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Posted: 7/27/2007 7:51:13 AM EDT
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Posted: 7/27/2007 7:53:17 AM EDT
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At the least expensive end of the spectrum, Tanfoglio Witness (steel or polymer) or Witness Match (single action only). At the more expensive end, Colt Delta Elite, or Dan Wesson Razorback. In revolvers, S&W 610 or Ruger "Buckeye" 38-40/10mm convertible.
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Posted: 7/27/2007 8:27:49 AM EDT
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Are any of those you mentioned in current production? To my knowledge, they are all out of production, but I could be mistaken.
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Posted: 7/27/2007 8:35:04 AM EDT
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I've been wondering what the answer to this question was myself.
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Posted: 7/27/2007 8:39:25 AM EDT
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If you can find one Star made a Megastar 45/10mm. The 45 Megastar was the first pistol I ever purchased. The gun is still with me and going strong It's a tank.
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Posted: 7/27/2007 10:35:50 AM EDT
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I would love to have the Razer Back.
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Posted: 7/27/2007 10:46:37 AM EDT
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AAAHHHH.... I was about to post "Glock 20" and your first posting is OTHER than....
ummm.... let me think... I like the S&W line of autos, if you are into having a heavy gun... other than the Glock and the S&W I haven't heard a lot of good things, (Or seen), about other 10mm handguns. When I worked at an indoor range we had a Delta Elite in the rental case, and it would always crack the frame from repeated use, granted..YOUR 10mm may not get 1000 rounds through it every week, but it was eye-opening how many times we had to take the Colt out for repair and the Glock 20 just kept on running.... |
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Posted: 7/27/2007 11:07:29 AM EDT
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Kimber,Glock, EAA, and Dan Wesson all produce 10mm pistols that are in current production. S&W no longer produces anything in 10mm(thank god). Their autos sucked anyway.Colt delta elites had some issues as well and are no longer in production. All are in current production. I own a a Kimber and a Glock in 10mm. I have shot both the witness and Dan Wesson 10mms as well. As far as price the EAA's are the best bang for the buck. The Dan wessons look nice by they have unsupported chambers/non-ramped barrels. I have seen 3 DW's KB with Double tap ammo. For the price of a Dan Wesson you can get a Kimber Target Eclipse II and have a supported chamber/ramped barrel with night sights. I've been very happy with the Glock and the Kimber.
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Posted: 7/27/2007 4:18:45 PM EDT
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I KNOW Wilson Combat and Night Hawk will make you one.
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Posted: 7/28/2007 12:12:08 PM EDT
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Sign the petition to get Springfield to make a 10mm XD, then life will be grand!
www.petitiononline.com/XD10mm/petition.html |
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Posted: 7/28/2007 12:29:53 PM EDT
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 Smith & Wesson 610 best there is. |
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Posted: 7/28/2007 1:18:50 PM EDT
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Glock 29.
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Posted: 7/28/2007 1:24:25 PM EDT
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G20-29
1006 Witness I had bad luck with my Dan Wesson |
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Posted: 7/28/2007 1:45:02 PM EDT
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I am sorry but, you are serverly missing out by leaving the glock 20 out of the loop!!!
 
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Posted: 7/28/2007 2:11:50 PM EDT
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I have a DW Razoback and a Kimber Eclipse, I don't shoot really hot ammo through the RZ because of the chamber support. It's my target/competetion gun anyway. The Kimber is a carry gun and gets the good stuff. You can see the differences pretty well here. DW chamber:  Kimber chamber:  |
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Posted: 7/28/2007 3:23:59 PM EDT
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They did a limited run of 3" w/ non-fluted cylinders. I would love one of those! J |
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Posted: 7/28/2007 3:27:36 PM EDT
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G20 > every other 10mm
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Posted: 7/28/2007 3:30:37 PM EDT
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Colt Delta Elite, and variants Dan Wesson Razorback RZ-10 Dan Wesson Pointman PM-7 EAA Witness Glock 29 Kimber Custom II Kimber Eclipse S&W 10xx series S&W 610 Star Megastar edited to remove personal biases |
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Posted: 7/28/2007 3:45:25 PM EDT
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I spoke with the Glock and S&W reps about their 10mm guns, and each said that their guns was engineered from the ground up for the more powerful 10mm round, unlike the Colt Delta Elites which were basically a 45ACP convert back then. Don't know about the other 10mm guns came out after my time. I think the stongest 10mm guns would be the LAR Grizzly Mark I. This gun was originally designed to chamber the 45Win Mag(the auto equivalent of the 44Rem mag). LAR(the company that makes many of the AR15 frames and 50BMG, LAR stopped making the Grizzly when they got sued and lost when someone used one of their guns to murder another). The Grizzly MkI is basically a scaled up 1911 with a specially designed slide that can shoot mulitple caliber by changing the barrel, extractor and/or ejector, and mag. In addition to the 45Win Mag, the gun could also shoot 357Rem Mag, 45ACP, 10mm, 44Rem Mag, & 50AE with the appropriate conversion kits. Here is a pic of the Grizzly MkI from Gunbroker.com www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.asp?Item=77051838 HK also chamber the 10mm for the newer MP5 machine guns, MP5/10. I had to the privilege to shoot one, and you and definitely feel the increased recoil of a 10mm over that of the 9mm. You really needed to brace yourself otherwise the recoil will knock you off balance, even on a 3-shot burst. |
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Posted: 7/28/2007 5:04:24 PM EDT
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I've never owned a 10mm but shot a friends G20 the other day and I have to admit it was pretty sweet shooting. And I'm not from the GLOCK "do all" camp.
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Posted: 7/28/2007 6:02:45 PM EDT
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why do you exclude the best ever made 10mm, the glock 20?
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Posted: 7/28/2007 6:38:14 PM EDT
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+1 Anything other than a G20/G29 is compromise of reliability and durability. |
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Posted: 7/29/2007 5:13:42 AM EDT
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Posted: 7/29/2007 5:37:46 AM EDT
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feel free... every SW 10mm i shot had a horrible trigger and handled the recoil poorly. J |
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Posted: 7/29/2007 6:12:56 AM EDT
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I agree. I had a S&W 1006 that weighed almost twice as much as my GLOCK 20, but the recoil was far worse than the GLOCK. |
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Posted: 7/29/2007 9:37:36 AM EDT
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Really? the recoil of a 10MM is nothing anyway, and the trigger on mine is just as good or better than a G20 my son-in-law has. As soon as I see a 1006 at a gun show in decent shape, I will definitely get that one also.
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Posted: 7/30/2007 8:12:55 AM EDT
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Then you've never shot full-power 10mm loads. Most of the commercial 10mm ammo out there today has been downloaded because the full-power stuff tears up most pistols on the market. Order up some ammo from DoubleTap and see what you think of 10mm recoil. |
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Posted: 7/30/2007 8:58:48 AM EDT
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That is insane, glad I didn't buy a RB! |
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Posted: 7/30/2007 9:41:12 AM EDT
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I'm not saying Glocks suck. It's just that the Glock 20/29 is all I've seen really in gun shops so I wanted to get an idea of what else is out there. I fired a Glock 20 at my range and didn't think the recoil was that bad. I probably had some underloaded range ammo. I told the range officer that the recoil wasn't that bad and he said, "Yeah, it's pretty much feels like a .40 doesn't it?" (It kind of felt like he knew the ammo was the wimply stuff.)Thanks for all the great responses guys! 
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Posted: 7/30/2007 9:53:23 AM EDT
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Bytor94 - THANK YOU! PERFECT illustration of how 1911's have ZERO case head support!!!! (except the ramped barrel ones). People just don't get it. Traditional 1911 chamber is COMPLETELY UNSUPPORTED. It does not matter as fas as .45 ACP because the pressures are so low (like shotgun shell low - and that is LOW!). But bump up the pressure to factory 10mm, .40 cal, .38 Super +p or hot 9mm, and the the 1911's NON EXISTANT chamber support becomes a BIG problem. |
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Posted: 7/30/2007 10:16:44 AM EDT
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The GLOCK 20 is a pussycat with even the hottest 10mm loads, and I have small hands. I put 50 rounds of Doubletap's 165 grain Gold Dot at 1400FPS through my G20 on Friday. No pain, little muzzle rise, and easily controllable. To me it was no harsher than an alloy frame .45 with 230 grain ball. The S&W 1006 I had would start to hurt my hand after 15-20 rounds of 175 grain Silvertip. Any grown man who complains about 10mm recoil in a GLOCK 20 is just being a wuss. |
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Posted: 7/30/2007 12:35:20 PM EDT
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Posted: 7/30/2007 12:38:27 PM EDT
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goes to show it's all relative guys. When all I shot was .22 and .45 the .357 was brutal. Now that I shoot .44 and .454 the .357 is meek.
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Posted: 7/30/2007 12:51:16 PM EDT
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Posted: 7/30/2007 2:05:53 PM EDT
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Don't kid yourself. The 10mm is nice, but it ain't a .41 Mag. |
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Posted: 7/30/2007 2:45:25 PM EDT
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G29 or Colt Delta 10mm
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Posted: 7/30/2007 4:17:16 PM EDT
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The original Norma loads were throwing a 200gr slug at velocities similar to .41 Magnum loadings. If that doesn't make it "about equivalent" then I don't know what does. Was it equal? No, but they were a hell of a lot hotter than any .357 loads. Current 10mm loads are barely hotter than the .40 Short & Wimpy. |
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Posted: 7/30/2007 7:13:52 PM EDT
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No, Norma originally loaded a 200 grain bullet at around 1200fps and a 170 at 1400. That's stiill well over a hundred fps less than similar-weight cartidges from a decent .41 load. Like I said, I like the 10mm, but let's be truthful...it's a .357 Mag, maybe a bit more, but it retains the ability to shoot heavier bullets than the .35 caliber. |
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Posted: 7/30/2007 8:17:28 PM EDT
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Winchester 10mm 175 grain Silvertip
Distance (yds) Velocity (fps) Energy (ft.lbs.) Muzzle 1290 649 - Winchester .41 Mag 175 grain Silvertip Distance (yds) Velocity (fps) Energy (ft.lbs.) Muzzle 1250 607 |
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Posted: 7/31/2007 9:56:10 AM EDT
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While I'd love to agree with you, I just can't because Mateba is right. Compare DT's ammo specs in 6" barrels and you'll see that the 10mm just barely wins out over the .357Mag. I absolutely LOVE my G20L and have since I first made it 3 years ago but it ain't no .41Mag. Now, I'm not saying that a 165grn GD bullet going 1,503fps which produces 823lbs/ft ME is a slouch either. The Glock clearly has important advantages over 6" barreled .357Mag and .41Mag pistols as listed below: • Size: The Glock is smaller and thinner • Weight: My custom G20L weighs 4.72oz more than a stock G20 (w/o the Magwell) and it still weighs less than either 6" barreled revolver • Comfort: I've shot over 300 full power 10mm at a time with no discomfort while after 12 rounds of .357Mag out of a friend's beautiful 6" Nickel Colt Python my wrist is sore from the torque • Capacity: My G20L holds 3 times the ammo without reloading Absolute single round knockdown power is one thing. But in a heavy caliber handgun, size, carry weight, shootability, and capacity (6 rds are good, 18rds are great!) are all also important and there the Glock is undisputedly the winner overall.  |
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Posted: 8/9/2007 9:37:33 PM EDT
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I seriously doubt they downloaded the 10mm rounds because it broke guns! They have downloaded LOTS of rounds because of their lawyers! I have been shooting 10mm from a stainless Delta Elite since 1991 with zero problems (as pointed out earlier, VERY early runs of the Colt cracked above the slide stop notch, but once Colt milled that away, PROBLEM GONE). I also use Double Tap for the very reason that it is top notch ammo and the ONLY way to enjoy the horsepower advantage of the 10mm (except for my nuclear handloads!). |
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Posted: 8/9/2007 9:39:59 PM EDT
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Actually, quite a bit closer to the .41 Magnum if you are using Double Tap. Check out Mike McNetts energy figures for any given 10mm load on his website. (And I too shoot more powerful, ala my .44 Mag and a friend's .500 S&W) |
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Posted: 8/9/2007 11:53:28 PM EDT
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I will someday own a custom 1911 in 10mm.
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