Upper:
- Colt AF/Armalite M4 if rebuilt off SPR
- Colt Keyhole M4
- Keyhole Forge M4 black or FDE if full upper built by PRI

Barrel:
- Custom spun Heavy/SPR profile mid-gas from unknown blank
- Special Noveske 16" Recon, mid-length gas with custom heavier (~.742") profile in front of gas block for Ops Inc 12th Model, FDE coated (likely Duracoat, could be GunKote or Cerakote)

Gas Block:
- PRI .750 Black

BCG:
- Colt's M16 or other M16 contract replacement

Handguard:
- Precision Reflex 3rd Generation CF FF Handguard, rifle length, FDE [or Black if doing a full black upper but non-Noveske barrel]

CH:
- PRI Gas Buster M84 with military latch, black [Later pattern, no "welded" latch hotdog]
- Badger Ambi CH

Muzzle Device:
- Ops Inc 12th Model Brake and collar, and 12th Model suppressor

Scope Rings:

W/PRI Recce Rail:

- A.R.M.S. #22 Medium

- OPS rings

- Nightforce A107

- Badger 30mm Unimount

No Recce Rail

- LaRue LT-104

- A.R.M.S. #22 High

- Nightforce A203 (XX High) Or A110 (X High)

Bipod:
- Harris BRM-S with PodLoc
* A.R.M.S. #32
* KAC RAS bipod adapter
* LaRue LT-130 QD bipod adapter

- Atlas direct rail mount bipod BT-10
- LaRue LT-706/ Harris BRM-S combo
- VersaPods with ARMS #42 mount [claw or rubber feet]

BUIS:
- Black PRI [rarely if used if at all]
- ARMS #40 Standalone rear

Lower

Rcvr:
- Colt's or GM Hydramatic M16A1 (Anniston Depot markings on some)

Grip:
- A2
- Magpul MIAD
- Tango Down
- Ergo
- Sierra SPR

Trigger:
- Accuracy Speaks Full Auto Match
- KAC Adjustable F/A 2-stage
- Geissele SSF

Selector:
- DPMS Ambidextrous full-auto (old gen, ca 2000-2003 timeframe)
- Standard M16 style

Buttstock:
- ACE SOCOM Carbine or Rifle length - Gens 1-3
- SOPMOD Gen 1 or 2 [black or tan]
- Magpul
* ACS
* PRS
* CTR

Optics:
- Leupold 3-9x36 M3 TS-30A2 Illum Mildot
- Mk4 MR/T 2.5-8x36 M2 (with or without TS-30A2markings), Illuminated MilDot OR TMR reticle
- Leupold Vari-X III 3.5-10x40 LR, M3 turrets, Illuminated Mil-Dot reticle
- FDE Leupold Mk4 3.5-10x40, M2 turrets, Illuminated TMR (ala M110)
- S&B Short-Dot
- Bushnell SMRS 1-8
- Leupold Vari-X III LR M3 with Premier Reticles Gen 2 MilDot conversion [in LT-104 Mount]

Notes:

There are 3 rough iterations of the Mod H:

1)First handful were built at SOTIC armory directly by MSG Holland and another gentleman, using COTS parts ordered from Brownells etc. The one we can see closely had a black Colt Keyhole forged upper, black PRI Gen III handguard rifle length, and a black PRI Recce Rail. The barrel was unmarked, with a heavy/SPR profile, mid-gas, and OPS profile, and coated black. Only 2 of this type have been photographed, one of which may have actually had a Noveske barrel.

2)The second, larger grouping of Hollands were rebuilds of original SPRs. These can be distinguished as they all have FDE Gen III handguards, and retained the upper and lowers from the SPRs, often identified in that the upper and lower have matching worn rattlecan paint but the handguard is unpainted. Often the optics, suppressor, etc matched the upper/lower. These had the Noveske FDE barrels. Non rattlecanned ones you can identify by their uppers being Colt AF forgemark or Armalite (haven't seen one, but likely in the mix).

3)The third iteration apparently were assembled by Precision Reflex, with them supplying new parts for the entire upper. These had Keyhole forge contract uppers coated in FDE, FDE Gen III handguards, FDE Noveske barrels, contract M16 BCGs. These likely were supplied with the Recce Rails, maybe with PRI back-up irons as well (though apparently rarely even used).

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I would like to give a special thanks to 18E3V and Nikiel09 for the information about the "Holland" program that they have given over the years in the MK12 thread.  I would also like to thank HaveBlue83 and the other members  who helped in creation of this thread

There is a wheeled fsgb in the EE right now. Not for the Holland I know but since a lot of the same guys are in here that also watch the mk12 thread I thought I'd bring it to your attention. Not mine by the way. Mine is safely on my mod 0 where it will always be.

Cut a spacer/crush washer out of 5.56 brass for my Gen 1 Ace SOCOM. 5.56 brass is the perfect diameter to make a DIY spacer. The stock is no longer adjustable, but my LOP is set now for me. I don't mind a fixed stock, and this solves the problem that is SOCOM's weakness. Plus, IMHO, the spacer is aesthetically pleasing too.

Would it be just totally unacceptable to run the Reece rail and the larue mount? I'm putting a nightforce on my Holland and it's in a larue mount. I have non leverstop rings too so I could go either way. Rings and rail OR larue mount. But I really like the look of the rail and I want to use the larue mount so does anyone use both? Is it too high?

Well, the Recce rail and LaRue mount both solve the same problem of bridging the gap. I'd pick one, not go with both. And yes, in my opinion, it would be too tall.

 
i made this fucker a stock and a lockout spring spacer....and then he spills the beanzzzzzzz on my cheat code.


u bastid!

My cheat code expanded improved upon your cheat code. Don't be jelly. Besides, you spilled the beans about your lock out spring on the previous page. Come at me, Blue!

waking this place back up with some fresh loaded ammo




 

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Damn that's beautiful, I live in the wrong place

Saw this pic in the Block II thread:

BUIS on top to.

Good find I've never seen that one before and definetly the first one with buis.

thats from 5ths last deployment iirc. i had it and lost that before it got to my files. its a good one

Is that a PRI front sight and an ARMS rear?

I was thinking the front looked like a Troy.  But maybe I'm wrong.  But yeah, I'm pretty sure that's an arms rear.  It looks like the one that was used with the rail, integral.  I think it was a #38 maybe????  

Obviously this is not a mod H . Just showing the rail and rear sight.  



Wait, the Mod 0's use them, don't they.  Duh.  

It's a PRI front sight, found a match.

There you go.  I was wrong.  Nice catch.

So we should be seeing some clones here with the buis soon.  Won't be me though as I don't have quick release scope mounts

What barrels is everyone using? I know of bison arms and ba, didn't  know is there was anything out there contoured correctly in 1/7 that would shoot better then the bison?

BA here.

I have a Douglass

Pri has a Douglass barrel and a bergara barrel that have the cuts as well

Word, lemme know how the buttpad works out.
 

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Load that trunk and the one next to it into my truck please.

I'll take the tub of Elcans.

That's the one I think I like the best. If anything, you could sell off a bunch and fund several nice builds.

i have a WOA barrel in the correct heavier profile and its nasty accurate.

Blue, do you know if this profile differs from the BA one? If so, do you have a pic or any explanation of the differences?

the BA looks a lil thinner. EDIT see below

I have the BA barrel.  At first I didn't like that it was so thin, but it makes the rifle so handy when the can is out.

 






sorry...there were a few guys in here running the non spr profile from ba with ops cuts. i guess like Postal said...less weight. but they have a heavier spr profile one. its similar to the WOA profile. as long as its spr heavy behind the gb it will be like the holland ones.....and the non noveske we speculate is a pri 1/8. ba is also both 1/8 and why i didnt get one. my woa is 1/7





WOA spr (what mine looks like behind gb area)



 

For some reason I always forget about WOA, but they are damn good barrels.  I built my father in law a SPR with the 18" version and it shoots lights out, great customer service as well.

Good post HaveBlue

Where are you guys finding the WOA barrels? I don't see them listed anywhere on their site.

 
Twitchy had a run of 10 made a year ago from them to his specs. i got one of his last ones off his site. he site isnt up anymore. it was $200 and im glad i grabbed one


 

They are really good about working with customers.  If you want one I'd call them up and see if they could turn one, I bet they would

Damn my wallet hurts lol did the holland rifles ever use a fixed stock like tge mk12's? Were the rifles ever in anyone elses hands other than seals?

No, this was a specific rifle built for a specific unit.  

To our knowledge no fixed stocks were ever used, though as Haveblue mentioned a page or two ago the Gen 1 ACE stocks wear out pretty fast and some members have made them into fixed stocks, but that wasn't the initial purpose behind that stock.

Unless they changed their tune, they won't turn a single barrel to your spec.  10 was the minimum order and the lead time was about 3-4  months.  I tried pretty hard to get them and/or PRI to put them into a periodic production runs, but they didn't see the point.  

Well, I guess it's Bison, CLE, or BA for a barrel then.

I see bcm makes the upper with pri tube how close is it to being correct?

And the 16" Bargara on PRI's website, and a Douglass barrel from High Caliber Sales are also options.  

You could always try to get 10 people together to do a run on a WOA barrel.

Honestly, any of the mentioned barrels are going to shoot very well. My original Mod-H barrel was a Bison back when they were pretty much the only show in town and it shot lights out, I'm doing an accuracy test on a BA barrel and it's looking promising, and my current CLE barrel is just fantastic.

I thought they were Army builds.  5th SFG.

I am going with Kevin and his Douglas 16" barrel heavy profile. Same barrel he uses to build his Navy Recce upper with.

How close to correct are the bcms? They have one with the pri tube...

I don't think so.  The FDE one still needs that longer lower rail, but really I don't think any of the 16" BCM barrels are profiled for the OPS break and collar, I could be wrong but I don't think that I am.

That's correct, sorry I missed that part. Yes, the H was build specifically for the 5th SFG

iluvm86: Great barrel choice, I have one of his MK12 uppers and am constantly impressed with it's accuracy and precision.

Holland's were run by SF ODA's only and yes, Magpul PRS in black or FDE is your fixed / rifle-length option.

 
as close as a yugo is to a ferrari. only way you will get a decent mod h complete upper is to ship PRI an ops long collar and brake and have them put it on their barrelled pri tubed upper or call adco to do similar. and both will brolly NOT have a clone correct marked BCG or upper rcvr....and that shit will irk ya if you are going for dead nuts.


mine is built from parts. i cant imagine my cost if i actually paid someone LOL.

All you guys are killing my wallet! I tried really hard to stay out of here but couldn't do it. I haven't even finished my mod 0 yet and I have already started collecting my spare parts to put a holland together. At least I can get some use out of that vltor now....haha