. I have wanting to clone axes rifle for some time now. I could be wrong, but I think the main difference is that the Mk18 Mod 0 is a complete weapon system - it was designed to be a complete rifle. Where as the CQBR is more of an upper that is an accessory piece (or replacement upper) in the SOPMOD kit - meaning, you've got a 14.5" upper and a 10.3" upper to use with the same lower. EDIT: Also, like the Mk12, the Mk18 Mod 0 is built on an M16A1 lower - the CQBRs would be M4A1 lower receivers Pretty much this ^ The Mod0 is afaik only used by the Navy onboard ship, the CQBR is seen with a host of accessories which we did not have when using the Mod0. A flashlight (M962) and a sling is all I was ever given. William |
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Ok...got it. Thanks for the clairification. Makes sense now why I see Luttrel and Dietz with M4's vs the 10.3".
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Originally Posted By wayfaerer320: Here's some more from the same set of images - title of the set is "U.S. Army Special Operations Command 2012 Capabilities Exercise, April 20." View Quote And close ups of the Glocks: I thought CQBR's used flash hiders?
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