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Posted: 2/17/2003 11:16:57 PM EDT
As my needs in gear become more high-speed, I keep watch for little tweaky things that will simplify my life or make it easier. I need to be able to trust my life and the lives of others with my equipment, and I can't waste my time or money on B.S. doo-dads, fancy slings that tie themselves in knots, silly mag clamps, or anything that gets in the way or simply does not work. My life could be lost or saved by my reactions to a given situation, and I cannot risk any questions when it comes to the performance of my gear.
Here's something I ran across recently here, and couldn't wait for the release date. I was fortunate enough to receive a set of Dark Parts rail covers for evaluation, courtesy of John Carney, from Excalibur Arms (He posts here as Bandit-ExcaliburArms, website www.sr-25.com). I immediately tried them out on a few different rifles, and left them on these, a Bushmaster w/ Knight's RAS, and a DPMS w/ Knight's RAS. The DPMS is part of my standard load out. I have an Olympic FIRSH tube on my "varmint" gun, and these also work on it, with no modifications at all. These are polymer rail covers, overmolded with soft yet stiff rubber. Very similar to the process Hogue uses, it looks like. They lock onto the rails very securely, I'd say they're more secure than the Knight's covers, with NO rattles at all. They really stay in place. The benefit to the overmolding is GRIP. These things are so non-slip it's not funny. wet hands, dry hands, muddy gloves, chocolate, bloody mess, whatever. They have a very matte finish, so no reflections. No rattles, so no sound. no slip, so no dropping the weapon unintentionally. That's 3 variables removed from my rifle, quickly and easily. Anyway, I could write for days and it would only get more boring. Here's the part you're looking for, the pics: Standard gear: A little closer view: The rail cover itself: I give these covers 3 thumbs up out of a possible 3. |
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I'm technically "unemployed".
I do have preban firearms also, I just don't beat on them the way I do these. Out of the 7 or 8 ARs that I own these two get the most use, especially the DPMS in the foreground with the EO Tech.. [This was a reply to a post that's been deleted] |
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My age is 31. As to your other questions, I'm just like everyone else. I sit behind the computer and pretend I'm Rambo. [:)]
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Quoted: My age is 31. As to your other questions, I'm just like everyone else. I sit behind the computer and pretend I'm Rambo. [:)] View Quote "Flare launcher! You can bring flare launchers onto a plane!" [flame] |
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"The benefit to the overmolding is GRIP. These things are so non-slip it's not funny. wet hands, dry hands, muddy gloves, chocolate, bloody mess, whatever."
Never underestimate the lubricity of melted chocolate and bloody messes! Nice pics though- I thought people bought the KAC RAS for the "cool" KAC pannel covers : ) I'm in the Infantry (Army National Guard) but I rarely mention that life depends on it stuff [I volunteered to deploy when they asked about Iraq but I'm still here so I guess that means I'm not going. I stopped saying that stuff about the time that I realized the Governor only sends support MOS's to war (they try to give us stuff like homeland security because they don't think were combat-effective, but we are- they're just too liberal to ever look in on training to see for themselves.) |
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Maybe I should've skipped all the late night blah blah blah stuff and gotten straight to the point...
I consider the Dark Parts panels to be an improvement over the Knight's design, or anyone else's. I will continue to use them. Simple. To the point. [:)] |
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Quoted: Can these be cut to fit like the Knights panels? View Quote Yes. I haven't cut any of mine, but John says it's been done sucessfully. More info [url=http://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=7&f=22&t=150862&w=myTopicPop]Here[/url]. |
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aww look at all the pretty posed gear. now clean those boots, get a real gasmask and there is never EVER dropping of weapons cute spongy grips or not. [:D]
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The only Israeli mask I ever had worked (proper seal and all)
I have had 3 USGI masks issued to me and none that would maintain a good seal without my hands holding the mask on. I like the older vietnam style with cheek filters- those masks allowed the user to breath- the new USGI masks are very restrictive and many people nearly hyperventilate wearing them (it never lets you feel like you are getting any oxygen). I could only wonder what it would be like to wear one when scared and out of breath. |
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I've got 3 of the israeli ones, and the one I've used has sealed up perfect and worked well. If I breathe in deep with the seal still on the filter, my eyes start bugging out of their sockets. There's no air getting in anywhere but through the filter, period. If someone else needs something fancier, fine for them. I believe this will work for me.
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11-bravo - when I first became a firefighter in 1984, we had a self contained breathing apparatus (SCBA) manufactured by Scott Aviation that absolutely would not give you enough air if you over-exerted. When I became an officer and accepted the responsibility for my guys, I took to making them run around the station, up stairs, etc with the SCBA on....
NO ONE OF THEM could resist the urge to pull the mask from thier face. Some house fires are toxic enough to drop you in one breath... I know, found out the hard way and got lucky, the mask sealed on my unconscious face... I agree with you 1000%, equipment will kill you if you don't ID it's limitations before you need it. |
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Quoted: Those look pretty sweet. Where did you get them? View Quote Read. Comprehend. Post. [;)] Excalibur Arms. [url]www.SR-25.com[/url], or [url]http://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=7&f=22&t=150862&w=myTopicPop[/url] |
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I am a little confused how you got the panel cover on the top rail... Did you need to put this on before you put the RAS on the upper? If so, I assume you can't clamp the upper half to the barrel nut? OR, do these panels attach in a way that is different than the KAC panels?
[img]http://photos.ar15.com/ImageGallery/IG_LoadImage.asp?iImageUnq=7164[/img] I am not sure why somebody would want a cover there BUT I am curious just how you did it! |
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I slide mine on from the back of the upper no problems. As for having a pannel cover there I put mine on to protect the rail when not in use.
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pyro0021's reply is correct. I actually removed the top half of the fore-end, put the cover on, replaced the top half, then slid the cover enough to get to the screw. I tightened the screw, then slid the cover back over it.
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Quoted: *** EDIT TO NOTE Overlap in POST *** So, you can not slide these panel on from the upper receiver end... For a second, I thought I was missing a concept! View Quote Sure you can, just not with a BUIS and electronic sight installed. You could remove them, slide the cover over the upper and the rail, then replace them. On an A1 or A2 upper, you'd have to install the cover to the rail system before installation of the rail system. [b]Same thing with the Knight's rails.[/b] |
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OK... I am slow today!
So you slip it onto the flattop rail and slide it forward over the RAS rail... Thanks for the advise. It's just that this is the first time I really noticed someone using covers on the top rail and given that I never remove my optics or BUIS I never played with a cover on top... I still doubt I would do it with my own uppers but each to their own! Great looking weapons just the same! |
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What the hell does all that writing on the grips say???--Can anybody translate BORG??????[(:|)]
Intresting never the less..... |
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It doesn't translate directly, so depending on your interpretation, it says either "comfortable grip", or "secure grip", or "sticks to your hand".
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Quoted: Can these be cut to fit like the Knights panels? View Quote The manufacturer is now ready to supply pre-cut panels in commonly used lengths. |
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I'm not much of a panel fan, but these are truly the most comfortable I have tried. I do wish they opened them up in the center with some venting holes for cooling ability for the continued overall weapon performance, instead of trapping hot air like the KAC panels do.
Good Shootin, Jack |
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Can they be painted?
Further to "Jack's" comment - could you drill them with 1/4" holes ever 1/2" or so down the centre? I have seen that done to KAC panels... |
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Has anyone who used these noticed if they make the gun feel very thick? I saw a pait at the Shot Show, I dont even remember what type of handguards they were on, but I do recall feeling like it was really thick.
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Quoted: Has anyone who used these noticed if they make the gun feel very thick? View Quote According to measurements I took in 3 different places, the total difference in thickness between the DP panel and the Knight's panel is less than 0.100. Makes for a total diameter difference of less than 1/4" if panels are used on both sides. I like it. |
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Quoted: Can they be painted? Further to "Jack's" comment - could you drill them with 1/4" holes ever 1/2" or so down the centre? I have seen that done to KAC panels... View Quote Yes, they can be drilled. A brad point wood bit works well. They can be painted, but I don't know how well it will adhere. These were painted with Rust-Oleum fast-dry satin enamel, after scrubbing the surface with acetone and a toothbrush, to remove all traces of mold wax. I'll rough them up after the paint cures, to see if it lasts. Another possibility is to lightly brush the surface with a fine wire brush, to create more of a mechanical bond. BTW, the manufacturer can produce these in any color. [img]http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid52/pb2ed07626602f89573da2305d46e080e/fc945b9b.jpg[/img] |
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Actually, it's a deep dark secret...I could tell you, but then...:-)
It's actually Run-in-to-Home-Depot-and-grab-least-glossy-camo-like-sprays. |
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Quoted: Has anyone who used these noticed if they make the gun feel very thick? I saw a pait at the Shot Show, I dont even remember what type of handguards they were on, but I do recall feeling like it was really thick. View Quote Neil, these panels ended up on almost every rail at the SHOT show at one time or another, and there were a lot of them. You might have picked up a carbine at DPMS's booth. We put a set on one of their display guns. Their rail is fatter than a KAC RAS, and most others I've tried. As Treetop said, these panels are slightly thicker than Knight's. I just had an inquiry from a military officer who is interested. Some of his soldiers don't like using a vertical grip, but can't get an adequate grasp on the standard issue rail panels . He feels that the fatter rubberized panels might be the answer. Tha designer and manufacturer welcome feedback from users. An awful lot of thought and planning, plus lots of testing, went into this product before it's release. Even so, if they see a way to make this fine product even better, they will. [url]www.SR-25.com[/url] |
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Bandit,
I was being silly - but curious to see what colors they can be molded into. I glued some of the sandtraps from my CADPAT pants onto the RAS panels and it seems to work - plus it added a needed texture. |
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I'm waiting on some BowFlage to get here, I'll probably be camoing at least one carbine with these panels on.
I'll get some pics up when I get done. |
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[img]http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid54/p9eeeda71166b9030a644f068a77621da/fc8abaa6.jpg[/img]
Dark Parts [red][b]ULTIMATE GRIP[/b][/red](c) Rail Panels For when there's only one perfect fit... The manufacturer is now offering pre-cut panels in six standard lengths, by special order. [url]www.SR-25.com[/url] |
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TRY THE RUSTOLEUM CAMO PAINT KIT AT WAL-MART.
PAUL E HAS DONE SOME NICE WORK WITH IT. WES |
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I'm running a group purchase special on the panels. Details in the Equipment Exchange.
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