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Posted: 8/2/2021 6:08:20 PM EDT
Hey, Primary Arms - continuing off of the SLX 1x microprism thread here. Any news on that 3x, even a rough ballpark timeline? I'd love to see a worthwhile ~$300 ACOG competitor that actually looks the part.
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Posted: 3/2/2023 10:44:25 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By HighpowerRifleBrony: Same sight height? As far as I can tell it is. You going to give in to the dark side and try one?  The ACOG has a tiny bit better glass but beyond that these are the better optic. Almost twice the FOV of a 3X ACOG yet still has better eye relief. |
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Posted: 3/2/2023 10:50:09 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Liaztraht: Looks like it fits better against backup sights. The only reason I stuck to the high cantilever was to get mine further over my MBUS pro. Gonna have to replace my current ADM base at some point if it works that way with the pros  I have the old ADM base too. I was going to put it on my 1X MP but think I’ll just get the C model for it too. |
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Posted: 3/2/2023 10:52:29 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By -OdieGreen-: I have the old ADM base too. I was going to put it on my 1X MP but think I'll just get the C model for it too. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By -OdieGreen-: Originally Posted By Liaztraht: Looks like it fits better against backup sights. The only reason I stuck to the high cantilever was to get mine further over my MBUS pro. Gonna have to replace my current ADM base at some point if it works that way with the pros I have the old ADM base too. I was going to put it on my 1X MP but think I'll just get the C model for it too.
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Posted: 3/2/2023 11:12:05 AM EDT
[Last Edit: -OdieGreen-]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Liaztraht: They need to stop making me spend money. As soon as I buy it, another cool option will come out I hear you on that. I’m going to build out a Ruger SFAR the exact same way as this. Just with the upcoming 5X MP instead and maybe an LEP light. I even have a bunch of the crazy rare MCT 308 PMAG’s. Money comes, money goes.  
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Posted: 3/2/2023 11:23:49 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By -OdieGreen-: I hear you on that. I'm going to build out a Ruger SFAR the exact same way as this. Just with the upcoming 5X MP instead and maybe an LEP light. I even have a bunch of the crazy rare MCT 308 PMAG's. Money comes, money goes. https://i.ibb.co/K7qXLTN/0-AA98791-36-F6-4367-A854-CF08-C9-CF72-E2.jpg Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By -OdieGreen-: Originally Posted By Liaztraht: They need to stop making me spend money. As soon as I buy it, another cool option will come out I hear you on that. I'm going to build out a Ruger SFAR the exact same way as this. Just with the upcoming 5X MP instead and maybe an LEP light. I even have a bunch of the crazy rare MCT 308 PMAG's. Money comes, money goes. https://i.ibb.co/K7qXLTN/0-AA98791-36-F6-4367-A854-CF08-C9-CF72-E2.jpg
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Posted: 3/2/2023 11:54:31 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By -OdieGreen-: As far as I can tell it is. You going to give in to the dark side and try one? The ACOG has a tiny bit better glass but beyond that these are the better optic. Almost twice the FOV of a 3X ACOG yet still has better eye relief. I'm still hoping for a GLx "update" of the TA31. I'll heave the TR24 til then. |
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Posted: 3/2/2023 12:04:36 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By HighpowerRifleBrony: I'm still hoping for a GLx "update" of the TA31. I'll heave the TR24 til then. I think they officially parted ways after the release of the micro series. I could see how Trijicon might have a conflict of interest at this point. |
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Posted: 3/2/2023 12:36:57 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By -OdieGreen-: I think they officially parted ways after the release of the micro series. I could see how Trijicon might have a conflict of interest at this point. |
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Posted: 3/2/2023 12:55:30 PM EDT
[Last Edit: -OdieGreen-]
[#9]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By HighpowerRifleBrony: I don't mean just a PA reticle in an ACOG, but use it's specs as a base to improve. What specs are the biggest interest to you? PA 3X Microprism FOV @ 100 yards: 38 feet. Exit pupil: 7.4mm. Eye relief at peak exit pupil: 2.7 inches. Weight: 8 ounces. TA31 FOV & 100 yards: 36 feet. Exit pupil: 8mm. Eye relief at peak exit pupil: 1.5 inches Weight: 15.8 ounces. I’d rate the old 3X prism around 50% of a TA31’s glass quality. The 3X MP is probably more like 75-80% of a TA31’s glass quality. Not ACOG level, but it’s hard to see the faults without directly comparing. The glass quality difference from the 3X SLX to the 2X GLX is something I couldn’t register but I haven’t compared them side by side. I’d rate the 1X as the lowest glass quality of them all as it has a very tiny bit of fish eye. No fiber optics but it has Aimpoint level battery life with auto off so it will likely last as long as the battery does. The illumination knob is kind of the lowest point but it works. Exit pupil is also a bit lower than the ACOG but with the better eye relief it’s not hard to get behind. |
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Posted: 3/2/2023 1:06:12 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Liaztraht]
[#10]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By -OdieGreen-: What specs are the biggest interest to you? PA 3X Microprism FOV @ 100 yards: 38 feet. Eye relief at peak exit pupil: 2.7 inches. Weight: 8 ounces. TA31 FOV & 100 yards: 36 feet. Eye relief at peak exit pupil: 1.5 inches Weight: 15.8 ounces. I'd rate the old 3X prism around 50% of a TA31's glass quality. The 3X MP is probably more like 75-80% of a TA31's glass quality. Not ACOG level, but it's hard to see the faults without directly comparing. The glass quality difference from the 3X SLX to the 2X GLX is something I couldn't register but I haven't compared them side by side. I'd rate the 1X as the lowest glass quality of them all as it has a very tiny bit of fish eye. No fiber optics but it has Aimpoint level battery life with auto off so it will likely last as long as the battery does. The illumination knob is kind of the lowest point but it works. Exit pupil is also a bit lower than the ACOG but with the better eye relief it's not hard to get behind. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By -OdieGreen-: Originally Posted By HighpowerRifleBrony: I don't mean just a PA reticle in an ACOG, but use it's specs as a base to improve. What specs are the biggest interest to you? PA 3X Microprism FOV @ 100 yards: 38 feet. Eye relief at peak exit pupil: 2.7 inches. Weight: 8 ounces. TA31 FOV & 100 yards: 36 feet. Eye relief at peak exit pupil: 1.5 inches Weight: 15.8 ounces. I'd rate the old 3X prism around 50% of a TA31's glass quality. The 3X MP is probably more like 75-80% of a TA31's glass quality. Not ACOG level, but it's hard to see the faults without directly comparing. The glass quality difference from the 3X SLX to the 2X GLX is something I couldn't register but I haven't compared them side by side. I'd rate the 1X as the lowest glass quality of them all as it has a very tiny bit of fish eye. No fiber optics but it has Aimpoint level battery life with auto off so it will likely last as long as the battery does. The illumination knob is kind of the lowest point but it works. Exit pupil is also a bit lower than the ACOG but with the better eye relief it's not hard to get behind.  Attached File Attached File |
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Posted: 3/2/2023 5:38:32 PM EDT
[#11]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Liaztraht: I suck at taking pictures through optics, but it's plenty bright for battery powered illumination too. Also very easy to see "around" for us two eyes open guys https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/504436/Reticle_1_jpg-2730980.JPG https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/504436/PA_SLX_3X_FPV__3__jpg-2730979.JPG I can’t even get my camera to focus in to do that so I can’t judge.
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Posted: 3/2/2023 6:04:41 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By -OdieGreen-: I can't even get my camera to focus in to do that so I can't judge. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By -OdieGreen-: Originally Posted By Liaztraht: I suck at taking pictures through optics, but it's plenty bright for battery powered illumination too. Also very easy to see "around" for us two eyes open guys https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/504436/Reticle_1_jpg-2730980.JPG https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/504436/PA_SLX_3X_FPV__3__jpg-2730979.JPG I can't even get my camera to focus in to do that so I can't judge. I should break out my old DSLR for reticle pictures. Fixed 50mm lense and a propper sensor should work better than my phone
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Posted: 3/2/2023 8:41:51 PM EDT
[#13]
Can anyone tell me how many picatinny slots the factory mount takes up?
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Posted: 3/2/2023 9:10:23 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By IslandTimes: Can anyone tell me how many picatinny slots the factory mount takes up? Cross bolt to cross bolt is 4, but it extends a full extra slot and a half rearward. |
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Posted: 3/2/2023 9:14:04 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By -OdieGreen-: Cross bolt to cross bolt is 4, but it extends a full extra slot and a half rearward. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By -OdieGreen-: Originally Posted By IslandTimes: Can anyone tell me how many picatinny slots the factory mount takes up? Cross bolt to cross bolt is 4, but it extends a full extra slot and a half rearward. Thank you, I really appreciate the help! |
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Posted: 3/2/2023 9:50:15 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Caeser2001]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By GreenMushroom: Looking through magnified optics with a helmet mount sucks in general imo but the reticle is very crisp so it would probably do ok with 2 tubes. I didn't really mess with it for very long. I'll bet the 1x version is pretty good. Best bet for passive is the 12 dot mount they're talking about. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By GreenMushroom: Originally Posted By zoe17: Has anyone used these with NV? How did it work? What mount do / did you use? Anyone tried use something like a Holosun 407/507 pistol red dot as offset? Or does the 3X work fine and offset RDS is not needed? I have been reading for months and not purchased one. I was Eotech / Aimpoint only for years. Now, I need budget options. With the 5X coming, would you wait and do …….? Looking through magnified optics with a helmet mount sucks in general imo but the reticle is very crisp so it would probably do ok with 2 tubes. I didn't really mess with it for very long. I'll bet the 1x version is pretty good. Best bet for passive is the 12 dot mount they're talking about. This pretty much sums it up. I would’ve traded a bit of of the FOV for more eye relief and larger exit pupil but it’s a great optic though. |
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Posted: 3/2/2023 10:11:05 PM EDT
[Last Edit: TNRonin]
[#17]
To me the only down side is in both 1x and 3x. The rear focusing ring is as tuff as a 17yoa in the morning!
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Posted: 3/2/2023 10:21:26 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By TNRonin: To me the only down side is in both 1x and 3x. The rear focusing ring is as stuff as a 17yoa in the morning! The illumination dial was stiff as well on mine, but I worked it smooth. |
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Posted: 3/2/2023 11:13:54 PM EDT
[#19]
Agreed, but after seeing 5 of them it got old. Lol
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Posted: 3/3/2023 9:20:59 AM EDT
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Anyone tried one on a Cetme L?
Rear sight is so high and picatinny so far forward thinking a 3x may be the way to go with that long tall cantilever. |
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Posted: 3/3/2023 12:38:32 PM EDT
[Last Edit: -OdieGreen-]
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Better close up of the ADM FDE AD-B2-C.
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Posted: 3/3/2023 1:02:36 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By -OdieGreen-: Better close up of the ADM FDE AD-B2-C. https://i.ibb.co/g7PFdn8/5-FD158-AB-F2-A7-4238-A76-D-70-B531-DF7483.jpg |
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Posted: 3/3/2023 1:30:02 PM EDT
[Last Edit: -OdieGreen-]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Liaztraht: Nice and low profile. I like the shorter base. Yeah it’s the way to go. I could move it forward a slot and it’d still be further back than the factory mount can go. |
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Posted: 3/8/2023 1:32:10 PM EDT
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Man this thread has me seriously thinking about one of these for my Beretta CX4 but I think I'm still going to stick with buying the new GLX 2X with the 9mm reticle.
2x makes more sense to me for 9mm. |
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Posted: 3/19/2023 11:56:34 AM EDT
[#25]
Green vs Red?
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Posted: 3/19/2023 3:56:31 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Honda4828: Green vs Red? Really a user preference thing. For my eyes I like the darker contrast of red. Owned a few green illuminated optics and never had trouble with them. Just a little easier for my eyes to find the edge of the reticle. |
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Posted: 3/19/2023 4:27:27 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Samwali: Same, but at least the ACOG still has the nicest glass. I'm sure the SLX glass is serviceable but I'm really a glass snob, especially with higher magnifications. Hopefully they'll do a GLx or PLx version, at least glass wise. |
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Posted: 3/20/2023 9:37:50 AM EDT
[#28]
Open box deals back in stock for 7.62x 39 and 5.56
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VA, USA
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Posted: 3/20/2023 10:08:31 AM EDT
[Last Edit: hodgescl]
[#29]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By MRW: my 1.5x ACOG glass was not as good as the GLX 2x glass. but that might have been because the GLx had an adjustable diopter With just playing with one for a few minutes, I can see better through the scope at dusk/ just into dark than I can without the scope. My gen 1 4x prism can’t do that. So there is a marked improvement. But I can’t compare fresh glass to an Acog no when the only ones I have looked through were quite scuffed and seasoned. |
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Posted: 3/20/2023 10:19:46 AM EDT
[Last Edit: Tomac]
[#30]
W/o reading the entire thread, how difficult to use this 3x for close/fast shots?
I love the SLX Micro 1x's I just picked up, now considering the 3x. |
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Posted: 3/20/2023 10:59:08 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Tomac: W/o reading the entire thread, how difficult to use this 3x for close/fast shots? I love the SLX Micro 1x's I just picked up, now considering the 3x. |
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Posted: 3/21/2023 7:06:30 AM EDT
[#32]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By -OdieGreen-: As far as I can tell it is. You going to give in to the dark side and try one? The ACOG has a tiny bit better glass but beyond that these are the better optic. Almost twice the FOV of a 3X ACOG yet still has better eye relief. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By -OdieGreen-: As far as I can tell it is. You going to give in to the dark side and try one? The ACOG has a tiny bit better glass but beyond that these are the better optic. Almost twice the FOV of a 3X ACOG yet still has better eye relief. No they don’t. I’ve had two TA33s and the manual says 3.6” but in use you can use it to 4” or so. The useable eyebox on the TA33 is much more forgiving. I just wish the PA 3x design sacrificed a couple feet off their FOV for another 0.5”-0.75” of eye relief. The reticle is definitely better, so is having a diopter and adjustable brightness. Glass is more than good enough. https://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=654467&highlight=ACOG+review Not to go off on a tangent but here is another example of Trijicon’s eye relief specs being conservative. The TA47 manual and website say 2.1” but in actual use of having one, it is damn near parody with the 1X micro prism. Skip to 1:08. Not my video but convinced me to try a TA47 a long time ago.  The TA47R-2 Compact Acog: The Red Dot Sight Alternative Originally Posted By Liaztraht: Originally Posted By Tomac: W/o reading the entire thread, how difficult to use this 3x for close/fast shots? I love the SLX Micro 1x's I just picked up, now considering the 3x. It can easily be done with practice. |
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Posted: 3/21/2023 7:18:22 AM EDT
[#33]
I have the 1x SLX Micro Prism, and have grown to really like it in place of a red dot. I've been seriously contemplating a 3x. I'm guessing the 3x would be a better all arounder than a 5x? Any word on when the 5x is supposed to be available?
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Posted: 3/21/2023 8:04:33 AM EDT
[#34]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By rauchman: I have the 1x SLX Micro Prism, and have grown to really like it in place of a red dot. I've been seriously contemplating a 3x. I'm guessing the 3x would be a better all arounder than a 5x? Any word on when the 5x is supposed to be available? If your quick they have blem/open box models for about $100 off. |
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Posted: 3/24/2023 9:57:50 AM EDT
[#35]
Quick question:
How does this do with a standard front sight gas block? Does the front sight block the view or is the standard height mount high enough to get over it? I had mounted a 1x-3x optic in a standard height mount and couldn't use it at 1x due to the front sight completely blocking the reticle. |
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Posted: 3/24/2023 10:42:26 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Macchina: Quick question: How does this do with a standard front sight gas block? Does the front sight block the view or is the standard height mount high enough to get over it? I had mounted a 1x-3x optic in a standard height mount and couldn't use it at 1x due to the front sight completely blocking the reticle. I don't have an fsb, but here's with an mbus pro flipped up  Attached FileNot obtrusive. |
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Posted: 3/24/2023 12:46:30 PM EDT
[Last Edit: -OdieGreen-]
[#37]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Macchina: Quick question: How does this do with a standard front sight gas block? Does the front sight block the view or is the standard height mount high enough to get over it? I had mounted a 1x-3x optic in a standard height mount and couldn't use it at 1x due to the front sight completely blocking the reticle. It shadows but is still clear. I won’t even run standard FSB’s anymore it annoys me so bad. Others run a red dot looking at the back of the front sight with no issues though. |
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MI, USA
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Posted: 3/25/2023 2:24:12 PM EDT
[#38]
Thanks guys! Looks like I missed all the open box deals… signed up for emails on every version
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Posted: 3/26/2023 9:41:31 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Eleazer]
[#39]
For you guys that got the 3x. Are you running offsets and what are you running? Reflex, irons?
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Posted: 3/26/2023 11:32:19 PM EDT
[#40]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By travisty250: For you guys that got the 3x. Are you running offsets and what are you running? Reflex, irons? Edit: I got the offset plate with mine for options. The PA one is good function wise. It and the Arisaka are 35 degrees. Most offset mounts are 45 degrees which kicks it out further than I like. Some of them (like the T-Rex) don’t even line the optic up with the bore making it an astronomical pain to zero. |
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Posted: 3/30/2023 2:35:27 PM EDT
[#41]
I’m not too sure about the screw pattern on the offset mount or what standard it is. It’s Glock plate compatible, but do you need a plate if you got say an slx-25 or an slx rs-10 or would it mount directly to the mount with the sights included hardware? If not I’m not sure which plate. I can’t tell from the descriptions on the PA site.
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Posted: 3/30/2023 3:29:20 PM EDT
[Last Edit: -OdieGreen-]
[#42]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By travisty250: I’m not too sure about the screw pattern on the offset mount or what standard it is. It’s Glock plate compatible, but do you need a plate if you got say an slx-25 or an slx rs-10 or would it mount directly to the mount with the sights included hardware? If not I’m not sure which plate. I can’t tell from the descriptions on the PA site. My RS10 mounted right on it. I only bought the offset mount because I couldn’t mount my RS10 on anything else. The Docter pattern needs to die a slow painful death. I wasted $100 trying to mount my RS10 on a pistol only to find out there are two different standards. If you run anything other than the RS10 I recommend the Arisaka 35 degree. Not only a better design but a thousand times less of a headache trying to figure out the plates. Primary Arms is now standardizing on RMR pattern it seems. VERY wise choice. |
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Posted: 4/1/2023 12:38:51 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Eleazer]
[#43]
Dang, I should have skipped their integrated offset plate.
Edit: An adapter plate wouldn’t seem ideal, but should still work. The Glock plates like kind of crappy. The description should specify doctor cut. Edit2: there are quality aftermarket plates that are optic specific like CHPW in either steel or aluminum. I think I’ll choose an optic and get a plate for that. |
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Posted: 4/3/2023 1:35:02 AM EDT
[Last Edit: TREETOP]
[#44]
I've been curiously following this thread since its beginning, I've been interested in this 3x Micro but haven't been able to justify the purchase since I have a couple 4x ACOGs on rifles already (TA01NSN and TA31RCO), but I keep returning to the idea of this optic and I like the size and weight of it.
I was finally able to handle one at a gunshow in December, and I've been thinking about it since, I was impressed with the clarity and liked the reticle. I finally pulled the trigger on one just now since I got an Amazon gift card from my brother for my birthday. I would have rather purchased direct or from Optics Planet in order to use a discount code, but using the Amazon credit and Credit Card points for most of the remainder got it well within my currently tight budget. I'll be putting it on a very simple 16" midlength carbine, I'm looking forward to its arrival. 
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Posted: 4/3/2023 7:53:59 PM EDT
[#45]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By TREETOP: I've been curiously following this thread since its beginning, I've been interested in this 3x Micro but haven't been able to justify the purchase since I have a couple 4x ACOGs on rifles already (TA01NSN and TA31RCO), but I keep returning to the idea of this optic and I like the size and weight of it. I was finally able to handle one at a gunshow in December, and I've been thinking about it since, I was impressed with the clarity and liked the reticle. I finally pulled the trigger on one just now since I got an Amazon gift card from my brother for my birthday. I would have rather purchased direct or from Optics Planet in order to use a discount code, but using the Amazon credit and Credit Card points for most of the remainder got it well within my currently tight budget. I'll be putting it on a very simple 16" midlength carbine, I'm looking forward to its arrival. |
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Posted: 4/3/2023 10:35:57 PM EDT
[#46]
I was playing around with it on my 20" A2 again today. I took it outside to play around. I may need another one.
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Posted: 4/3/2023 10:41:16 PM EDT
[#47]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By TNRonin: You will not regret it. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By TNRonin: Originally Posted By TREETOP: I've been curiously following this thread since its beginning, I've been interested in this 3x Micro but haven't been able to justify the purchase since I have a couple 4x ACOGs on rifles already (TA01NSN and TA31RCO), but I keep returning to the idea of this optic and I like the size and weight of it. I was finally able to handle one at a gunshow in December, and I've been thinking about it since, I was impressed with the clarity and liked the reticle. I finally pulled the trigger on one just now since I got an Amazon gift card from my brother for my birthday. I would have rather purchased direct or from Optics Planet in order to use a discount code, but using the Amazon credit and Credit Card points for most of the remainder got it well within my currently tight budget. I'll be putting it on a very simple 16" midlength carbine, I'm looking forward to its arrival. Second. The simple 16” rifle is where this optic shines. Lightweight, etched reticle still works with dead batteries, clear glass, and enough magnification for the range of a mid length barrel. |
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Posted: 4/5/2023 3:50:44 AM EDT
[Last Edit: Eleazer]
[#48]
Are the torque specs in the manual correct? Seems very high to me. For the base to the scope it says tighten the 10-32 screws to 25-30 inch lbs and for the cross bolts on the base 55-60 inch lbs?
Edit: Just found in the thread where the PA rep says the spec is correct. RTFB I guess. It doesn’t feel right, seems way tight. I suppose it does have a lifetime warranty so I should just run the thing. I have to say that I am amazed at this products glass clarity and brightness for the price. I picked it up for $280 over the St. Patrick’s Day sale and now I’m looking at picking up another one. I really like the ACSS Raptor reticle as well. |
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Posted: 4/5/2023 12:07:45 PM EDT
[#49]
Just playing around with my wife's on my A2. Next time there's a sale I might grab another one.
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Posted: 4/5/2023 12:38:06 PM EDT
[Last Edit: -OdieGreen-]
[#50]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 03RN: Just playing around with my wife's on my A2. Next time there's a sale I might grab another one. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/433221/IMG_20230405_111852_jpg-2771365.JPG I have two 3X and one 1X now. Adding a 5X when they come out too. Love these things.  
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