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Posted: 3/23/2006 11:35:59 AM EDT
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We really need to get to the bottom of this. I have twenty too and they are 12/05 as well. I have not test fired them yet, but feel like why bother, I almost know what is going to happen. Can we get some sort of poll up, including manufacture dates?
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Posted: 3/23/2006 11:46:01 AM EDT
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You know kids, I bought some of the high dollar ammoman pre-ban mags andI am glad I did. Interesting that the magazine Q&A thread above states that LaBelle mags made in the nineties pre-ban are the best. Well that is what I got from ammoman. So I paid more, but I got better quality. I will get home soon and I will test these D&H mags and may run to the range Friday. This really pisses me off and the board should organize and do something.
I did call 44mag and they say send em back if you got problems. |
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Posted: 3/23/2006 11:52:13 AM EDT
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I think he's done that for a few people already. Good man. Is it just the 12/05 batch? I just bought 10 but haven't opened them yet to see what they are stamped. |
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Posted: 3/23/2006 11:55:52 AM EDT
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TAG - I have several I haven't tried yet...
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Posted: 3/23/2006 12:15:15 PM EDT
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I've got about thirty out of thirty five that I haven't tested. Some from 44mag and some from Bravo Company. Some I know are okay. The rest???
TS 
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Posted: 3/23/2006 12:15:37 PM EDT
[#7]
Maybe we should chill out and just go home and test our mags this weekend. I've got some of the 12/05 D&H too. Really, we should be testing them before relying on them anyway.
dvo |
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Posted: 3/23/2006 12:27:47 PM EDT
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Dates don't seem to matter much, I've got some mixed 8-05, 11-05, 12-05. All wont chamber rounds reliably.
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Posted: 3/23/2006 12:44:13 PM EDT
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FWIW - I have two dozen 11/05 marked D&H mags with the magpull followers with zero failures. I have run all of them dry at least 3x.
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Posted: 3/23/2006 12:45:52 PM EDT
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Racer- that is part of the problem. Some mags from 12/05 are fine. The guy at 44 mag said D&H says it was one machine, so the problem is not across the board.
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Posted: 3/23/2006 1:06:32 PM EDT
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Are you trying those in more than one AR? Just curious... |
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Posted: 3/23/2006 1:14:37 PM EDT
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I order 8 from 44.mag
Talking about Mags not service 12/05 D&H Black 20rounders with GREEN Followers! mags are very SHARP like my L-UDT! They rattle when Loaded. Follower is easy to tilt. However they WORK PERFECTLY FINE!! No trouble what so ever in FEEDING!  and for the Price its HARD TO BEAT! WORK in my 14.5 M4 LMT and Bushwacher A1 Shorty 14.7HBAR I do LIKE my OLD COLT 20rounders With Metal Followers alot Better! They dont rattle and dont tilt easy. Other than that I cant say anything bad about the D&H Black 20`S 
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Posted: 3/23/2006 1:18:22 PM EDT
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What round mags are you talking about? 20 and 30?
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Posted: 3/23/2006 1:46:26 PM EDT
[#14]
Well, I changed the title of the Thread.
Let me clarify. I think the D&H 30 round Mags SUCK! Hope that helps. |
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Posted: 3/23/2006 1:51:24 PM EDT
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My D&H 30-round magazines have Magpul followers and Magpul Ranger Plates.
They work fine with 28 rounds, but have prolems with 30 - especially when inserted on a closed bolt. |
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Posted: 3/23/2006 1:54:09 PM EDT
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EVERYONE PLEASE LET US KNOW THE DATE STAMP ON YOUR MAGS.
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Posted: 3/23/2006 1:56:08 PM EDT
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Posted: 3/23/2006 1:57:11 PM EDT
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Posted: 3/23/2006 2:27:21 PM EDT
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All four of my D&H had problems the first time I used them, but work fine now. Once I cycled them a few times, they all worked like a champ.
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Posted: 3/23/2006 2:32:21 PM EDT
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Nope, I only own 1 Bushy  , I've got to get a buddy out with me so I can try these in his.
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Posted: 3/23/2006 2:38:48 PM EDT
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44mag not only paid for me to ship my 50 mags back, but insisted upon paying postage for the replacements coming back to me. I offered to pay return shipping because it wasn't his fault, but he wanted to pay both ways. I am SOOO glad I didn't buy the case of mags I had considered. If the replacement CProducts mags work fine, I WILL be buying a lot more from 44mag. I had bad mags marked 11/05 and 12/05. |
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Posted: 3/23/2006 2:49:13 PM EDT
[#22]
I bet Larry reads this thread with a big grin on his face.
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Posted: 3/23/2006 3:05:39 PM EDT
[#23]
Man Im glad I didnt get the SHITY 30 rounders!
Hopefully the sharp as L-UDT will wear off?? I dont care for the rattleling it makes when loaded? ANYONE HAVE 12/05 Black 20rounders? BTW its a bit harder to seat when loaded in my two AR`s |
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Posted: 3/23/2006 3:08:33 PM EDT
[#24]
Guys,
Honestly, I am not smiling. I know first hand what it feels like to have this happen. I know the cost and I know the pain. I would not wish this on any of my competitors. D&H is a good company. Any further comment on my part would not be appropriate. Larry C Products |
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Posted: 3/23/2006 3:12:07 PM EDT
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Does anyone know where to find a dimensioned drawing of the magazine?
In comparing the D&Hs to other GI mags I see that the area in front of the right feed lip appears to bend to far over into the mag. When a round from the right side is push fowards there is a lot of side pressure to the next round(on the left). This only happens when feeding rounds from the right side. The left side is more dimensionally consistant with the other GI mags (various manufacturers). Has anyone else noticed this? D&Hs are dated 6-05 and 1-06 |
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Posted: 3/23/2006 3:14:59 PM EDT
[#26]
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Posted: 3/23/2006 3:16:11 PM EDT
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Then there's the "fix it and get on with it" approach:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v116/papafoxtrot/IMG_0090.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v116/papafoxtrot/IMG_0089.jpg |
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Posted: 3/23/2006 3:25:40 PM EDT
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Is that just a file? I haven't seen one like in the first picture before.
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Posted: 3/23/2006 4:02:05 PM EDT
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Ed, That is a hardened deburring tool. |
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Posted: 3/23/2006 4:07:28 PM EDT
[#30]
PapaFoxtrot, Are you just filing the small rounded part your file is on in the second picture or are you filing the entire right side ? Thanks for the pictures.
Has anyone heard what Bravo Company has to say on these issues ? |
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Posted: 3/23/2006 4:18:17 PM EDT
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CARman,
I am putting an angle or slight radius (at the very least a deburring) along the entire inner lip on both sides. It isn't shown, but I used the diamond flat file to make that tab on the lip which lays next to the bullet nose a bit more parallel w/ the centerline. I hold the mag in hand while working on it, not in the vise. That mag pictured was from Bravo. |
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Posted: 3/23/2006 5:29:22 PM EDT
[#32]
My mags are 1/05 and they have worked fine *BUT* I have only loaded them to 20.
I had some Pre ban Labelle's that did the exact same thing in a Bushy. Everybody told me the springs were too tight and just needed to relax a bit, load 'em up and let 'em sit a while and they'll be fine. Why is everybody coming unglued over this now? |
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Posted: 3/23/2006 5:37:41 PM EDT
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Posted: 3/23/2006 5:49:20 PM EDT
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I have NEVER heard, load them up and let them sit a while.
If I wanted 20 rounds, I would just use the 20's I have now. There are a lot of LEO agencies that will ONLY use 20 round Mags JUST because of reliability problems. What if you were in Iraq, how long would you let them sit THEN? The whole freaking point is there supposed to WORK! Unglued? I really hope you have a DEPENDABLE firearm lying around some place. It is amazing to hear someone JUSTIFY non working mags. |
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Posted: 3/23/2006 5:51:26 PM EDT
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highlighted in red part should always be the case no matter how many people say it's OK or it's bad or whatever. Always find out for yourself I also just orderd some D&H mags from $$Mag and so far I am happy with them but with CProducts now putting out what I beleive to be the best or at least tied for the best mag with NHMTG I will be buying from either of the 2 and with the service that CP puts out it will probably be them for now on |
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Posted: 3/23/2006 5:56:18 PM EDT
[#36]
100%
AGREED!!!!!!! |
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Posted: 3/23/2006 6:54:19 PM EDT
[#37]
I've got 25 D&H Grey teflon 30s:
10 w/ 06/05 date and Green followers 5 w/ 08/05 date and Green followers 10 w/ 01/06 date with Magpul Gen II followers All 25 mags have functioned perfectly in three different ARs from day one. Of course, YMMV. |
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Posted: 3/23/2006 9:14:30 PM EDT
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Posted: 3/23/2006 10:31:49 PM EDT
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At the least maybe this thread will get a response from the distributors and possibly D&H on this issue. I have heard that at the least 10s of thousands of these mags have been sold to LEO and military units and that literally millions have been produced by D&H. How long have these been on the market? And not a word until now? It would be nice to get some comms from the distributors and the manufacturer.
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Posted: 3/23/2006 10:33:05 PM EDT
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Posted: 3/23/2006 10:36:47 PM EDT
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So far it looks like I have eleven bad ones. Ten of them are dated 11/05, the other is marked 8/05. Almost 1/3 and I haven't checked all of them.
I compared with my CP mags. The CP mags chamber the rounds very easily, the D&H do not. Not slamming D&H and not advertizing for CP, but CP's are my newest mags to compare with my D&H's. TS
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Posted: 3/23/2006 10:43:32 PM EDT
[#42]
I have 60 of the 12/05 dated black teflon 30 round magazines and they work fine
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Posted: 3/23/2006 10:44:11 PM EDT
[#43]
I have 5 of the 12/05 dated mags from 44mag and they run 99%. I only had one malfuntion, but that was the first day I took my weapon to the range. I ran these mags dry (28 rounds) 5+ times using wwb with only that first hitch.
Good luck with your mags. -dave |
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Posted: 3/24/2006 2:52:15 AM EDT
[#44]
Tag
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Posted: 3/24/2006 4:01:57 AM EDT
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IF AROKIE HEARS THIS HE WILL START CRYING?
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Posted: 3/24/2006 4:14:44 AM EDT
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Posted: 3/24/2006 4:43:29 AM EDT
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I have fifteen or so D&H mags. I bought five or so at first, then a ten pack from Bravo during the big mag sale. I know some of them are marked 12/05 but I don't know how many. So far I have used about half of these mags and haven't had any problems whatsoever. I used these mags in my new Stag M4gery.
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Posted: 3/24/2006 5:19:52 AM EDT
[#48]
My 12/05 D&H 20 rounder are okay. bought only 8.
I almost order the 30 rounders Im glad I stuck with 20rd |
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Posted: 3/24/2006 5:25:42 AM EDT
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Mine are all 11/05 some black some grey all with Magpul... tried one of each in 2 different rifles, one carbine one A2... they worked fine. I guess I'll have to try the rest before I trust 'em...
T |
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Posted: 3/24/2006 5:28:51 AM EDT
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FWIW, this is why I usually buy no more than 10 mags at one time from any one vendor, even though it would be cheaper to buy a case at a time. (I almost ordered a case from 44mag.com recently just because the price was so good
).ETA: Just to clarify/qualify my statement above, I have yet to have any problems with any of the mags I have bought from 44mag.com and used so far. I didn't want anyone to infer otherwise... |
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