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Posted: 3/4/2006 4:28:39 AM EDT
what is the purpose of the big plastic plate with loop on it?
Why does it exist?  what was wrong with regular plates?
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Posted: 3/4/2006 5:07:20 AM EDT
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Like the original "Magpulls"; to ease of removal, assumedly under stress, of the magazine from the magazine storage device ie. pouch, chest carrier , etc. While the original Magpulls had the loop oriented parrallel to the round in the magazine, requiring the operators/shooters finger to be inserted inside the loop, the new "Ranger plate" allows 2 directions; 1 in line w/ the rounds by grasping the magazine w/ 2 fingers 1 on each side of the tab, and across the direction of the round, by inserting 1 finger inside the loop. Both methods allowing the end user to carry the magazines in question in whichever type Mag. carrier he/she should choose. GI style w/ the rounds oriented facing away from the user or chest carrier style w/ the rounds parrallel to the body facing L to R, R to L, twd the center line or "Gig-Line" of the body.
BTW- As much as many of us like and use them, and as much as they may decrease our own individual reload times, they are only truely appreciated after seeing Richard Fitzpatrick of Magpul execute a tactical reload from a mag carrier using his products. His relaods are lightning fast and incredibly well practised. Truely a sight to see and goal to strive for. /S2 |
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Posted: 3/4/2006 5:24:59 AM EDT
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I don't get ANY of the silly accessories that MagPul makes. I'm stunned at what people will buy for their ARs. Nothing is wrong with the regular plates. MagPul is MASTERFUL at creating a perception that there's a need for their plastic stuff. I commend them. This is America. Go for it. But they aren't getting any of my money for their nonsense! |
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Posted: 3/4/2006 6:41:27 AM EDT
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"I don't get ANY of the silly accessories that MagPul makes. I'm stunned at what people will buy for their ARs."
Wow, markm you are about to be burned at the stake for blasphemy  . You will be condemmed by the church of Magpul and spend the rest of eternity watching green followers being jammed by pencils and screwdrivers. From your spot in Hell you will see the earth rotate not around the sun but yes a magpul follower and ye will know the truth that there is but one God.Seriously, I think their stuff is better but the idea that it is "must have" and "everything else is junk" is a little too much....."But if your life depends on your equiptment"......how many times have I heard this?? Probably less that 1% of people on this forum have ever carrieds a weapon in a situation where their life was in danger. Most own them for recreation like a set of golf clubs. People should buy what they want but they don't need to be shoved down our throats. |
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Posted: 3/4/2006 8:48:26 AM EDT
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I know! I know! But anyone sticking pencils and such in their mags need a Three Stooges slapping! |
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Posted: 3/4/2006 9:48:02 AM EDT
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I really like them when shooting without a bipod and using the magazine as a monopod.
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Posted: 3/4/2006 12:47:30 PM EDT
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You will appear to be more of the HSLD, tactical, TEOTWAKI, SHTF-type of guy to the other bobbleheads at the range. They will thoroughly be impressed and the cost of Magpul and other "tactical" ad-ons will suddenly be well worth it. At least that's my observation. Do you get it now? 
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Posted: 3/4/2006 2:06:43 PM EDT
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Seeing that we don't really do any advertizing other than post on this site and a few others I don't really see how our marketing is that masterful. Hell the MIAD grip has been out for over a year and still haven't gotten instructions or packaging for it yet! We build items that are based upon our way of thinking and they often do not jive with other peoples thinking, like MarkM. This doesn't mean he is wrong he just thinks different than we do. |
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Posted: 3/4/2006 2:09:26 PM EDT
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Good explaination. |
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Posted: 3/4/2006 2:10:29 PM EDT
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That was one of the reasons for the Ranger shape. |
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Posted: 3/4/2006 2:31:36 PM EDT
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I know we never have used any statements such as "must have" and "everything else is junk" and "But if your life depends on your equiptment", as marketing or stated in a post such as this. We also do not denagrate those who sell gear that selss directly against us. At our booth in the Shot Show we have a standing rule that no negitive comments will be made by our staff regarding anyones elses product. This doesn't stop us from pointing out technical details like something is longer or shorter but we leave it up to the customer to decide if this information matters to them. Our standing rule is use what works for you. If you think our products suck or do not fill the requirement you expected then send them back to us and get your money refunded. This is how we have built our business and will continue to do so. |
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Posted: 3/4/2006 3:03:04 PM EDT
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Thanks for remembering. For the 2005 amd 2006 Shot Show I had a good group of people helping me and I didn't do any demos. In 2005 I even wore a suit to stop me from jumping in and demoing. Prior to that I did the 1999-2004 Shot Shows totally on my own which included set up, tear down and all demos. After four days of doing speed and tactical relodas every 3-4 minutes you get rather quick. |
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Posted: 3/4/2006 3:35:27 PM EDT
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Thanks for posting here, Richard, and many thanks for the quick reply to my email on the PRS stock QD sling release plate, which many of us are waiting for. The overwhelming majority (99.9%) of AR fans I have communicated with think your products and your company sets the standard by which others should be judged, and we appreciate it! Edwin p.s. Give our buddy Kasey at Accushot a nudge to get his PRS specific monopod on the market. |
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Posted: 3/4/2006 4:01:23 PM EDT
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Sorry if you misunderstood. I wasn't refering to your marketing in anyway nor was I accusing you guys at Magpul of ANYTHING. I was just commenting on the general attitude of some on this forum that everything having to do with a black rifle is "life and death" and "only the best will do" and I was truly trying to make my point in a funny and light hearted way but some people around here take things a bit too seriously, but everyone has a right to spend their money as they see fit. I think you make some very clever products and hope you are successful and continue to be innovative and sell millions of products  l
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Posted: 3/4/2006 6:22:01 PM EDT
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From my standpoint, I bought some Ranger Plates to try them out after seeing Richard jumping in here and elsewhere to offer his thoughts and ideas. Running a multi-million dollar business isn't easy, and to take time out of the day to speak with ordinary joes like frequent these boards....well, that's just being neighborly and should be supported. Putting good vibrations out into the world is never a bad thing!
Do I need Ranger Plates? Nope, not one bit. Do they serve any purpose for me? Not unless the protect the mag when I accidentally drop it on the deck. Was it a good purchase? Well, I can honestly say that I did get my money's worth. What more could I ask for? I've heard a lot about the MIAD grip, but I won't be buying one because I don't need it and it doesn't serve any purpose for my shooting style. If it had a soft rubber overmolding like the hogue grips, I'd be on it like a duck on a junebug! There are some Lumpy Plates in my future, again because Richard listened to a board member's idea and ran with it. If anything, the Lumpy Plates serve my needs better than the Ranger Plates. However, discrimination is illegal according to Federal Law and I feel compelled to abide by that regulation and welcome both into my home with open arms. My next mag purchase will be a Tenpack from 44mag or Bravo Co. There's a very good chance that said magazines will come with MP followers. For the cost, there's really no reason to not. I guess, all said and done, I'm buying Magpul because Magpul talks to me when I inquire. I'm not a SEAL or the like, but I'd still like to think I'm somewhat worth listening to. |
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Posted: 3/4/2006 7:19:22 PM EDT
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EXACTLY!!! "Look at me Syndrome" is what one of my instructors calls it. I will concede that Magpul has one non-frill item in their line. The buttstock with the adjustable L.O.P. and COMB is actually functional for the precision shooting crowd. Although I've never seen one, I'm assuming it's a quality unit. w00t! |
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Posted: 3/4/2006 7:22:05 PM EDT
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Mark is special, but we still love him 
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Posted: 3/5/2006 3:51:37 PM EDT
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Wish I had come up with Magpul's line, or one of the many others making a killing here. 
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Posted: 3/5/2006 6:35:13 PM EDT
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Both of you sound a little jealous maybe if you spent more time at the range practicing instead of checking out all the other guys and their gear you would feel better about yourself's........ 
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Posted: 3/6/2006 7:02:13 AM EDT
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I really cannot respond technically to statements such as "silly", "trinkets" or "clique-ish". All the items we make serve a technical purpose. Again the original Magpuls have been in general release since 1999 and the para cord loops have been used worldwide since before I was born. The rangers are a natural evolution of the Magpul with unique benefits over other options including using nothing at all. I wrote a 28 page manual with over 100 illustrations explaining the benefits of training with the original magpuls and havee included a copy in PDF form here... Original Magpul Manual PDF Please also refer to our US utility patents 6,212,815 + 6,634,131 + 6,481,136 + 6,748,689 for further information on the function of magazine loops. |
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Posted: 3/6/2006 10:45:45 AM EDT
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I have never seen such a collection of meatheads in my entire life! I dare postulate that anyone that cannot see the utility of Magpul's products is someone that has never used the AR series of rifles for anything other than digging holes in the berm. If any of you naysayers had spent even one minute in the service of your country using a rifle as a tool to kill people that are trying to kill you, you wouldn't be so quick to cast doubt on the usefulness of Rich's products. While I'm sure a lot of his customers are hobby shooters like yourselves, I'm willing to bet that his product line was built around our professional soldiers and law enforcement officers. As such, they aren't always going to be a useful product for the wannabe weekend warrior.
Please get a clue and don't open your suck without engaging your brain first. Stephen |
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Posted: 3/6/2006 11:20:00 AM EDT
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Edwin if you don't mind me asking (pm the answer if you need to), what was the response to a QD sling release plate for the PRS? I was working on shooting positions and my Turner AWS was in dire need of moving in a couple instances, and I had thought of writing Magpul yesterday to ask that very question IRT a QD plate for the PRS stock. And yes, I am patiently waiting on an Accushot PRS ready monopod too! |
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Posted: 3/6/2006 11:28:50 AM EDT
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When I read people bad mouth Ranger plates (for instance), I instantly know two things about them. First, is that they have never dropped a mag on concrete and watched it separate. Second that they don't take training classes or shoot 3 gun and they don't wear some sort of chest rig (or other apparatus to hold their mags). If they did, they would realize how much easier it is to pull a mag out of a tight pouch and to do tac reloads.
Shooting off a bench is all well and good, but when actually start to run and gun, you will realize that a lot the things you made fun of are actually pretty good kit.  C4 |
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Posted: 3/6/2006 11:36:01 AM EDT
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+1 Any of you ever been doing "SPORTS" and smacked the mag hard and had it seperate while fully loaded and in the magwell? That instance alone, of having 20-30 rounds, a spring and a follower dropping at your feet will justify locking Ranger and L-Plates when it happens to you, let along the other positives.
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Posted: 3/6/2006 12:47:53 PM EDT
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While I don't buy everything Magpul makes, and I've even cursed them for not answering an email or two, Rich does know a little about what works and where things can be improved. Look at his CV. Making it through Parris Island in hard enough, let alone becoming a Recon Marine. Never met the man but I choose to believe his motive has plenty of concern for function combined with entrepreneurship rather than selling snake oil.
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Posted: 3/6/2006 4:22:12 PM EDT
[#25]
Ahhh Stephen.... your like Hallmark... you always have just the right sentiment....... 
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Posted: 3/6/2006 5:59:19 PM EDT
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I'm not a Kool-Aid drinker by any means. I can't stand the M93 line; I find them uncomfortable to use when shooting for an extended period. I am eagerly awaiting the CTR stock, however.
However, I find the original magpuls to fit the bill for my needs. As for ranger plates? Who knows they might work as well or better for me. Maybe one day I'll find out. The MIAD is quite simply the best pistol grip I've tried, and I've tried many, A1, A2, Ergo, Tango Down, G-27, Hogue, etc. Ever drop a partial mag and have the rounds get stuck with green followers? I have, and I wasn't even shooting. I was loading a mag, dropped it and had rounds nose dive. Freak occurance? Maybe, but I have only a couple of 30 round mags. So the Magpul followers were worth it. |
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Posted: 3/6/2006 8:08:15 PM EDT
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thanks guys. I get it now. Its all about speed reloading.
Thanks 
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Posted: 3/7/2006 4:15:39 PM EDT
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I don't need tactical aids anymore-I retired last year. But knowing about them and what they're for is good for anyone. And if I were in the sandbox wearing gloves all the time, I'd want something reliable to give me a grip on my mags when I really needed them; Magpul Ranger Plates sound like a great way to go there. |
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Posted: 3/8/2006 4:55:39 AM EDT
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I have no need for Magpuls, or most of the uber-tactical accessories available for the AR. It is nice to know that there is a ton of things out there that if I wanted to go nuts buying accessories I have many choices.
I do have a Magpul MIAD grip that I think is the greatest thing since sliced bread. |
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Posted: 3/8/2006 5:36:28 AM EDT
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Well, I have to say, that I did not used to shoot 3 gun.
Now that I have moved from communist controlled IL to GA, I shoot 3 gun. I have had followers jam up, and I have dropped mags on the ground, and watched them dent not explode. I have replaced ALL my followers with the GRAY Gen II Mag Pulls (Not sure why ANYONE would want the ORANGE ones, and have tried the Ranger Plates. I will be buying MORE ranger plates for sure! And I will be buying them from 44mag.com! This is a great board, and has invaluable advice. |
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Posted: 3/11/2006 10:40:26 PM EDT
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I like the original Mag Pul, I've found that using an original mag pull on both mags in a pouch can cause both mags to come out when trying to remove one because of the friction of the pulls against one another. By only using one mag pull per pouch or using the pulls on every other mag for mags stored in a can or 6 mag pouches the problem is eliminated. The ranger plates do not have this problem since they do not extend past the sides of the mags, they just drive up the cost of mags a bit more than I'm willing to pay. I only need one mag pul for every two mags I buy using the originals wich are only half the cost of the rangers to begin with.
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Posted: 3/11/2006 11:41:01 PM EDT
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I am not a high speed operator or anything of the sort, but I am into this as a sport and a hobby, and as such have found that some pieces of kit that I do not understand probably do not apply to me, or I haven't yet done enough research to decide which side of the fence I am sitting. Having said that, just because I do not understand a piece of kit, does not mean that for someone (not necessarily myself) it does not have purpose...... What C4 said: After I had 2 FN mags dropped on concrete and watched as they "spontaneously disassembled" themselves in a most spectacular fashion (they were both not repairable)..... my Ranger plates are on the way now..... They do serve a purpose other than being the "GQ" thing to have...... btw: they are also useful for high speed mag changes.... As for what Rich said earlier about "lines of thought" (Magpul Quote: "We build items that are based upon our way of thinking and they often do not jive with other peoples thinking, like MarkM. This doesn't mean he is wrong he just thinks different than we do.")..... I quite agree and will add nor detract from his posting...... |
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Posted: 5/6/2006 8:31:57 AM EDT
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I, too, am awaiting the the release of both these products. Is there a particular thread or mailing list I might be added to for contact once either of these products becomes available? |
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Posted: 5/6/2006 8:57:44 AM EDT
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What I don't understand is anyone here telling anyone that they dont need things like mag pulls, etc. That is the antigun and hunting only lobbies' mantra about our weapons. If you have a real review of a true verified negative of a product that someone wants or a person says "I'll be using a gun for this, do I need this", then tell them about it, if not STFU...
TS |
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Posted: 5/6/2006 9:41:16 AM EDT
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holy bump batman!
this thread "was" dead.
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Posted: 5/10/2006 7:55:37 AM EDT
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Hell, I'm just a keyboard commando, but I've also had the pleasure of dropping a mag on concrete and watching it explode in a shower of parts. They're probably not worth it in the long run for me, but if I were an pro, I'd have Ranger plate or Lumpy plates too. |
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Posted: 5/10/2006 8:04:35 AM EDT
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I was a recently converted.
Didn't own any, didn't care for them. Didn't understand them. Ran them on my mags for a carbine section of training....now I understand. Pulling mags, tac reloads, dropping them, shooting proned were some of the most advantageous characteristics of the ranger plate |
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