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Posted: 2/26/2007 4:57:31 PM EDT
[#1]
not I, GI is good enough for me.
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Posted: 2/26/2007 5:31:57 PM EDT
[#2]
You must not have watched the PMAG video. The pickup truck burning rubber on top of the mags was too funny. The poor GI mags didn't hold up too well, nor did the stainless and the HK mags.
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Posted: 2/26/2007 5:41:07 PM EDT
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As was mentioned on another forum, after the truck went over the mags and generally abused the heck out of them, Magpul did not even try to cycle or insert their mags into an AR nor would they fire a loaded magazine in an AR. There also was no mention of how the abused mags were selected.
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Posted: 2/26/2007 5:47:22 PM EDT
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Posted: 2/26/2007 6:10:40 PM EDT
[#5]
+1 |
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Posted: 2/26/2007 6:36:30 PM EDT
[#6]
Here is what I want to see: A group buy on them ! Let do the group buy before they are quite ready to be produced... then we can bitch about them the whole we are waiting for them... then bitch even more when we get them !
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Posted: 2/26/2007 6:43:34 PM EDT
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Take another look at that video. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UCFXcOOb4jc At the end of the vid, after the test, they take the same mag - now loaded - repeatedly insert and eject it from a rifle, and then manually cycled all cartridges in the mag thru the rifle until the mag was empty and the bolt latched back. I'm guessing all of this was done at their plant and offices without immediate range access. I'll probably buy a few just to check them out myself. |
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Posted: 2/26/2007 7:08:05 PM EDT
[#8]
I'll get one or two just for shits and giggles but I'll take a USGI over one everytime
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Posted: 2/26/2007 7:40:45 PM EDT
[#9]
I'm betting that the fit, function, and finish of the PMAG will be up to snuff  .
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Posted: 2/26/2007 7:52:28 PM EDT
[#10]
This should help, go ahead and click me to see why. Enjoy!
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Posted: 2/26/2007 8:00:30 PM EDT
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Posted: 2/26/2007 8:09:47 PM EDT
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Zippy, just for info, the post above this one has a link to the video. If you take a look at it you'll see that at the end, the weapon is hand cycled with dummy rounds in the mag, drops free and lock the bolt to the rear. Oh, this whole test developed during a day dream at the office. We would have liked to shoot the mag buuuuuut. we were at the office. So, today we went out to the range and shot the Chevy mag. Ran fine, got video, post it up for you later Zippy.
The selection prosses for the mag was complicated.  I walked over to the high-tec filing cabinet in my office. I dug around through the paperwork until I was able to find a mag, a USGI mag. Then I went to the back of the shop and found some other brand name mags in a box full of old SHOT show stuff. I then grabbed a mag from the safe. It's the only place we keep the real expensive ones. Then I took them out in the parking lot and ran them over while my co-worker filmed it. 
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Posted: 2/26/2007 8:11:11 PM EDT
[#13]
non-window $15
window $18
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Posted: 2/26/2007 8:13:26 PM EDT
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I for one loved the video...maybe we should abuse the fuck out of a PMAG and function test it up zippy's...ahhh n/m he probably just doesn't like it when something is tried and proven yet new to the market. I'll be ordering a few. |
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Posted: 2/26/2007 8:27:09 PM EDT
[#15]
$15? What happened to $12? |
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Posted: 2/26/2007 8:36:28 PM EDT
[#16]
Awhile back before SHOT we were saying an estimated $12.95.
While this project moved forward we realized that the thirteen bucks was off. Due to unexpected costs, the price changed.  Sorry we were off a little in our estimation.
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Posted: 2/26/2007 8:44:07 PM EDT
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Estimated retail price will be $11.95...
Well, I suppose I'll pick up a couple, instead of a couple dozen... |
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Posted: 2/26/2007 8:46:47 PM EDT
[#18]
They can make more money selling them for $15. -X |
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Posted: 2/26/2007 8:47:26 PM EDT
[#19]
Not from me!
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Posted: 2/26/2007 8:48:11 PM EDT
[#20]
Oops, you're right........ estimated $11.95.
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Posted: 2/26/2007 8:48:44 PM EDT
[#21]
blah it's not worth it...if you were bad mouthing Magpul about being "off" on their estimate |
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Posted: 2/26/2007 8:49:58 PM EDT
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You'd be suprised. The mill work alone on the mold cost more than a new Hummer, paid in full, cash.
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Posted: 2/26/2007 8:51:28 PM EDT
[#23]
I'm sure you've already made that back or will be making that back shortly...besides it'll be incentive to get the Masada running in full production....you figure you sell 500 of these at $1000 a pop....you're GTG for a base hummer 
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Posted: 2/26/2007 8:54:33 PM EDT
[#24]
Not even close yet.....we haven't sold a single one.
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Posted: 2/26/2007 8:56:34 PM EDT
[#25]
I'm speaking in the sense that you've possibly made your money back on other items you guys sell Anyways I gtg to bed...been nice talkin w/ ya |
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Posted: 2/26/2007 9:49:58 PM EDT
[#26]
$15 seems like a fair price to me ! |
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Posted: 2/26/2007 10:36:11 PM EDT
[#27]
These are going to look tits in any of the new whiz bang guns...Sig 556, XCR, Masada or even a LWRC.
That vid speaks volumes.... 
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Posted: 2/26/2007 11:31:39 PM EDT
[#28]
I like the looks of these.
I just hope MagPul sells the spare covers for these cheap. Without the cover, it's not smart to store these loaded. And I see myself loosing covers on a regular basis. I was pretty impressed with the HK's performance in the vid too. It's obviously not as tough as the PMag, but it looked better than the rest. |
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Posted: 2/27/2007 5:01:53 AM EDT
[#29]
I enjoyed the video and the mags seem to be quite durable but for some reason when they are hand cycling the AR at the end of the video I cannot see the dummy rounds being ejected. If you say they are, OK but the question remains, "Why would anyone spend the extra bucks for the mag over a USGI one?" The USGI's have quite a long history with a very low failure rate and with the addition of your excellent follower they are just superb.
I think that a bunch of testing, and publicity, of the Pmag in the heat and cold along side the USGI ones and the eventual award of an NSN and sales to the military would be a quite compelling argument. |
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Posted: 2/27/2007 5:27:47 AM EDT
[#30]
I thought the same thing when I first watched the video BUT when the camera angle changes you can see the rounds flying out against the background of the guys shirt... |
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Posted: 2/27/2007 5:53:41 AM EDT
[#31]
+1 I saw about the last 4 or 5 rounds flying out. |
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Posted: 2/27/2007 6:26:55 AM EDT
[#32]
H1 or H2?
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Posted: 2/27/2007 6:33:51 AM EDT
[#33]
IMO, that's a very fair question. CProducts dry lube are still 9.95 NHMTG GI are 10.95 I liked these mags at 11.95 and had every intention of picking up 10 or so. At $15 I just can't see spending the extra cash for a plastic mag. Although the truck video was very impressive (who'd have thought the HK SS wouldn't have held up?) I still haven't seen prolonged testing of the mag in a weapon. What happens to plastic feed lips after they've been grazed by a hot bolt and carrier 1,000 times? On my GI mags, there's obvious finish wear, but the feed lips maintain their integrity. I realize there's a skeptic in every bunch and I'm proving that adage, but some things I've got to see to believe. |
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Posted: 2/27/2007 7:42:14 AM EDT
[#34]
Provided they're as good as they seem $15 versus $12 is a negligible difference of only $3 for a quality product. Not enough to deter me from purchasing.
Though, this comment concerns me a bit:
Can someone explain why this mag would not hold up well being stored loaded? Are the materials inferior in some way? Construction/design not up to the task of maintaining integrity under a full load? After handling the alluminim mags, which feel like you can crush them like a beer can… these PMags appear leaps and bounds above the rest. Where am I wrong here? |
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Posted: 2/27/2007 9:16:29 AM EDT
[#35]
I am going to order some and beat'em up, see how they run.
$15 is cheap compared to what we had to pay during the stupid ban...and damned cheap compared to the HK mags. I hear good things about the Brownell's mag...any experiences? |
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Posted: 2/27/2007 9:54:36 AM EDT
[#36]
please tell me where to get NHMTG mags for $10.95 |
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Posted: 2/27/2007 10:21:42 AM EDT
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Posted: 2/27/2007 10:37:15 AM EDT
[#38]
Sold out, not taking backorders, and not expected to get any more..... |
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Posted: 2/27/2007 10:37:47 AM EDT
[#39]
I've picked them up at CDNN for that price in the recent past. Thus far, they are the cheapest vendor for NHMTG mags I have found. Locally they are available for 12 bucks and change. |
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Posted: 2/27/2007 10:38:09 AM EDT
[#40]
Nothing inferior about it. Any poly mag will have feed lip problems if the left with the force of loaded rounds against it indefinitely. MagPul has gotten around this by designing a snap over cover that depresses the loaded rounds enough to take the tension off the feed lips completely. Without such a feature, no mag with poly feed lips can be relied upon if left loaded long term. As long as you can replace the snap on cover, the one potential problem with these mags is taken care of. And these mags can't rust. I've had Colt aluminum 20 round mags have the floor plate fall completely off when the rivet holding the floorplate retension spring rusted through the wall of the mag and fell out. |
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Posted: 2/27/2007 10:40:19 AM EDT
[#41]
NHMTG is O-Kay industries, a subcontractor for colt. |
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Posted: 2/27/2007 12:07:39 PM EDT
[#42]
While the retail price for the non window mag is 14.95 the MAP street price will probably be around 13.95.
Some of the cost increase is the changes to the molds and the upgrade to a stainless steel spring and the addition of an extra (manual) cooling step to ensure the mag bodies are straight. |
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Posted: 2/27/2007 12:12:51 PM EDT
[#43]
Does the Pmag use the same springs and followers as regular magazines?
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Posted: 2/27/2007 12:20:55 PM EDT
[#44]
damn the costs - full PMAG ahead!!!
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Posted: 2/27/2007 12:27:38 PM EDT
[#45]
Thanks for the insight. I wasn't aware that poly feed lips were a liability if left burdened with the full load. I suppose in a way the material is inferior in that respect. It would be nice of Magpul would come out with a Steel Lips model (similar to Butler Creek's Hot Lips versus Steel Lips 10/22 magazines). Do you feel that a loaded Pmag left in a rifle would be subject to the same stress problems or does the closed bolt take enough pressure off of the lips to ensure a loaded mag can remain in a rifle with the action closed? |
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Posted: 2/27/2007 12:33:51 PM EDT
[#46]
Hello Magpul, What is the highest number of rounds you have put through one PMAG? Do you have a life expectancy of the PMAG? Thanks. |
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Posted: 2/27/2007 12:36:04 PM EDT
[#47]
All polymers creep over time when put under a constant load (even ALU creeps over a longer period of time). Our polymer is better than most in this aspect but the cover is there for long term storage (months/years) we have had some mags loaded for about over a month with no chage in the feed lip area. More information on this as we move through the testing. The round count on the lips are still being decided. We have magas with round counts in the 1000s abd one military tester has over 6000 rounds through one mag with no wear related issues. |
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Posted: 2/27/2007 12:42:36 PM EDT
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That is all I needed to know. Although, once you have decided the approximate round count, please pass the information our way. Thanks for keeping on time and not making promises you can't keep.  I can't wait to try some PMAGs out, thanks!
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Posted: 2/27/2007 2:30:24 PM EDT
[#49]
Same spring, different follower (our own design on a new anti tilt follower for the PMAG)
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Posted: 2/27/2007 2:31:21 PM EDT
[#50]
I apologize. I didn't mean for my comment to imply that Magpul's polymer was in any way inferior to other polymers. I understood the discussion to be about all polymers. Has Magpul entertained the idea of introducing steel feed lips to the design? I understand this would increase the cost, but for a magazine as tough as the Pmag, with the added durability of steel feed lips... I'm sure there are plenty who'd pay the premium. Also can you advise if loaded Pmags left in a rifle will stress the lips, or does the closed action take enough pressure off of the lips? |
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