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Posted: 8/6/2004 2:31:29 PM EDT
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What exactly did you get? XM855, XM193?
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Posted: 8/6/2004 2:38:00 PM EDT
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"Actual, current over-run of U.S. military rounds from Federal®!
Some of the SS109 M855 bullets have the distinctive Green tip markings, others have been cleaned. 62-gr. FMJ, brass-cased, Boxer-primed, reloadable. " http://www.sportsmansguide.com/cb/cb.asp?a=140094 This is a copy/paste from the ad on SG. I'm not sure what I got. It's LC brass. The bullet is magnetic. No green tips, and certainly not cleaned. This ammo is usable, but I thought I was getting new off the presses ammo. |
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Posted: 8/6/2004 2:45:35 PM EDT
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I'm very far from an expert but it is my understanding that real military ammo will not be pretty. The case necks may be discolored and the brass kind of dirty looking.
I'm sure you'll get a much better informed answer shortly.
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Posted: 8/6/2004 5:59:59 PM EDT
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This is what you have, XM855 from SG. My shipment actually looks pretty good; shoots even better. I hope you used online discount coupons and a membership for best pricing.
Also the pic in the SG listing is incorrect.  The XM193 rounds from SG looks like this: 
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Posted: 8/6/2004 6:09:58 PM EDT
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My XM855 from Sportsman's Guide came without the plastic bag. Shot great, no problems, grouped about as well as my XM193, and the POI/POA difference from one to the other was negligble out to 200 yds.
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Posted: 8/6/2004 6:42:01 PM EDT
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I recieved some today that was XM193PD and it was in the 500 rounds bulk pack. The carton said for training use only. Anyone know why? And what does the PD stand for?
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Posted: 8/6/2004 6:52:57 PM EDT
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I'll save you some time:
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Posted: 8/7/2004 12:26:21 PM EDT
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I'm sure it's shootable ammo. Even with the discounts the price is to high for the condition of the ammo I got. I was under the impression it was new grade "A" ammo from Lake City by Federal, and I paid a higher price to get that.
kensteele, if you are satisfied with what you got then great! I'm not at all satisfied and SportsmansGuide has agreed to take it back. And I appreciate that very much. I also got 800 rds of the Aussie .308 and it is exactly what I expected. |
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Posted: 8/7/2004 6:59:01 PM EDT
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That's cool, the SG people are pretty nice overall. I used to live in Minnesota so I used to go to their store and I've been shopping at SG for many many years. It's good to know they'll refund you if you aren't satisfied.
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Posted: 8/8/2004 7:43:14 AM EDT
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I've ordered LC-XM193 from three different vendors over the past few years. All the the cases were unpolished and a decent percentage of the cases were slightly dented. I was used to seeng comercially-offered "sporting" ammo, so initially this worried me. After shooting several thousand rounds without any problems I learned to ignore the appearance and appreciate the performance.
Don't worry about it... shoot up and enjoy. |
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Posted: 8/8/2004 6:13:43 PM EDT
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I'm certainly not worried about it's performance, I'm just not used to paying .20+ per round for floor sweepings and 2nds. If that ammo was selling for $125-150 range it would be about right.
I've bought lots of surplus, military, etc. ammo from time to time and I know the difference between it and commercial hunting ammo. Here again, each to his own and I'm certainly not trying to talk anyone out of buying this stuff. I'm just expressing my dislike of it and I think anyone wanting it should know what it really is, because SG is not telling the Whole story about this ammo. And I'm sure if I had asked they would have told me all about it. I just didn't know I had to ask to get the whole story. |
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Posted: 8/9/2004 7:14:26 PM EDT
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"Q. What is with this goo and the dings on my Lake City Rounds?
Lake City doesn't bother to polish ammo after it's loaded. Occasionally you'll see dings or excess sealant on the casings of Lake City ammunition, particularly the Federal XM193 that Lake City has produced of late. Sometimes the ammo looks downright beat up. It's generally not anything to be concerned about and shouldn't impact performance. Still, most distributors will offer to take the ammo back if it's in that condition. Check to see if your vendor has a return or satisfaction guaranteed policy if you're really worried about pretty ammo. You can also send it to the AR15.com staff "Ugly Lake City Disposal Facility" and we will be happy to render each and every round safe." www.ammo-oracle.com/body.htm#chamb |
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Posted: 8/9/2004 7:16:38 PM EDT
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Bottom line, appearance should not affect perfomance, just shoot it and be happy.
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Posted: 8/12/2004 7:16:50 PM EDT
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Posted: 8/14/2004 6:30:15 PM EDT
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Q. What is with this goo and the dings on my Lake City Rounds? What is this discoloration on the necks of my Q3131A? Did someone take a blowtorch to it?
Q. What is the best M193 to get? Lake City is among the best of M193. I don't shoot much M855 (M193 performs better for self defense) but I assume quality is similar. You shouldn't think of it as "seconds" or anything of the sort. The Lake City M193 at least is some of the best ammo out there. It is very reliable, performs well and goes bang when you pull the trigger. In many weapons its reasonably accurate. Why are you set on M855 though? What's the purpose of the ammo you are buying exactly? |
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Posted: 8/16/2004 7:28:23 AM EDT
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I wouldn't buy from them, their stuff is usually junk.
I bought XM193 ammo from wholesalehunter.com At the time, they had a hell of a deal, $ 2.99 per carton. Shipping was may $ 12.00 for 500 rds. I bought 1,000 rds of the bat. They've since gone up just a bit, so check them out. Fired 300 rds the other day, all was digested eagerly by my Oly Arms carbine. |
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Posted: 8/16/2004 10:19:19 AM EDT
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You don't honestly believe that ammo from SG is actually "Sportsmansguide" ammo, do you? |
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Posted: 8/16/2004 1:31:59 PM EDT
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knot_rite, you obviously don't know what you are talking about. It's not who you get it from but what you get that determines the quality of ammo. SG has been a reliable online source of quality surplus ammo of all calibers for years. Why don't you tell us what experience you base this opinion on? Mine is based on tens of thousands of rounds purchased from them over the years. |
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Posted: 8/16/2004 1:48:39 PM EDT
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I've purchased 3000rds of Federal Lake City XM193 from Sportsmans during the last year, all of it has been very good. It was identical to the case I ordered from Ammoman. SG's Australian & Port .308 has been fine too. Why would SG's ammo be junk when all the retail vendors get this ammo from the same wholesale vendors  |
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Posted: 8/16/2004 6:47:57 PM EDT
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I've shot more xm193 through my M-4 and varminter than any other rounds, approx 1500 rounds. I just got another 500. It don't look good but will group 3/4 to an inch at 100 yards from the varminter. The stuff is boxed in 20 round boxes as pictured and I would imagine Sportsman Guide is selling the same exact stuff I'm getting $87.00 for 500. The stuff is 1st class ammo and it might not be polished like Black Hills but shoots just as good at 100 yards.
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Posted: 8/16/2004 7:18:26 PM EDT
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this question might be out of place.
but how many rounds are packed in a sealed factory case? 1000? or 500? the picture of the federal xm. is that two 500 cases? |
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Posted: 8/16/2004 8:07:59 PM EDT
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You are correct, the Federal XM from SG comes in two separate 500 round cases. |
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Posted: 8/17/2004 9:20:51 AM EDT
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XM193 55gr
www.sportsmansguide.com/cb/cb.asp?a=47461 M855 62gr www.sportsmansguide.com/cb/cb.asp?a=140094 www.ammoman.com also has the Lake City stuff at good prices |
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