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Posted: 6/22/2005 3:36:47 PM EDT
I need help deciding which optic to put in a LW carbine.
Criteria: Lightweight Rugged/Waterproof Leave it to the people to decide  Edited to add: Don't forget when judging weight to include the preferred mounting method. |
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Posted: 6/22/2005 3:40:03 PM EDT
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light weight carbines are normaly for CQB so you want a fast optic.
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Posted: 6/22/2005 3:50:01 PM EDT
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Compact ACOG on a A1 upper will give you immediate access to irons, and will be lighter than just about any equivilant flat top with any BUIS + optic + mount you can think of.
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Posted: 6/22/2005 3:58:14 PM EDT
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Me Likey 
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Posted: 6/22/2005 3:58:56 PM EDT
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Unfortunately (or fortunately), it is a flattop. |
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Posted: 6/22/2005 4:04:10 PM EDT
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Jpoint? Dr Optic? mounted to a flattop with a KAC 300m BUIS?
The lightweight thing in ARs can get as obsessive as the hikers/backpackers that get obsessive about weight. I used an Eotech, a model that takes the N batteries, on my lightweight. In my mind the fact that it doesn't require a separate mount made it the lighter of it vs. the Aimpoint. An Aimpoint alone weighs 7.1 oz (no mount) and the standard "N" Eotech weighs 8.8, but mine is an older model without the protective cage. 
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Posted: 6/22/2005 4:20:18 PM EDT
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Weight is why I am considering an Eotech this time. I am normally a diehard Aimpoint fan. Hey, you can't have everything 
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Posted: 6/22/2005 4:37:51 PM EDT
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Im gonna have to say a reflex I just really like them and I guess the IDF does to.....
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Posted: 6/22/2005 5:35:31 PM EDT
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Trijicon TA47-2; Weight: 5.82 oz
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Posted: 6/22/2005 5:57:56 PM EDT
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Aimpoint with a LaRue mount. Don't neglect BUIS: KAC 300m (lightest).
No "cage" on Eothingy negates ruggedness rquirement. |
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Posted: 6/22/2005 7:22:44 PM EDT
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you're right, my sofa may attack my eotech, and what would I do then? |
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Posted: 6/23/2005 3:43:13 AM EDT
[#11]
would really be lightweight if you used just irons
doctor? jpoint? |
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Posted: 6/23/2005 4:08:38 AM EDT
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I vote Dr Optic on an ARMS mount. It weighs 1.06 oz and there is not going to be a lighter optic than that. 3.5 MOA dot battery life measuered in years and self adjusts to ambient light which the Aimpoint and EOtech do not. Also does not wash out like the Trijicon and weighs less than the Trijicon too.
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Posted: 6/23/2005 4:11:13 AM EDT
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Does ARMS make a dedicated mount for the Docter, or do you have to modify or use another mount in conjunction with a Docter mount to get it to work? |
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Posted: 6/23/2005 4:30:55 AM EDT
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Yes they make a dedicated mount. The 17 I think? I am not using a throw lever mount at the moment. |
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Posted: 6/23/2005 4:36:27 AM EDT
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You shoot in the living room? Man, I can't do that. My wife would take it away from me and shoot me. |
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Posted: 6/23/2005 4:45:31 AM EDT
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Not really dedicated, but it appears that if you stack the right parts you can get there. ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=3&f=18&t=237744 |
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Posted: 6/23/2005 7:01:14 AM EDT
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Yeppers.....now if we could just get G&R and Bravo Co. to make that mid length also in a super lt wt configuration...a little extra sight radius wouldn't hurt either...:) |
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Posted: 6/23/2005 7:44:28 AM EDT
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Trijcon Compact ACOG in a LaRue Compact ACOG mount. It's far better than the Reflex for durability and usefulness under 'real world' condistions and weighs slightly less. It's what I prefer on my LW.  Of the 'red dot / 1x sights' I also like the EOTech (due to it's AA batteries) and occasionally run it on my Lightweight. However it is the heaviest of the options. 
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Posted: 6/23/2005 7:45:44 AM EDT
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Neil is Spot On. |
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Posted: 6/23/2005 8:07:19 AM EDT
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I really like my EOTech but will probably own an aimpoint someday as well. Flip a coin.
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Posted: 6/23/2005 8:36:06 AM EDT
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Posted: 6/23/2005 8:42:53 AM EDT
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??? What do you mean |
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Posted: 6/23/2005 8:55:18 AM EDT
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sorry, quoted the wrong post.  see edit above.
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Posted: 6/23/2005 9:18:42 AM EDT
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I have an EOTech 512 on my Bushy superlight... Even though it's a 12 ounce optic, the entire thing weighs .75lb LESS than my Mid-length without optics.
Still, if I were going strictly for "lightest", I PERSONALLY would try out an OKO red-dot. They weigh about 2.5oz and don't need any mount. I had one, and I liked it. I regret very much selling it to purchase a lesser (Hakko) optic. |
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Posted: 6/23/2005 9:36:08 AM EDT
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Gotcha. Anyway the M16 mount version of the Compact ACOG sits lower on the carry handle than most other scopes thanks to it's compact size AND integrated mount. It's not much of a difference, and if you're shooting with a good head's up stance at worst you have to keep the stock a bit lower on your shoulder. |
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Posted: 6/23/2005 9:37:48 AM EDT
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And shatter when dropped (ask Fight4YourRights) if you don't use the steel protective hood (which raises the weight). |
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Posted: 6/23/2005 12:31:36 PM EDT
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Yeah, I saw his thread quite some time ago with the OKO on a Carbon 15. Having owned an OKO, I believe that to be a lemon rather than the norm for the OKO. I had the big SC4 mount/cover, and it still was lighter than an Aimpoint WITHOUT mount. The SC3 (cover only) was only a couple of ounces. But of course, that wasn't one of the choices in the original post, and I was only adding what I would do if I were going for "lightest possible" rifle. For my .02 keeping with the original post, I vote either EO or Aimpoint, just NOT the Reflex
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Posted: 6/23/2005 3:31:38 PM EDT
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Aimpoint for me. BTW: Onslaught, how's the TA51 working? |
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Posted: 6/24/2005 8:16:34 AM EDT
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Great posts guys, although, I am a little skeptical about the durability of some of the "other" recommendations.
Weight is important but, I will not sacrafice reliability for weight savings. Just keep that in mind. it is looking like a close one between Aimpoint and EO. |
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Posted: 6/24/2005 8:52:21 AM EDT
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There is a thread somewhere on here where Wes from MSTN and Grant from gandrtactical argue over the use of the Jpoint and Docter by various ninjas in the field, and even post pics of ninjas using them. |
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Posted: 6/24/2005 1:33:48 PM EDT
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Ninja is a derogitory term... from mall ninja. If you want to learn about ninjas go here. NINJA LINK But yes both active duty infantry and contract guys have used the Dr Optic in Iraq and A-Stan. Dr. Optic can withstand 500 Gs as its meant ot be mounted on a pistol slide. |
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Posted: 6/24/2005 5:27:18 PM EDT
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Can anyone find this link? I am still skeptical- I have seen some of the most rugged optics fail in the field before. 
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