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Posted: 10/22/2006 2:56:59 PM EDT
if you dont clean soon after you shoot...
I put several hundred rounds through my 74 and let it sit for a few weeks. this is all that was visible, but even with a hammer it would not unlock.  magwell didnt look so good.  I quit beating on it with a hammer when the handle bent, but it opened up about 1/4"  An overnight soak in wd-40 got it open      I was able to clean most of it up, but the first couple inches past the chamber were pitted beyond repair. Yes, AKs are tough and can handle some neglect, but a little soapy water can make all the difference. |
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Posted: 10/22/2006 3:02:21 PM EDT
[#1]
Well, you've answered that "what if" question Ive always had.
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Posted: 10/22/2006 3:21:40 PM EDT
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Wow, that's nasty. Mental note-clean AKs after using corrosive ammo.
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Posted: 10/22/2006 3:26:36 PM EDT
[#3]
Thanks for posting that, I'd never seen what would happen if you didn't clean after corrosive stuff. That is FAR worse than I would have guessed!
I've never even seen any corrosive ammo in 7.62x39, who makes it and where would you see it? All I have is Norinco, S&B, Wolf, and Barnaul - they don't make corrosive do they? Wouldn't it be marked if it were? |
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Posted: 10/22/2006 3:27:10 PM EDT
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Thats a shame man........ But our best lessons are learned this way. Maybe you can just get the barrel replaced. Great photos........Thanks.....
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Posted: 10/22/2006 3:34:20 PM EDT
[#5]
 That's why they call it corrosive I guess... Thanks for the pics |
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Posted: 10/22/2006 3:36:13 PM EDT
[#6]
Someone did a test with 7N6 over at Akforum.net here and explained how to shoot corrosive ammo without getting this type of result. www.akforum.net/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=9841
Basically he ran a few rounds of non-corrosive ammo after he was done shooting for the day and it helps to reduce the corrosive affects of the ammo. |
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Posted: 10/22/2006 3:40:18 PM EDT
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The East Germans made...or remade...some. White glossy box..."Made in Germany" on the box, etc. |
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Posted: 10/22/2006 3:55:59 PM EDT
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Ouch! I'm glad that was just a WASR-2 and not an expensive rifle.
I think I'll stay away from the corrosive stuff. I've never seen corrosive ammo do that much damage all inside the fire control group. |
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Posted: 10/22/2006 4:04:35 PM EDT
[#9]
well dam, looks like its been underwater.
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Posted: 10/22/2006 4:08:27 PM EDT
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You gotta use that old stinky GI bore cleaner and clean it 3 days straight. Save that 7N6 ammo for SHTF, stick with the dirty Wolf
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Posted: 10/22/2006 4:25:26 PM EDT
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Wouldn't it make sense to use Barnaul or Wolf for SHTF since it wouldn't corrode your rifle if you couldn't clean it right away? If it worked for WW2 Garands in need of watery rinse, then just pee. |
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Posted: 10/22/2006 4:39:36 PM EDT
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Just Damn!
 Glad I chose the Silver Bear over the 7N6 |
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Posted: 10/22/2006 4:53:09 PM EDT
[#13]
Just curious, you said that you let it sit for a few weeks. Just exactly where was it sitting?
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Posted: 10/22/2006 4:54:36 PM EDT
[#14]
That looks worse than the $30 GEW 88s
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Posted: 10/22/2006 4:55:53 PM EDT
[#15]
Holy ... f*ckin' ... SHIT!
 WOW!!! Save that ammo for SHTF my ass; I'd heave it in the landfill! |
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Posted: 10/22/2006 4:56:43 PM EDT
[#16]
The soviets just dunked em in diesel. Scrubed em and dunked em again.
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Posted: 10/22/2006 5:00:04 PM EDT
[#17]
Damn!
My AK is in storage at my Dad's place and i only get to shoot it about once a year. For the first 15 years, no problems. Then I shot some old Chinese steel core ammo corrosive ammo and i didnt do a good enough job cleaning it. 1 year later it had some rust on the gas piston and the vent holes on the gas tube. but nothing like that! |
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Posted: 10/22/2006 5:18:59 PM EDT
[#18]
Ballistol and water would have cleaned the gunk out and prevented the rust.. Hey, at least we all got to learn something!
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Posted: 10/22/2006 5:35:03 PM EDT
[#19]
None of the confiscated AKs I saw in Afghanistan looked like that and they weren't maintained AT ALL.
Weird. |
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Posted: 10/22/2006 5:37:29 PM EDT
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Let this be a lesson on more than ammo, this is a lesson on neglect of a weapon. You don't have to shoot corrosive ammo to have your AK rust up like that, storage in a damp enviorment will do it just as bad.
As for what AK ammo is corrosive, I would imagine that it would be safe to assume that about all brass cased Erupoean 7.62 surplus is corrosive. An awful lot of the steel cased Chinese is corrosive as well. These results are typical of a neglected rifle in field conditions. If you store your rifle in a climate controlled safe, and they don't get rained on much you pretty much go forever without cleaning, but a little moisture and some time will ruin anything metal. Another issue with AKs is that most of them conatain unfinished parts (aren't those polished bare carriers cool?), and the finsihed parts are often blued or painted which provide very little corrosion resistance. Paint will protect from rust, but if it is scratched it will rust. I know that the urban legends about the invincibility of the AK are fun, but the truth is that they are far more susceptible to damage from the elements than an AR15 type rifle. If they are allowed to rust, the bolt is likely to lock tight and the weapon will not funtion, plus a good heavy case of surface rust will jam up an AK mag real bad. |
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Posted: 10/22/2006 5:40:26 PM EDT
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I doubt many of the confiscated AKs you dealt with had been subjected to humidity much above 10-15%, that makes all the difference in the world. That is why the US military stores unused aircraft in the desert rather than in GA or FL. |
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Posted: 10/22/2006 5:57:17 PM EDT
[#22]
So the combination of humid air and corrosive ammo is what made it so bad? That makes more sense. |
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Posted: 10/22/2006 6:01:50 PM EDT
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I'm in NW OH. Inside my home closet. Ideal storage conditions. Controled, dry climate. Same closet I store my "non-safe worthy" firearms without issue. |
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Posted: 10/22/2006 6:03:23 PM EDT
[#24]
worth repeating |
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Posted: 10/22/2006 6:17:16 PM EDT
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Don't jump on the bandwagon just yet. Corrosive ammo is not a big deal as long as you take the proper steps to shoot with it. Running 5 rounds of Wolf after your range session with corrosive ammo will allow you to wait a few days before cleaning. Or just clean the your rifle as directed for corrosive ammo. It is really not that big of a deal. Again, check out the link. Especially since 7N6 is really the only ammo available in 5.45 right now IIRC. www.akforum.net/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=9841 |
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Posted: 10/22/2006 6:17:55 PM EDT
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Corrosive Ammo is a concern and I for one would not knowingly shoot any in my AK. My question is, how do you recognize corrosive ammo. Most of my ammo shows on the packaging non-corrosive but I have a case of 762x39 that shows made in Russia, 20rds of Hunting Ammunition and the headstamp is 3 on one side of the base and 94 on the other side. There is nothing about corrosive or non-corrosive. The primer is grey in color and I remember reading somewhere that grey primers were corrosive. Any comments. Thanks
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Posted: 10/22/2006 6:35:20 PM EDT
[#27]
All kinds of 5.45x39 ammo out there that is not corrosive, but the prices just aren't great.
I clean my firearms as soon as I get home from the range. |
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Posted: 10/22/2006 6:43:48 PM EDT
[#28]
Thanks for the report . WarDawg
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Posted: 10/22/2006 7:14:28 PM EDT
[#29]
I keep a solution in my cleaning bottle just for corrosive that has some ammonia and other stuff in it to help neutralize the corrosive salts. I pour it down the barrel and run the snake through it at the range and do the same at home followed up with hoppes bore cleaner and CLP over everyhing to finish it off.
Takes a whole 10 minutes at the most and keeps the rifle like new. Been doing the same thing for almost 3 years now and havn't had anything corrode/rust yet. |
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Posted: 10/22/2006 10:20:27 PM EDT
[#30]
theres no way that was caused merely by corrosive ammo,
the corrosion in the pics shows where mere corrosive ammo would NOT cause corrosion at.... not a chance,........no way, absolutely not sorry, nope.  at any rate, only a goof would shoot corrosive ammo thru their AK. |
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Posted: 10/22/2006 11:16:37 PM EDT
[#31]
As i stated on page one I had some rust from corrosive ammo on the gas piston and the vent tubes in the ubberhandguard/gas tube. That was after one year storage in the basement of my dads house. The rifle pictured looks like it was fired with corrosive ammo then left outside in the rain for a month. |
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Posted: 10/23/2006 2:31:30 AM EDT
[#32]
Soooo... the Russians and every other Eastern Bloc military are "goofs"? |
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Posted: 10/23/2006 2:49:57 AM EDT
[#33]
The chinese shit is corrosive... And steel core or not, it is NOT AP... The other 3 are commercial, non corrosive ammo.... |
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Posted: 10/23/2006 3:06:05 AM EDT
[#34]
Sorry, yes. |
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Posted: 10/23/2006 3:12:06 AM EDT
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but...but...but...My Best-Friend's-Girlfriend's-Uncle Jimbo who was serving with the Super Special Forces in Poon-Tang said that they used to pull AKs from the mud and muck of a rice patty with what was left of Charlie's skeleton still clutching the weapon and all they did was kick the bolt open with their boot, piss into the receiver and they were ready to go full-auto on Ho-Chi-Min's ass!
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Posted: 10/23/2006 3:30:47 AM EDT
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You guys are missing the reason they still use the corrosive stuff.. Corrosive primers last for-friggin-ever. Look at that ancient turk 8mm with the busted necks and the decaying brass. Still goes bang. Corrosive primers. Non-corrosive primers degrade over time. Not a lot, not so that it would matter much to us, but it works fine for them. Just clean with water or something containing water after you shoot and everything's fine. It's not fucking rocket science, that's for sure. Wasn't too long ago that perchlorate (corrosive) primers were all that was available, and that's all anyone ever shot. Numerous armies fought wars with the stuff. Black powder's even worse. Hey.. Even better. You guys with the questionable chicom stuff or the milsurp stuff from wherever, you send that shit on down here and I'll dispose of it safely for you. I've had no problem with many thousands of rounds of corrosive stuff in 7.62x39, 7.62x54, .303, .45ACP, etcetc. Maybe it's my aura.
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Posted: 10/23/2006 4:30:49 AM EDT
[#37]
Right! I've always been under the impression that any foreign surplus ammo that has wording like "sure fire..." or something similar in the description is corrosive. |
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Posted: 10/23/2006 4:52:07 AM EDT
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One word. Windex. Make sure it has ammonia. Ammonia neutralizes the corrosive salts. Spray down the bolt, bolt carrier, inside of the receiver, FCG. Wipe it down. Spray a bunch down the bore so the patch you run down it is wet. Then clean as usual.
Uhhh, by usual, I mean clean it with solvent & oil, etc. Not "as usual" for some folks which means wait 5000 rds, then clean. Oh yeah. There is another way too. Boil water and scrub down the receiver and bore with hot soapy water, followed by a boiling water rinse. |
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Posted: 10/23/2006 5:38:39 AM EDT
[#39]
I guess you did not know that sigandglocks is the final word on any topic related to firearms. Just check some of his other lunatic posts. |
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Posted: 10/23/2006 7:26:52 AM EDT
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There is one itty bitty detail that has been missed here. your normal AK isnt going to corrode to this degree using corrosive ammunition. One of the contributing factors Is the fact that there was a suppresser attached to this rifle. Bigbore leads a busy life and doesnt have the time or desire to spend his valuable time scrubbing and lubricating things. Yes the corrosion was bad here but it is something that was increased by the suppresser. Silencers have a tendancy to blow alot of hot gasses back into the action both through the gas system and the barrel during extraction.This is alot like backpressure on an automotive exhaust system. I have seen the rifle and for the corrosion it had,after cleaning it was completley functional I can attest to the damage it did but there are contributing factors here. A good example of what corrosive ammunition can do. The silencer I would venture to say may have made the quantity of ammunition shot have the effect of two or three times the ammunition actually shot.
regardless the fact that it was functional after it was cleaned is a testament to the durability of the action. Heck this never was a safe Queen It is nice to have a guy here in the forums that is willing to try new things for himself Some of us just dont buy everything that we hear or read. And to be able to experiment however unintentional. Is + Cool points in my book. 
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Posted: 10/23/2006 7:36:23 AM EDT
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+1...troll of the month. Guess he doesn't understand that almost every military in the world used corrosive ammo at some point in time...and some still do. But what do they know....bunch of goofs. 
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Posted: 10/23/2006 7:57:29 AM EDT
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answer........YES.... I lived in Communist Russia for 4 years.......working for the US Govt. im a Russian translator..... Russians are pretty well insane kooks.... Russians stole every idea they have from someone else.... including the design of the AK.......everything in Russia is a rip off of someone elses invention... yuo need to be in Russia for a while to understand how messed up that place really is
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Posted: 10/23/2006 7:59:07 AM EDT
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There must be another reason the corrosion is so bad... whether it was humidity, a suppressor, a shitty metal finish... whatever. I have shot the 7n6... and will continue to... I have not had an issue with corrosion whatsoever... and Oregon can be WET!
But, thanks for the info Big Bore... good pics too. If anyone wants to dispose of their 7n6 or Wasp... shoot me an e-mail... I will take it off your hands. 
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Posted: 10/23/2006 8:01:06 AM EDT
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OUCH! That was a hard lesson learned. |
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Posted: 10/23/2006 8:05:21 AM EDT
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Did i say MILITARY??? No...........you/me are not Military.......we pay $100s for our guns....... the military uses guns like WE use toilet paper...........they can AFFORD to use corrosive ammo........ US Military bulldozed about 50,000 Tommy Guns into a ditch........................... we pay $18,000 for a real tommy gun....................... you missed the entire bloody point............I never mentioned the MILITARY........let them use corrosive ammo.... unless your daddy Warbucks and can burn money for sheets and giggles, a PRIVATE individual doesnt use corrosive ammo "unless theyre a goof" 
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Posted: 10/23/2006 8:06:25 AM EDT
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I have been shooting 7N6 Corrosive Ammo for a few Months now and never had a problem, becuase I clean my Rifle. While I'm at the Range, I will fire five Rounds or so of Non-corrosive Ammo thru the Rifle before I leave. When I get Home I will use Simple Green and hot water to clean it. Fireing Non-Corrosive thru the Rifle at the end of a Shooting Session helps clean out alott of the Salts from the Corrosive stuff, but it's not needed if you clean your Rifle the same Day.
ETT: Anybody that wants to get rid of there Corrosive 7N6 can send it to me, I will despose of it properly for you
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Posted: 10/23/2006 8:40:30 AM EDT
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Corrosive ammo is easy to deal with. Just properly clean the damn rifle after you shoot it and you'll have no problems. I keep two bore snakes near my gunsafe for just this purpose. One is wet with windex and the other with CLP. After shooting any corrosive ammo I run each of them down the barrel a few times and wipe down the rest of the weapon. Within the next day or two I pull the rifle out of the safe and look down the bore just to make sure I got it all. The whole procedure takes about 5 minutes per rifle. And there's only one reason why we do shoot corrosive ammo and that's because we're not Daddy Warbucks! Corrosive ammo is cheap, cheap, cheap and the price of non-corrosive ammo is going through the roof. I can shoot 8mm Mauser for about $0.06 a shot and 7.62x54R for around $0.08. |
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Posted: 10/23/2006 9:21:32 AM EDT
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If you're talking civilians then corrosive ammo is alot cheaper to shoot than new production shit and if you take care of your firearms there is no reason to worry. The process I followed with my PSL and M44 Nagant was:
1) Shoot 2) Bring home ( no need to clean at the range usless you'll be a day or so) 3) Spray everything with Windex Ammonia 4) Wipe down and clean as I normally would. It takes an extra two minutes. For every case of surplus ammo I buy... I save enough to buy another Nagant rifle vs. if I had bought S&B or Wolf ammo. So technically I could buy a new rifle every time I buy another case of ammo. Why buy Wolf or S&B? Food for thought. CMS |
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Posted: 10/23/2006 9:26:07 AM EDT
[#49]
Where are you guys getting this corrosive ammo?
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Posted: 10/23/2006 9:50:10 AM EDT
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theyre getting the ammo from people who know better than to shoot it, but to sell it for profit and buy some non-corrosive ammo. LOL |
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