Gen 4 G22 now in stock

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Posted: 12/23/2009 10:03:13 AM EDT

Local shop has Gen 4 G22 in stock.

The price is same as Gen 3 G22 $398.20 with LEO/Mil/GSSF discount.

Posted: 12/23/2009 10:20:30 AM EDT

[#1]

Good to see they dumped the crescent serrations.

When it trickles down to the 9mm versions will be hopefully about the same time that I'll be getting a good paying job...

I see a gen 4 17 in my future...

Could you post pictures of the recoil spring assembly on that G22?

Posted: 12/23/2009 10:26:42 AM EDT

[#2]

Quoted:
Good to see they dumped the crescent serrations.

When it trickles down to the 9mm versions will be hopefully about the same time that I'll be getting a good paying job...

I see a gen 4 17 in my future...

Could you post pictures of the recoil spring assembly on that G22?

Sorry. I'm not at the shop and probably won't make it until this weekend. These pictures were just posted on a local GA forum.

Check out their facebook page. I'm blocked at work. Gen 4 at Ed's

Here is another picture:

Posted: 12/23/2009 10:29:48 AM EDT

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Posted: 12/23/2009 10:30:38 AM EDT

[#4]

Looks just like an overgrown G26 recoil assembly...

Here's the pic from Ed's...

Posted: 12/23/2009 10:31:14 AM EDT

[#5]

Thanks for posting the FB pics.

Posted: 12/23/2009 10:43:22 AM EDT

[#6]

Looks good IMO but I am curious about the backstraps and waiting for the 19.

Posted: 12/23/2009 11:09:58 AM EDT

[#7]

Sweet! I'm still weary on the interchangable backstraps. Anyone know how well they actually lock up? It just seems to me that they would loosen over time and come off while shooting.

Posted: 12/23/2009 11:13:10 AM EDT

[#8]

Can anyone tell me if that will accept a standard recoil spring assembly?

In other words is it backwards compatible? Mainly concerned about using that recoil spring assembly in older 22s.

Oh, forgot to say, thanks for the pictures.

Posted: 12/23/2009 11:17:15 AM EDT

[#9]

The recoil spring is not backwards compatible. Notice the much bigger hole in the front of the slide so that the inner spring will clear. I'll try to post some more pics if I can get caught up.

Weagle

http://photos-h.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc3/hs153.snc3/18069_213250776588_147550831588_3253801_1384300_n.jpg

Posted: 12/23/2009 11:32:35 AM EDT

[#10]

Got it, that's what I was wondering about and discussing with a friend recently.

Looks like they want people to buy new pistols instead of upgrade what they have.

Posted: 12/23/2009 12:28:23 PM EDT

[#11]

Thanks for the great pics!

Posted: 12/23/2009 12:41:42 PM EDT

[#12]

It definitely feels smaller than the standard frame with the backstraps not installed. It's about as much difference as there is in the G21 vs the G21SF. I have relatively small hands so I like it better than the standard G22 grip.

The backstrap in this photo is not fully installed. it is partially installed to show how it attaches. The backstraps fit in the dovetail on the back of the frame. They hook in the hollow opening of the grip at the bottom and are held in place with the frame pin at the top. The small tool/punch comes with the gun. The backstraps are marked "M" medium and "L" large. The small tool/punch comes with the gun.

http://photos-c.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc3/hs133.snc3/18069_213439446588_147550831588_3254623_6383311_n.jpg

Posted: 12/23/2009 1:06:38 PM EDT

[#13]

I'll definitely be waiting for a Gen4 G19.

Posted: 12/23/2009 1:13:40 PM EDT

[#14]

Thanks for posting the pics !

Posted: 12/23/2009 2:33:33 PM EDT

[#15]

It is always cool to see something new. As for now, I will still pass.

Posted: 12/23/2009 2:43:41 PM EDT

[#16]

Thanks for the great pics!

From the pics, I do like the new mag release but will have to fondle one in person before I make my final call. I wonder if it will be possible to retro fit that new release in old frames? I realize the old frame would have to be cut but I wonder if that's the only change that would be needed? If so, I can see that becoming a semi-popular upgrade?

I'm also wondering about the new recoil spring, specifically if the opening in the slide is the only difference? If so, I wonder if a pre-gen4 Glock can be opened up to accommodate the newer spring? I'm thinking even if it can, it may still loose in a cost\benefit analyst but I'm curious if it's even possible? Either way, I wonder if a gen4 slide assembly can be installed and used on a Gen3 or early frame?

One other thing I'm curious about and haven't seen mentioned, I wonder if there were any changes made to the barrel? Did they add some more chamber support on the .40 barrels? If not, are pre and post gen4 barrels interchangeable?

Posted: 12/23/2009 2:48:12 PM EDT

[#17]

Im just waiting for an update as to whether or not the new recoil system does anything to the felt recoil.

Posted: 12/23/2009 2:49:42 PM EDT

[#18]

Quoted:
Thanks for the great pics!

From the pics, I do like the new mag release but will have to fondle one in person before I make my final call. I wonder if it will be possible to retro fit that new release in old frames? I realize the old frame would have to be cut but I wonder if that's the only change that would be needed? If so, I can see that becoming a semi-popular upgrade?

I'm also wondering about the new recoil spring, specifically if the opening in the slide is the only difference? If so, I wonder if a pre-gen4 Glock can be opened up to accommodate the newer spring? I'm thinking even if it can, it may still loose in a cost\benefit analyst but I'm curious if it's even possible? Either way, I wonder if a gen4 slide assembly can be installed and used on a Gen3 or early frame?

One other thing I'm curious about and haven't seen mentioned, I wonder if there were any changes made to the barrel? Did they add some more chamber support on the .40 barrels? If not, are pre and post gen4 barrels interchangeable?

Frame looks different at the front. Big open area at the front to accomodate the changes to the slide for the new recoil system. Check out the pics and compare to your gen 3.

Posted: 12/23/2009 5:00:45 PM EDT

[#19]

Just curious.......I have a couple of third gen glocks and by no means consider myself an expert on them..........why the change in the recoil system.........problems..........to address?

Posted: 12/23/2009 6:43:13 PM EDT

[#20]

definitely waiting on the g19

Posted: 12/23/2009 11:28:18 PM EDT

[#21]

Quoted:
Just curious.......I have a couple of third gen glocks and by no means consider myself an expert on them..........why the change in the recoil system.........problems..........to address?

Basically to lessen the felt recoil on .40 caliber Glock 22s.

Posted: 12/24/2009 12:53:12 AM EDT

[#22]

Quoted:
It is always cool to see something new. As for now, I will still pass.

This.

I'm thinking the new Recoil Spring Assembly has been done to alleviate the reliability issues associated with G22's with lights attached. Can't imagine it's done solely for recoil reduction...............they don't recoil that badly anyway.

Posted: 12/24/2009 3:43:47 AM EDT

[#23]

Quoted:

Quoted:
It is always cool to see something new. As for now, I will still pass.

This.

I'm thinking the new Recoil Spring Assembly has been done to alleviate the reliability issues associated with G22's with lights attached. Can't imagine it's done solely for recoil reduction...............they don't recoil that badly anyway.

I wonder if the recoil spring assembley is specific to the 40 and not the 9mm..............

Posted: 12/24/2009 4:38:14 AM EDT

[#24]

curious to see if they resolved the 40cal glocks jamming with tac lights....

Posted: 12/24/2009 4:41:14 AM EDT

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Posted: 12/24/2009 5:40:05 AM EDT

[#26]

Looks like they really beefed up the locking block. That would solve some of the problems that a nearby SO was having.

Posted: 12/24/2009 7:09:14 AM EDT

[#27]

Thanks for straightening me out guys.

Here's a corrected frame comparison 4th gen on the top new 3rd gen G22 frame on the bottom: Note the larger opening at the front of the frame on the 4th gen.

Weagle

http://photos-d.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc3/hs153.snc3/18069_214510066588_147550831588_3258893_1148475_n.jpg

Posted: 12/24/2009 7:17:52 AM EDT

[#28]

Can hardly wait for the 9's to start trickling out.

Posted: 12/24/2009 11:52:08 AM EDT

[#29]

Is the Gen4 stock grip equal to Gen 3 size, thicker, or more thin?

Posted: 12/24/2009 12:45:40 PM EDT

[#30]

I will be all over a Gen4 G17, but only if one of the backstrap modules replicates a 1911 grip angle. If all they do is present the same Glock not-so-perfect grip angle but for smaller hands, then Glock will have missed a HUGE opportunity to fix the single biggest deficiency in the Glock design. The pictures so far do not fill me with optimism.

Posted: 12/24/2009 1:34:38 PM EDT

[#31]

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Is the Gen4 stock grip equal to Gen 3 size, thicker, or more thin?

the gen 4 "stock" grip size is 3mm smaller than standard-like the g21/g30 SF models. so not much of a difference at all. certainly not the drastic change most were hoping for.

then you add the "medium" backstrap which is the standard glock grip, and the next backstrap is even bigger (?).

Posted: 12/24/2009 1:45:16 PM EDT

[#32]

I'm curious about the grip size difference, as well as the different backstraps.

I also wonder if the Gen4 will fit existing holsters.

Posted: 12/24/2009 1:51:35 PM EDT

[#33]

Quoted:
I'm curious about the grip size difference, as well as the different backstraps.

I also wonder if the Gen4 will fit existing holsters.

hold a g21, then hold a g21SF. that's it. 3mm's difference front to back.

Posted: 12/24/2009 2:42:50 PM EDT

[#34]

Quoted:

Quoted:
I'm curious about the grip size difference, as well as the different backstraps.

I also wonder if the Gen4 will fit existing holsters.

hold a g21, then hold a g21SF. that's it. 3mm's difference front to back.

So are you saying it's like a G22 SF?

Posted: 12/24/2009 2:49:34 PM EDT

[#35]

Quoted:

Quoted:
I'm curious about the grip size difference, as well as the different backstraps.

I also wonder if the Gen4 will fit existing holsters.

hold a g21, then hold a g21SF. that's it. 3mm's difference front to back.

So are you saying it's like a G22 SF?

yep, that's exactly what it is, my friend. so it will have that "funny" SF feel to it. i had a g21SF and didn't like it because the web of my hand couldn't gip it high up enough which is better for more accurate shooting)

people will run out and buy these because it's the most major change the glock like has ever seen, but that doesn't mean it's any better (and it doesn't look like it is)

plus there's been concerns from LE officers who have handled it at the SWAT show in orlando stating they didn't think the backstraps were very secure...

Posted: 12/24/2009 3:15:19 PM EDT

[#36]

Quoted:

Quoted:
I'm curious about the grip size difference, as well as the different backstraps.

I also wonder if the Gen4 will fit existing holsters.

hold a g21, then hold a g21SF. that's it. 3mm's difference front to back.

So are you saying it's like a G22 SF?

yep, that's exactly what it is, my friend. so it will have that "funny" SF feel to it. i had a g21SF and didn't like it because the web of my hand couldn't gip it high up enough which is better for more accurate shooting)

people will run out and buy these because it's the most major change the glock like has ever seen, but that doesn't mean it's any better (and it doesn't look like it is)

plus there's been concerns from LE officers who have handled it at the SWAT show in orlando stating they didn't think the backstraps were very secure...

OK thanks dude. I've been anxiously awaiting the Gen 4 release, since my small hands just don't like the Glock grip too much. I was thinking about trading my old G22 for the new one. I think I'll try one out before I decide to "upgrade."

A flat or nearly flat backstrap would be the hot ticket, IMO.

Posted: 12/24/2009 4:46:47 PM EDT

[#37]

Dunno if I'm sold on one as of yet. Guess I'll have to check one out.

Posted: 12/24/2009 5:04:01 PM EDT

[#38]

Quoted:

Quoted:
I'm curious about the grip size difference, as well as the different backstraps.

I also wonder if the Gen4 will fit existing holsters.

hold a g21, then hold a g21SF. that's it. 3mm's difference front to back.

So are you saying it's like a G22 SF?

yep, that's exactly what it is, my friend. so it will have that "funny" SF feel to it. i had a g21SF and didn't like it because the web of my hand couldn't gip it high up enough which is better for more accurate shooting)

people will run out and buy these because it's the most major change the glock like has ever seen, but that doesn't mean it's any better (and it doesn't look like it is)

plus there's been concerns from LE officers who have handled it at the SWAT show in orlando stating they didn't think the backstraps were very secure...

OK thanks dude. I've been anxiously awaiting the Gen 4 release, since my small hands just don't like the Glock grip too much. I was thinking about trading my old G22 for the new one. I think I'll try one out before I decide to "upgrade."

A flat or nearly flat backstrap would be the hot ticket, IMO.

i have small hands too. but those SF grips don't feel right. i'm sticking with my g19 rtf2

Posted: 12/24/2009 5:50:45 PM EDT

[#39]

OST...cool

Posted: 12/24/2009 7:07:50 PM EDT

[#40]

Quoted:

Quoted:
It is always cool to see something new. As for now, I will still pass.

This.

I'm thinking the new Recoil Spring Assembly has been done to alleviate the reliability issues associated with G22's with lights attached. Can't imagine it's done solely for recoil reduction...............they don't recoil that badly anyway.

I wonder if the recoil spring assembley is specific to the 40 and not the 9mm..............

This is exactly what I was wondering.

Posted: 12/24/2009 8:40:26 PM EDT

[#41]

I am one who has huge hands and wishes the grip was larger. What's the largest backstrap like?

Posted: 12/25/2009 12:31:00 AM EDT

[#42]

Quoted:

What's the largest backstrap like?

20/21

Posted: 12/25/2009 6:43:44 AM EDT

[#43]

I read that the front sight attaches differently. Can anyone confirm if the sight attachment is different and if they are compatible with previous aftermarket designs?

Posted: 12/25/2009 6:58:01 AM EDT

[#44]

This opens a new market for aftermarket beavertails and other grip modifications for those of us with enormous hands that suffer slide bite.

Posted: 12/25/2009 7:08:02 AM EDT

[#45]

Quoted:
I read that the front sight attaches differently. Can anyone confirm if the sight attachment is different and if they are compatible with previous aftermarket designs?

the front site is attached with a pin now (which is staked in). it's been that way for a few months now on the gen3 glocks.

Posted: 12/25/2009 4:11:38 PM EDT

[#46]

Quoted:

Quoted:

I read that the front sight attaches differently. Can anyone confirm if the sight attachment is different and if they are compatible with previous aftermarket designs?

the front site is attached with a pin now (which is staked in). it's been that way for a few months now on the gen3 glocks.

I thought they went to screw front sights?

Posted: 12/25/2009 5:02:34 PM EDT

[#47]

A buddy's new G19 had the screwed on sight. Is that the only change?

Posted: 12/25/2009 6:03:31 PM EDT

[#48]

Quoted:

Quoted:
I read that the front sight attaches differently. Can anyone confirm if the sight attachment is different and if they are compatible with previous aftermarket designs?

the front site is attached with a pin now (which is staked in). it's been that way for a few months now on the gen3 glocks.

I thought they went to screw front sights?

yep you're right, sorry i shouldn't have said "staked". it's a screw.