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Posted: 12/29/2005 8:02:37 PM EDT
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I'm also interested in hearing more news on this system. $300 seems a bit steep for a system that elevates almost all of the flattop (a la SIR).
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Posted: 12/29/2005 10:13:05 PM EDT
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I saw one briefly at a show in Houston. Aside from the elevated rail height (which may or may not be an issue with you) it was super-nice.
If I were to buy a railed handguard that elevated the rail height, this would be the one. |
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Posted: 12/30/2005 5:37:55 AM EDT
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We need Hawkeye to chine in here.
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Posted: 12/30/2005 6:03:15 AM EDT
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If your into rails that go over the receiver I think these are great (like them better than the SIR). They are well made and simple to install.
C4 www.GRTactical.com |
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Posted: 12/30/2005 8:24:00 PM EDT
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IT DEFINITELY HAS SOME INTERESTING FEATURES:
 AS PREVIOUSLY STATED, SIMPLE TO INSTALL. LOWER PORTION QUICKLY AND EASILY REMOVES FOR M203 APPLICATION. RAILS CAN BE ADDED WHERE NEEDED ... OR LEFT OFF WHEN NOT. FRONT SIGHT TOWER IS SHROUDED. NO MORE TRIANGULAR BURNS ON THE LEGS DURING TRANISITION DRILLS. I THINK THE MOST UNIQUE THING, THOUGH, ARE THE RAIL OPTIONS AT 4:30 AND 7:30:  SHOOTERS WITH SMALL PAWS - REJOICE!!! WES GRANT MSTN.BIZ |
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Posted: 12/31/2005 3:41:29 AM EDT
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Wow Wes. Didn't notice the "slanted" rail attachment points. Does VLTOR make this in their traditional tan/coyote brown? That shade seems a bit lighter.
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Posted: 12/31/2005 6:18:47 AM EDT
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THE COLOR IS MORE SPECIFICALLY K-G KOTE FLAT DARK EARTH. IT'S A GOOD MATCH WITH THE STOCK. WE HAVE THEM IN STOCK. WES GRANT MSTN.BIZ |
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Posted: 12/31/2005 8:32:33 AM EDT
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The cantilever mounts have one marked advantage over the current crop of handguards, that being that they do not use the barrel nut as an attachement point. As you know, the nut was never intended to support the type of load that a handguard mounted to it generates and causes excessive flexing at the front of the receiver, in relation to the CL of the barrel and bolt bore.
This flexing is attributed to the rash of breaking bolts that we are seeing in the field. The "over rail" systems for the most part do not put stress on the barrel nut. Given the increase in reliability, I would take the raised rail height (usually run a spacer anyway) any day. I also love that CAS-V is trimmer and the rails can be taken off/moved... I really don't need a linear yard of rail and would rather not have the front of my rifle feel like a cheese grater. Reinforced reciever designs are available, but cost considerably more than fifty bucks and in the one example that I know of require a shop to do a barrel change. |
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Posted: 1/1/2006 8:25:18 AM EDT
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Do you guys think the elevated rail would pose a problem mounting a decent scope? I plan on shooting out to about 200 yards, so I probabaly won't go with a huge scope, but can anyone tell me if there would be any possible problems as far as scope mounting?
Also, how much of a hinderence is the front sight post when looking through a decent scope? |
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Posted: 1/1/2006 8:51:52 AM EDT
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WITH THE CORRECT HEIGHT RINGS IT WOULD BE FINE.
I'D SUGGEST EITHER TWO LARUE RAS II AIMPOINT MOUNTS OR A SET OF ARMS #22 MEDIUM RINGS. BOTH ARE 1.15" ON AXIS. THE FRONT SIGHT SHOULD NOT PRESENT A PROBLEM. WES GRANT MSTN.BIZ |
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Posted: 1/1/2006 8:57:26 AM EDT
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Posted: 1/1/2006 9:58:15 AM EDT
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Thanks for the pics Wes. That is kind of along the lines of what I have in mind. What scope is that anyway?
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Posted: 1/2/2006 5:45:29 AM EDT
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I have been running an IOR M2 on my CASV. I am using IOR medium QD rings. They ride high enough to clear my BUIS. I like the IOR rings but they are a bit heavy. I need to find a good deal on a set of ARMS or Larues medium rings.
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Posted: 1/2/2006 8:35:52 AM EDT
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The shroud on the front looks like a good idea for the application that JoeS40 suggests...it would serve to protect the PRI gas block/flip front sight (especially when folded), which is not as strong as the standard fixed gas block/front sight base.
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Posted: 1/2/2006 2:23:13 PM EDT
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Thanks for the replies guys. Like I said this is my first build and I'm trying to get it all planned out before I order everything. Providing I can mount a decent scope to reach out to about 200 yards with no problems looking over the front sight post, i think I will go that route.
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Posted: 1/2/2006 2:45:11 PM EDT
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One more thing I just thought of. Would a taller front sight post be needed since the back up rear sight would be mounted higher?
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Posted: 1/2/2006 3:53:06 PM EDT
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NIGHTFORCE 2.5-10X24 NXS. IN STOCK. WES GRANT M.S.T.N. |
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Posted: 1/2/2006 4:04:18 PM EDT
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There's space at the end of the rail for the sight to mount directly to the Upper, not on the elevated rail. |
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Posted: 1/2/2006 5:15:00 PM EDT
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I now notice that, thank you.
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Posted: 1/2/2006 10:00:26 PM EDT
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Am I correct in understanding the CASV-EL will NOT co-witness with an EOTech?
Looks like Aimpoint is fine though. |
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Posted: 1/3/2006 2:16:31 AM EDT
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The EOTech will not co-witness. The Aimpoint will. You are correct.
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Posted: 1/3/2006 3:24:56 AM EDT
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"Guns & Weapons for Law Enforcement Magazine" did a spread that imcluded the Vltor review
By Charlie Cutshaw, one of the best arms review writers anywhere. He does come across in this one as a bit of a sales rep, but the content and pix are 100% |
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Posted: 1/3/2006 8:57:03 AM EDT
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I SECOND WHAT YOU STATE REGARDING CUTSHAW. HE IS ONE OF THE BEST. WES |
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Posted: 1/3/2006 2:10:14 PM EDT
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I cant comment on the newest ones, but, the early versions that I got from Abrams (before they merged with VLTOR) to check out, were VERY nice. I still have one on my fathers rifle. Very well made and very user friendly. I wouldnt hesitate to use one on a new build.
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Posted: 1/3/2006 2:17:29 PM EDT
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I was just cleaning up some stuff and found an original Abrams midlength system all brandy new! Probably one of like single digits made -- It is very nice, but may have to go on the EE anyway! |
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Posted: 1/3/2006 2:32:51 PM EDT
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I have a CASV-EL on my Diemaco barrlled upper. This is one light weight unit with a lot of excellent features. the open airy handguard is perfect for a gas piston system and I think the POF will fit under pretty nicely... Of course someone might just release gas upper that will work with the CASV-EL.
The quick release lower rail is a good idea, it allows for easy cleaning... The rail is designed to snap into your delta ring and it is a cinch to install, it took me about five minutes to tighten all the allen screws and get the rail on my upper. the rail on rail concept is not my favorite, but it is the rigid platform with out having to pay for a LMT MRP... no other rail system besides the ARMS SIR can claim that. screw recepticle on the handguard allows for multiple mounting location besides the standard 3, 6, 9, 12 o'clock postion. EOTech can't co-witness, but you are good to go with an Aimpoint or a Tri-power. the rail is 1913 Spec.....unlike some other rail system on the market.. did I mention light weight.. I will post pics tonight... I really like the CASV-EL... it is definitely a worthy purchase if you are looking for a instead on free float rail that also convert your upper into a rigid platform. |
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Posted: 1/4/2006 3:55:07 AM EDT
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I had a midlength as well. It too was equally nice. After I had a chance to check it out for a bit and compare it to the carbine ones, I let it go to a good home since I didnt have a midlength gun to put it on at the time. |
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Posted: 1/4/2006 4:39:15 AM EDT
[#28]
There seemed to be some interest in a midlength version of this rail in MSTN's VLTOR CASV thread in the EE. I wonder why VLTOR hasn't released one yet.
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Posted: 1/8/2006 11:38:49 AM EDT
[#29]
Does anyone know how much the rail is elevated over the reciever rail?
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Posted: 1/8/2006 5:25:41 PM EDT
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Posted: 1/8/2006 5:28:19 PM EDT
[#31]
I was just talking to Eric about this the other day. They've been so busy with MIL orders that they've had no time to really work on the mid length again. I believe we will see one in the next few months, however. |
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Posted: 1/8/2006 6:57:38 PM EDT
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The real reason for the removable lower is obviously to take a M203.
Simon |
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Posted: 1/8/2006 7:30:54 PM EDT
[#33]
 How much does the new model weight, the new model that hooks around the front sight model ?
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Posted: 1/10/2006 7:33:16 AM EDT
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I bought an M4gery upper when I really wanted a middie. I installed YHM drop-in rails and ladder-style protectors, knowing all the while that I wanted a smooth forend with a minimum of cheese-grater because I don't need said cheese-grater. Let's just say that I leap before I look. Impulse buying has always been my weakness.
The good news is that I might, just might, be able to talk myself into one of these forends for that next build. They are a bit high in price, but I like that the rails are removable and that the weight is supported by the receiver's rail, not the barrel nut. All of the other smooth/modular forends I have seen, and really like, work off of the barrel nut. They might be cheaper, but... I'll look forward to seeing if they produce a midlength unit in the next few months. If not, I'll just have to sell the YHM piece and buy a Vltor. 
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Posted: 1/15/2006 9:49:03 PM EDT
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There's no way to mount an EoTech on one of these babies?! Damn, I wished they'd mentioned that on the website when I ordered one last week :(
Crap, I guess it' going back as I far perfer my EoTech to a Aimpoint. j |
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Posted: 1/15/2006 11:14:21 PM EDT
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APPROX 14 OUNCES, PLUS WHATEVER RAILS YOU CHOOSE TO INSTALL. WES GRANT M.S.T.N. |
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Posted: 1/27/2006 11:47:29 AM EDT
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I've had mine for a few days now, and here are some of my initial impressions/thoughts:
- The clearance between a LaRue LT152 mounted Aimpoint and the top rail is such that if you flip the front cover down it will obscure just about all of the front sight post when aligning the irons. I imagine it's worse with lower mounts like the ARMS and KAC. - This handguard system may not be the best solution if you don't use a vertical grip. Unlike the SIR, it's of all aluminum construction and thus will conduct heat to and from your hands much more readily. Gloves might aleviate this issue. - Installation was a piece of cake. - No problems installing the TangoDown verticle grip, almost like it was designed to fit this rail spec... Anyway, here's where mine ended up:  |
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Posted: 1/27/2006 1:47:37 PM EDT
[#38]
Looks great! |
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Posted: 1/29/2006 4:09:24 PM EDT
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I got my CASV from Mooneys Firearms a little while ago. Sturdy, light, easy as heck install.
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Posted: 1/29/2006 8:30:32 PM EDT
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I resisted these for a while, not because of quality but just felt that the rail on rail design wasn't the greatest. Honestly if you want to run an Eotech it's not, but if you're running an Aimpoint I have to say I'm convinced after handling this one for a while that it's a great option. Can't beat the ease of install, stability of the cantilever design and typical VLTOR quality.
 J |
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Posted: 1/29/2006 9:35:33 PM EDT
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Does anyone know for sure if this rail system will fit on a POF piston upper. One of my buddies has one and I have to say it will run and gun with the best of them. No problems yet. The only prob I have is the predator rail system. I like it. I just don't like that I can't take it off myself. |
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Posted: 1/30/2006 4:53:46 AM EDT
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SEVERAL VERY HIGH QUALITY PIX, GUYS.
IT SEEMS THAT VLTOR IS OUT OF CASV-EL'S AT THE MOMENT FORTUNATELY, WE ARE NOT. WES GRANT M.S.T.N. |
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Posted: 2/2/2006 12:18:17 AM EDT
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If I put rear and front BUIS, will this allow proper co-witness with a EOtech?
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Posted: 2/2/2006 4:55:19 AM EDT
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This is one is designed to use the standard front sight tower. Mounting a front sight on the rail would make it to high for the rear sight, which is and should be, mounted on the receiver. |
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Posted: 2/10/2006 5:03:58 PM EDT
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I'm thinking about getting an accucam for my eotech so it could be removed quickly if it failed. Also does anyone know how well the OD version matches the Magpul and Tango Down OD? Aside from the eotech problem I REALLY like this rail system, and will probably end up getting one soon.
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Posted: 2/11/2006 10:04:44 AM EDT
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How is the height for the scope you have mounted? Cheek weld non-existent with the higher rail? |
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Posted: 2/11/2006 10:16:04 AM EDT
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I have played with one of CMMG's ones, It was nice but the fact i can't cowitness my eotech rules it out completly.
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Posted: 2/11/2006 12:26:35 PM EDT
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Cheek-weld is fine for me. No odd contortions to get a proper cheek-weld. |
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Posted: 2/25/2006 1:01:29 PM EDT
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Too bad the EoTech will not mount properly.
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Posted: 4/2/2006 6:21:25 PM EDT
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Hello,
How would a TA31 in a Larue mount work with the CASV-EL? I am curious about the position as far as ones cheek weld. Would the scope in the Larue mount be too high? ct602 |
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