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Posted: 6/10/2018 12:23:24 PM EDT
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Branching off from the normal Recce Rifle Thread for just legit clones. These have the most varying setups of all the clones, I believe. There is no hard data listed for every piece of equipment on these rifles. Only ITW photo's and some small lists of procurement from NSW. I have outlined the parts used most commonly but there are plenty of versions that are not covered in this list. The ITW one off photos of an already one off setup can be cloned using the parts visible in the photo!
There are 5 major types of these clones. All are built on Colt receivers except the 416 variant. Details are below NSWDG RECCE RIFLE: Optic: 2.5-10x24 Nightforce Rings: Nightforce A110 Piggybacked Optics: Jpoint, T1, or Insight MRDS. All using the respective mounts for each either using Wilcox NF ring cap. NF/Wilcox RULR cap, or 30mm tube mounts. Handguard: KAC FF RAS Rifle Length Barrel: Mystery Manufacturer. is 15.1" in length and uses the Ops Inc brake and collar Suppressor: Ops 12th Model(AEM5 kosher too) Bipod's: Atlas BT10 or Harris 6-9 Pistol Grips: A2, Ergo Deluxe, or DPMS VFG: TD VFG or Magpul AFG2 Stocks: SOPMOD or CTR NSWDG 416 Recce: Optic: Nightforce 2.5-10x24 or Nightforce 1-4x24 Piggybacked Optic: Jpoint and Insight mounted in Wilcox Ring Cap or Insight 30mm Mount/Cap. Rings: Nightforce A110, or Unimount. Larue LT101 Riser Handguard: Factory HK Barrel: 13"? Chopped HK barrel with Ops Collar and Brake, 14.5", or 10.4" HK Muzzle Device: AAC 18T, BE Myers 249F, or Ops Brake Suppressor: Ops 12th Model or AAC 416SD Pistol Grips: TD or HK VFG: TD, Grip Pod, or KAC Stocks: SOPMOD, CTR, Vltor, or Factory HK OG NSWDG Recce: Optic: 2.5-10x24/32 Nightforce or Leupold Vari-x/MK4 series Rings: Nightforce A110's, A203's, Leupold MK4, or KAC 1.4/5" Piggybacked Optics: Jpoint in Wilcox NF mount. NF RULR Mount for RULR Handguard: KAC FF RAS Rifle Length and Medium Length Barrel: Lilja 17" SS Muzzle Device: KAC M4QD or BE Myers 249F Suppressor: KAC M4 QDSS CORNCOB Bipod's: Harris 6-9 or Grip Pod Pistol Grips: A2 Stocks: SOPMOD or CTR Delta Recce: Optic: S&B Short Dot Rings: Larue LT101 Riser, Larue Rings Handguard: KAC MRE Barrel: 14.5 M4A1 Colt Muzzle Device: KAC M4QD Suppressor: KAC M4 QDSS CORNCOB Pistol Grips: A2 VFG: Gangsta Grip Stocks: SOPMOD or Car AFSOC 416 Recce : Optic: S&B Short Dot, NF 2.5-10x32, or Leupold 1-6 MK6 Rings: Larue LT104, NF Unimount, or Leupold MK6 Handguard: Geissele SMR or Remington RAHG Barrel: 14.5 HK Muzzle Device: Surefire 212 Suppressor: Surefire 212 with SOCOM locking collar Pistol Grips: HK VFG: Stubby Stocks: CTR Bipod: Atlas ISSUED GUNS: NSW RECCE NSW 416 RECCE: Attached File OG SEAL RECCE: DELTA RECCE: AFSOC 416 RECCE: CLONES: |
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Originally Posted By LsuJon: DEVGRU https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/316069/IMG_5293_png-3119985.JPGhttps://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/316069/IMG_5294_png-3119986.JPG View Quote looks like UTCXii |
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Originally Posted By LsuJon: DEVGRU https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/316069/IMG_5293_png-3119985.JPGhttps://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/316069/IMG_5294_png-3119986.JPG View Quote Is that a BAE dazzler? |
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Originally Posted By Subpar: Is that a BAE dazzler? https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/147863/265672EA-B470-49A8-8FAD-96F31EBE1827-3120015.jpg View Quote Me thinks yes. |
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Looks like a .300BLK with how close that gas block is to the receiver? Which IG are those pictures from?
Also, any idea on the can? |
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Originally Posted By methical20: Looks like a .300BLK with how close that gas block is to the receiver? Which IG are those pictures from? Also, any idea on the can? View Quote Was told the can is either sig or Wilson combat. Pictures of that can had leaked awhile back ago but didn't show much. |
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Originally Posted By methical20: Looks like a .300BLK with how close that gas block is to the receiver? Which IG are those pictures from? Also, any idea on the can? View Quote Sig. I'd bet my paycheck that the serial starts with LVAWSDxxxx. Same can on their AAC MPWs, which is what that gun looks to have started out as prior to a barrel and rail swap. |
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Originally Posted By Subpar: Is that a BAE dazzler? https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/147863/265672EA-B470-49A8-8FAD-96F31EBE1827-3120015.jpg View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By Subpar: Is that a BAE dazzler? https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/147863/265672EA-B470-49A8-8FAD-96F31EBE1827-3120015.jpg B.E. Meyers Izlid. Looks similar to the Glare Mout but has a chonkier body. Glare for comparison. |
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God will not look you over for medals, diplomas, or degrees – but for scars
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They sure like their long .300blks lol
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Originally Posted By M4A1SOPMOD: Yeah, the 1000yd guns lol. What ammo are they using? Black tip i assume for supers and what for subs?? View Quote From what I've seen evidence of, they're still using Black Hills loads for both. 110gr barnes for supers like you mentioned and 201gr subs. IIRC the 201gr subs are a Lehigh ME bullet. The bullet is fairly hard to get a load of commercially but they also make a 194gr ME bullet that theoretically performs the same or at least serves the same purpose. I standardized on it for "serious" subs and then use S&B 200gr for training. |
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Originally Posted By TinyCrumb: From what I've seen evidence of, they're still using Black Hills loads for both. 110gr barnes for supers like you mentioned and 201gr subs. IIRC the 201gr subs are a Lehigh ME bullet. The bullet is fairly hard to get a load of commercially but they also make a 194gr ME bullet that theoretically performs the same or at least serves the same purpose. I standardized on it for "serious" subs and then use S&B 200gr for training. View Quote @TinyCrumb Is this the 194gr Lehigh you're loading? Looks nasty, and expensive Mind sharing your load data for it? I've been thinking about trying to make some subs that are more than just plinkers with my go-to 220gr SMK seconds or the 200gr Berry's plated, both of which ice pick through with maybe a bent tip or ever so slight mushroom. |
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Originally Posted By towerofpower94: @TinyCrumb Is this the 194gr Lehigh you're loading? Looks nasty, and expensive Mind sharing your load data for it? I've been thinking about trying to make some subs that are more than just plinkers with my go-to 220gr SMK seconds or the 200gr Berry's plated, both of which ice pick through with maybe a bent tip or ever so slight mushroom. View Quote That is the correct bullet, yes. Also same bullet, just 7 grains lighter, as the FBI/JSOC load that Black Hills does. I don't load my own ammo however, I only shoot factory ammo. Just haven't really had the time to dive in to that. I stocked up on Underwood's loading of it but Wilson Combat also does one as well: https://underwoodammo.com/300-aac-blackout-7.62x35mm-194gr.-maximum-expansion-solid-monolithic-hunting-self-defense-ammo/ https://wilsoncombat.com/300-blackout-194gr-lehigh-me-20-box.html They are expensive, but that's why I think having a less expensive plinking go-to, like the S&B 200s, works well. |
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That 300 might be slightly exaggerated on distance but I hope this CLE Douglas (6mm ARC) I'm about to build up into a NSW will be every bit of a effective 1000yd rifle.........
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Originally Posted By LsuJon: I mean you could've just cloned DGs 6ARC rifle View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By LsuJon: Originally Posted By AWHAILYEAH: That 300 might be slightly exaggerated on distance but I hope this CLE Douglas (6mm ARC) I'm about to build up into a NSW will be every bit of an effective 1000yd rifle......... I forgot I put the 6 arc barrel in my Block II Recce so it's gonna be a 556 gun................ |
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Originally Posted By TinyCrumb: That is the correct bullet, yes. Also same bullet, just 7 grains lighter, as the FBI/JSOC load that Black Hills does. I don't load my own ammo however, I only shoot factory ammo. Just haven't really had the time to dive in to that. I stocked up on Underwood's loading of it but Wilson Combat also does one as well: https://underwoodammo.com/300-aac-blackout-7.62x35mm-194gr.-maximum-expansion-solid-monolithic-hunting-self-defense-ammo/ https://wilsoncombat.com/300-blackout-194gr-lehigh-me-20-box.html They are expensive, but that's why I think having a less expensive plinking go-to, like the S&B 200s, works well. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By TinyCrumb: Originally Posted By towerofpower94: @TinyCrumb Is this the 194gr Lehigh you're loading? Looks nasty, and expensive Mind sharing your load data for it? I've been thinking about trying to make some subs that are more than just plinkers with my go-to 220gr SMK seconds or the 200gr Berry's plated, both of which ice pick through with maybe a bent tip or ever so slight mushroom. That is the correct bullet, yes. Also same bullet, just 7 grains lighter, as the FBI/JSOC load that Black Hills does. I don't load my own ammo however, I only shoot factory ammo. Just haven't really had the time to dive in to that. I stocked up on Underwood's loading of it but Wilson Combat also does one as well: https://underwoodammo.com/300-aac-blackout-7.62x35mm-194gr.-maximum-expansion-solid-monolithic-hunting-self-defense-ammo/ https://wilsoncombat.com/300-blackout-194gr-lehigh-me-20-box.html They are expensive, but that's why I think having a less expensive plinking go-to, like the S&B 200s, works well. Thanks. Might pick up a box or two of those LH 194s after I do some research. |
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Originally Posted By towerofpower94: Thanks. Might pick up a box or two of those LH 194s after I do some research. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By towerofpower94: Originally Posted By TinyCrumb: Originally Posted By towerofpower94: @TinyCrumb Is this the 194gr Lehigh you're loading? Looks nasty, and expensive Mind sharing your load data for it? I've been thinking about trying to make some subs that are more than just plinkers with my go-to 220gr SMK seconds or the 200gr Berry's plated, both of which ice pick through with maybe a bent tip or ever so slight mushroom. That is the correct bullet, yes. Also same bullet, just 7 grains lighter, as the FBI/JSOC load that Black Hills does. I don't load my own ammo however, I only shoot factory ammo. Just haven't really had the time to dive in to that. I stocked up on Underwood's loading of it but Wilson Combat also does one as well: https://underwoodammo.com/300-aac-blackout-7.62x35mm-194gr.-maximum-expansion-solid-monolithic-hunting-self-defense-ammo/ https://wilsoncombat.com/300-blackout-194gr-lehigh-me-20-box.html They are expensive, but that's why I think having a less expensive plinking go-to, like the S&B 200s, works well. Thanks. Might pick up a box or two of those LH 194s after I do some research. The 201s do some amazing work on the intended targets. The 194s are effectively the exact same, so I would assume they would have the same terminal effects |
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My first clone build was my NSW 15.1 a few years ago with a Douglas CLE and I will never sell it. Still haven't shot the OG Seal Reece with the Lilja Barrel. Thanks to this group I have Reece Fever.
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Originally Posted By beefboi99: My first clone build was my NSW 15.1 a few years ago with a Douglas CLE and I will never sell it. Still haven't shot the OG Seal Reece with the Lilja Barrel. Thanks to this group I have Reece Fever. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/452881/IMG_4412_jpeg-3129056.JPG https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/452881/IMG_4415_jpeg-3129051.JPG https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/452881/IMG_4655_jpeg-3129054.JPG View Quote More RAS less MI! |
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Not a Tennessee Squire
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Any idea of the specifics of Dev’s GFR? Scope, barrel length, suppressor, etc
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The photos I've got of the new 6arc setups currently at the squadrons are 16"-18" barrel, optics are atacrs and the cans are currently the AAC 416SD but they're currently testing a replacement from a newish company
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Originally Posted By TheGreatDanton: The photos I've got of the new 6arc setups currently at the squadrons are 16"-18" barrel, optics are atacrs and the cans are currently the AAC 416SD but they're currently testing a replacement from a newish company View Quote Are they running a 5.56mm can with 6mm ARC ammo? Is that possible with the 416SD? |
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The rifle appears to be the 6arc rifle could be 16" 556 but it's def the 416SD, I know the trial rifle the Geissele had a different can that one may have been dead air. I'll see if I can get answers.
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Originally Posted By TheGreatDanton: The rifle appears to be the 6arc rifle could be 16" 556 but it's def the 416SD, I know the trial rifle the Geissele had a different can that one may have been dead air. I'll see if I can get answers. View Quote think you may be mistaken the. 416sd for a tan sd6n. Edit for clarity, we are referring to two different pics lol |
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Originally Posted By TheGreatDanton: The photos I've got of the new 6arc setups currently at the squadrons are 16"-18" barrel, optics are atacrs and the cans are currently the AAC 416SD but they're currently testing a replacement from a newish company View Quote Do you recall which ATACR on the 18”? |
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Originally Posted By stickyheat: Do you recall which ATACR on the 18"? View Quote Attached File |
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Originally Posted By LsuJon: Here is one of the few publicly available pics, also use the Leupold mk6. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/316069/IMG_5241_jpeg-3136508.JPG View Quote That looks like an NX8 |
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Originally Posted By LsuJon: Trial gun was oss. think you may be mistaken the. 416sd for a tan sd6n. Edit for clarity, we are referring to two different pics lol View Quote I was mistaken, the setup I'm looking at is 16" and not the new 18" 6arc setup. The one I'm looking at is another setup currently being trialed. I apologize for the mistake. |
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What is the correct rail for the afsoc 416 recce?
They have the mk15 and the regular SMR. Also ddc or black? Edit: looks like it’s probably the OG 416 SMR. Alternate question. Has the NSW 416 recce ever been seen with a surefire can? |
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Originally Posted By LsuJon: It's in the "fresh cut slides" pic, it's an sig can. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes It is not a sig can. Originally Posted By Flyit14: What is the correct rail for the afsoc 416 recce? They have the mk15 and the regular SMR. Also ddc or black? Edit: looks like it’s probably the OG 416 SMR. Alternate question. Has the NSW 416 recce ever been seen with a surefire can? No, dev used(s) AAC & Ops Inc cans on their 416s. If you're referring to the chopped barrel ones, they're Ops Inc 12th models. |
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Originally Posted By LsuJon: Then what can is it? @usnguns is saying it is a sig View Quote If it's a sig can it's custom and same with the noveske barrel since it looks direct thread and noveske barrels don't have the tapered shoulder. It doesn't look like a normal can seen with the LVAWs. Like I have an SRD762TI-10 and it's too short and wide to be the can in question. The other SRD direct thread cans are also way too long to be the can in the pic. Same thing if it's a recent picture and somehow that's a new SLX/H can, it would have to be a not commercially available can because all the 7.62 offerings don't seem to match up in apparent length. |
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Originally Posted By Omega9000: If it's a sig can it's custom and same with the noveske barrel since it looks direct thread and noveske barrels don't have the tapered shoulder. It doesn't look like a normal can seen with the LVAWs. Like I have an SRD762TI-10 and it's too short and wide to be the can in question. The other SRD direct thread cans are also way too long to be the can in the pic. Same thing if it's a recent picture and somehow that's a new SLX/H can, it would have to be a not commercially available can because all the 7.62 offerings don't seem to match up in apparent length. View Quote Also, just like lvaw cans, it's not on the civilian market (at least I have yet to come across it). |
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You guys need to get your history books out lol!!
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Originally Posted By TinyCrumb: You guys need to get your history books out lol!! View Quote That would be a great book idea. The cloning encyclopedia. anyway, I can't make out the can. For a second I thought it was the DA Sandman can but the can in question is wider, probably 1.6X-1.7X" width. That and it looks direct thread or the FH QD makes it look that way, sort of like the B&T FH and the Rotex III can on the HK417. give us a hint TC! |
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Originally Posted By Omega9000: That would be a great book idea. The cloning encyclopedia. anyway, I can't make out the can. For a second I thought it was the DA Sandman can but the can in question is wider, probably 1.6X-1.7X" width. That and it looks direct thread or the FH QD makes it look that way, sort of like the B&T FH and the Rotex III can on the HK417. give us a hint TC! View Quote I think you guys are talking about two completely different rifles. But let's keep talking about the cool one TC is talking about and less about that sig canned Midwest railed abomination. |
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Originally Posted By Omega9000: That would be a great book idea. The cloning encyclopedia. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By Omega9000: That would be a great book idea. The cloning encyclopedia. Kevin B & Ian have been working on a suppressor history book that I think is about 90% complete, and I'm guessing a lot of relevant stuff to this conversation will be in there when it comes out. Originally Posted By Omega9000: anyway, I can't make out the can. For a second I thought it was the DA Sandman can but the can in question is wider, probably 1.6X-1.7X" width. That and it looks direct thread or the FH QD makes it look that way, sort of like the B&T FH and the Rotex III can on the HK417. give us a hint TC! The best hint I can give you is that it would be a mistake to assume that because something says "LVAW" on it that it came from Sig. A handful of companies participated in that solicitation, Sig just happened to win a contract. The can was never released and sold to the civilian market though, so don't get your hopes too high. The history aspect of it is really fun but just like most things JSOC, cloning is not easy. |
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Originally Posted By Eyekahn: I think you guys are talking about two completely different rifles. But let's keep talking about the cool one TC is talking about and less about that sig canned Midwest railed abomination. View Quote I'd totally build that abomination lol. The KAC URX rail and SDN6 is heavy. |
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