fouled bore - pic

Posted: 11/22/2003 5:06:31 PM EDT

I took a peek down the barrel of my Glock today and noticed that it's probably as fouled as it can get. Looks like come carbon, copper, bits of rock, etc.. Its bacically a smooth bore! Good thing for octagonal barrels :-)

Posted: 11/22/2003 5:21:14 PM EDT

[#1]

After pics? Is that the bottom one?

Posted: 11/22/2003 5:26:54 PM EDT

[#2]

More like, "current" pics. I'm not done yet -I have no intention of cleaning. Both pics are the same barrel - just different angles and lighting. Its really more impressive to see in person, and you can actually see the fouling down the barrel.

Posted: 11/22/2003 5:29:48 PM EDT

[#3]

I bet. Planning on doing any accuracy tests? Have previous/clean results to compare to?

=)

Posted: 11/22/2003 5:42:00 PM EDT

[#4]

That thing has always been super accurate. Hard to compare clean vs. dirty as it hasnt seen a drop of oil or any type of cleaning for several thousand rounds. believe it or not, when I pulled it out of the mud ground - still caked with mud, it not only fired, but cycled and basically shot a 4" 10 shot group from about 75 feet. When picking up the brass, mine had mud dried on them from bouncing off the mud covered extractor and slide.

Posted: 11/22/2003 7:25:39 PM EDT

[#5]

This is NOT BS, everyone. I saw the man shoot the thing. The accuracy is astounding. I thought he was missing the target all-together, but they were all in the black!

That poor pistol...

Posted: 11/23/2003 2:46:57 AM EDT

[#6]

Ok I know a Glock will take the abuse. But why do you Hate your gun. Send it to me and I will give it a good home with my other Glocks. Tell it that it's new owner is a Glock Armorer and will respect it and treat it better. LOL

Posted: 11/23/2003 4:59:46 AM EDT

[#7]

I'm curious to see how a SA XD series pistol would fare under the same conditions. Any intentions on testing an XD?

I don't own an XD nor do I plan to ever buy one. I'm just curious

Posted: 11/23/2003 5:28:00 AM EDT

[#8]

But why do you Hate your gun.

Hate it? I love it! Its the best pistiol I have ever owned!!! Its an odd relationship. 1911's are my favorite, but I can shoot this glock better than any pistol I own, even my Gold Cup. Its not by choice, but I can shoot tighter groups - faster with my 21. (even with it's crud filled trigger group and gritty 8+ lb. trigger)
If you knew HALF of what this has been through you would be amazed. It still has the original plastic sights. The only thing I have replaced in the 8 years I have owned it is the recoil spring, which was noticably wore out between 50-60K rounds.

I'm curious to see how a SA XD series pistol would fare under the same conditions.

I'll never know, I have no interest in owning an XD. I doubt it though. IMO the XD has too many places for dirt to get into.

Posted: 11/25/2003 12:27:22 AM EDT

[#9]

I hope you treat your women better than your guns.

Posted: 11/25/2003 4:56:59 AM EDT

[#10]

This seems about the right use for a Glock...

Keeping the ol Jeep from rolling away...

Posted: 11/25/2003 12:04:17 PM EDT

[#11]

Just to confirm, this is, infact a G21?

Please keep us informed until the day your Glock dies. I'd like to see what finally puts it over the edge.

Posted: 11/26/2003 5:47:52 AM EDT

[#12]

Yes its a glock 21. Nothing but time will put an end to it. I really wish I had documented its life, but I stopped keeping track of stuff after I quit reloading. Lets see at first it shot 10K rounds of lead - cleaning after every use. Then 50K rounds of jacket reloads. (I kept all the bullet boxes for counting) a few years ago I started buying S&B by the case and for a while was going through 3-4K rounds a month. I had to stop shooting so often as my hand began hurt. The whole "how much more can it take" is probably only 8-10K rounds old.

Posted: 11/26/2003 6:12:42 AM EDT

[#13]

Quoted:
Yes its a glock 21. Nothing but time will put an end to it. I really wish I had documented its life, but I stopped keeping track of stuff after I quit reloading. Lets see at first it shot 10K rounds of lead - cleaning after every use. Then 50K rounds of jacket reloads. (I kept all the bullet boxes for counting) a few years ago I started buying S&B by the case and for a while was going through 3-4K rounds a month. I had to stop shooting so often as my hand began hurt. The whole "how much more can it take" is probably only 8-10K rounds old.

Have you ever had any stoppages or parts breakages on this firearm? Even small ones?

Posted: 11/26/2003 6:41:22 AM EDT

[#14]

I only replaced the recoil spring. It still worked, but you could tell it was just wore out. Nothing has ever broke.
It still has the original sights (which remain even after using the pistol as a hockey puck for broom hockey, being dropped on cement, and kicked up driveways) the trigger spring and components are all original. I cant think of the last time it didnt work other than when I attempted it shoot it under water. 99.8% of the rounds through it are ball, which feeds without problem. A couple nights ago I put some .45 supers through (230gr Horandy XTP, and 185gr GoldDot) no problem there either.
I've had some weak reloads it didnt like, but all factory ammo through it has been flawless.
I have never even done anyting more than field stripped it.
I originally bought this (because at the time I couldnt afford a USP) to shoot when I didnt take my gold cup. I wanted something I didnt have to take as good care of - not worry if I scratched the Stainless Steel, didnt worry if I cleaned it every time, etc..
From the first time out of the box, I shot circles around every other pistol I owned with this.
I did eventually get the USP, but wasnt able to hit the side of a barn with it. Must be the Ergonomics. I finally got frustrated with the USP and sold it. I relly liked it, but it just didnt work for me...

Posted: 11/26/2003 4:51:04 PM EDT

[#15]

I love my G22. My wife has a G17. I'm responsible for 25 Glocks. I'm sort of like the Maytag repairman, not very busy.

Posted: 11/26/2003 5:11:40 PM EDT

[#16]

Damn safe queen

Posted: 11/27/2003 3:12:13 AM EDT

[#17]

IIanero, I'm an armorer, I don't have 27 Glocks of my own.

Posted: 11/27/2003 3:57:47 AM EDT

[#18]

Of course it still functions fine, it's a Glock. Why should we be impressed. ;)

Try it with a Larcin. If you have the same results, then i'll be impressed.:o)

Posted: 11/28/2003 11:49:00 AM EDT

[#19]

Do you have any pictures of the pistol "cleaned" up?

I'd like to see how the finish/polymer frame is holding up to the extreme abuse.

I have a Glock 17 and love the idea of how rugged and reliable it is.

Just wondering how the slide/frame is looking after all of the abuse.

Posted: 11/28/2003 2:58:41 PM EDT

[#20]

It looks fine....

There is a bit more visible wear, but it gets washed out in pictures.

Posted: 11/28/2003 3:41:35 PM EDT

[#21]

Great pics. And to think I've been cleaning my first gen G23 religiously after every range session. Ha, now with a clear conscience I can just chuck it into the gunsafe.

Hmm, on second thought as it's my carry piece maybe I'd better stick to cleaning it.

That is dang impressive, though, what your G21 has been through. Glock on.

Posted: 12/7/2003 3:16:02 PM EDT

[#22]

Good test for that Glock, might have to get one of them.

Posted: 12/7/2003 4:45:24 PM EDT

[#23]

Quoted:
The only thing I have replaced in the 8 years I have owned it is the recoil spring, which was noticably wore out between 50-60K rounds.

I don't want to seem like a non-believer as I love my glocks also, but my G22 that I purchased in 1992 doesn't have the frame with the finger grooves.
Your G21 does. Is that the original frame or was it replaced at some point? I didn't think Glock started with the finger grooves until much later.
Here is a pic of my G22 and some proof that it is deadly to bowling pins.

Posted: 12/7/2003 4:54:35 PM EDT

[#24]

That's the original finger groove/acc rail that it came with when I bought it new in '96.
It is currently soaking in a can of kroil right now. I guess its time to clean it up and see what condition things are in under there. I already ordered new firing pin and trigger springs. When I took the current ones out they seemed to be flaking apart - badly.

Posted: 12/10/2003 4:53:43 AM EDT

[#25]

After a complete detail strip and cleaning, it looks almost brand new. The firing pin spring seemed a bit worn so I replaced it, the spring cups, and the trigger spring. The only spot that indicates any wear is the top inside of the slide which has been polished smooth as glass.

Posted: 12/10/2003 4:57:07 PM EDT

[#26]

Wow! I can't wait to feel the trigger now that it is clean.

Posted: 12/11/2003 9:43:05 AM EDT

[#27]

All I can say is WOW!

I just became a Glock owner on Saturday and seeing this post makes me glad I bought one.

Posted: 12/11/2003 2:08:31 PM EDT

[#28]

I have a practically brand-new cond. HK USP fullsize 40cal SS slide variant 1. LOVE it to death. I also adore Glocks, my next weapon will either be a Springfield 1911A1 Blued or a Glock. I'd love to get a good "beater" like an older 2nd gen 17, some hi-caps, and NEVER clean it, see what happens, just for my sake....

I'd like to see some true torture tests of a USP, but who wants to do that to their pistol?

Posted: 3/2/2004 7:19:27 PM EDT

[#29]

Question: are you running it with 10 rounders or hi-caps?

Posted: 3/2/2004 7:44:09 PM EDT

[#30]

I have 4 "full" capacity magazines.

My "magazine" terms:
limited capacity - any magazine limited to hold less than it was designed for.
full capacity - standard issue magazines which hold the full capacity for which they were designed.
high capacity - beta mags and such :-)

Posted: 3/2/2004 7:50:36 PM EDT

[#31]

Cool. Ive seen magazine issues in the past with G21s. Doesnt appear you have them

Posted: 3/2/2004 7:55:55 PM EDT

[#32]

There was one that I used all the time. The spring got so week the follower would wobble. There were issues there. I replaced the spring and never had a problem.

Posted: 3/2/2004 10:20:11 PM EDT

[#33]

"Ok I know a Glock will take the abuse. But why do you Hate your gun. Send it to me and I will give it a good home with my other Glocks. Tell it that it's new owner is a Glock Armorer and will respect it and treat it better. LOL"

Warning you will see my own personal opinion in the following message, if you don't like personal opinions please look away.

No shit. Maybe you don't even damage the gun, but take a look at it, it looks like crap, theres a caked on layer of mud that makes it look like a damn garden tool.

What are you trying to prove? It's all allready been done, to a pistol you didn't have to invest your hard earned money in.

My brother owned a G19 for 3 years and never once cleaned it till the day he sold it, he basically used hoppes #9 and cleaned it with a toothbrush.

It never jammed (granted he probably only fired 1000rds in that time period), he handled and dry fired it a lot with sweaty hands and it started to show surface rust in some areas (He traded a mini-14 for it from a police officer at a gun show when he was 15). It was allready well used and a lot of the polymer coating worn off. The tennifer is tough, the rust just wiped off and he was able to sell the G-19 with 4hi-caps for $450 and buy a new pair of skis for the KMHS downhill ski-racing team.

All I'm saying is, stomping it in the mud only increases your chance of something being in the wrong place at the wrong time, and in the process makes the gun look like shit.

Yeah I was a little surprised when he wasn't even asked for ID, and that an off-duty police officer would trade a kid a handgun (naturally he could have just as easilly transferred it to my dad at the time and my brother still would have gotten a Glock, so it really isn't that big an issue.)

Posted: 3/7/2004 12:20:20 PM EDT

[#34]

Quoted:
No shit. Maybe you don't even damage the gun, but take a look at it, it looks like crap, theres a caked on layer of mud that makes it look like a damn garden tool.
All I'm saying is, stomping it in the mud only increases your chance of something being in the wrong place at the wrong time, and in the process makes the gun look like shit.

Good point. The Israeli's are so last week with their beat up M-16's. Definitely, not envogue. Perhaps the Palestinians would take them more seriously if their weapons were presentable.

Posted: 3/7/2004 3:00:40 PM EDT

[#35]

Quoted:
Good point. The Israeli's are so last week with their beat up M-16's. Definitely, not envogue. Perhaps the Palestinians would take them more seriously if their weapons were presentable.

Yeah...

Posted: 3/7/2004 4:52:12 PM EDT

[#36]

Quoted:
Good point. The Israeli's are so last week with their beat up M-16's. Definitely, not envogue. Perhaps the Palestinians would take them more seriously if their weapons were presentable.

Posted: 3/7/2004 8:50:46 PM EDT

[#37]

I'm certainly no Glock fan, but I will say this test is incredible. I can see why they have such a following.

Posted: 3/7/2004 9:09:22 PM EDT

[#38]

I thought the Gen 3 Glock frames came out in 1998?

Posted: 3/8/2004 9:39:39 AM EDT

[#39]

"beat up M-16's"

Beat up but well maintained and free of caked on dirt and sand.

The level of maintanance is the intimidating factor and says one thing: "I am a well trained soldier."

That is why they are intimidating.

Posted: 3/8/2004 3:03:25 PM EDT

[#40]

Quoted:
"beat up M-16's"

Beat up but well maintained and free of caked on dirt and sand.

The level of maintanance is the intimidating factor and says one thing: "I am a well trained soldier."

That is why they are intimidating.

Kind of hard to have caked on dirt and sand when there's no water, huh?

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