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Huh, thanks for AAR. Good to hear. I bought one a year ago and haven’t even shot it. Was just intrigued by the design and the price. Didn’t know PSA has the mags. Thx.
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GD- "It's kind of like wading through through slimy lake bed with your feet to find clams below the surface".
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Sightmark held up so far? It looks really nice for the money.
You should post this in GD. People would be just as interested in the Sightmark torture test. People will whine and cry about buying China-Turk, but we can all agree that large cap Shotties are needed, with the prevalence of armed drones. |
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GD- "It's kind of like wading through through slimy lake bed with your feet to find clams below the surface".
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and for the case - Here we go - $18 dollah from TEMU. If you haven't shopped TEMU, this is would be what Big Lots and Aldi shoppers scoff at on their way to Harbor Freight - that's TEMU baby! Amazon is Macy's, compared to TEMU!
https://www.temu.com/goods.html?_bg_fs=1&goods_id=601099522782935&_x_sessn_id=7q694qltg9&refer_page_name=bgt_order_detail&refer_page_id=10045_1711568001018_afcezvszgf&refer_page_sn=10045 Order the 33" unit, and after it makes it over from China (seriously, they dispatch from China), for my $17.49 case (including freight) arrives. Like most China junk, it's feature rich, quality low. And kind of perfect. First off, 33" is a total lie, but it fits my 30" shotgun OAL perfectly - even with the extended length that the Benelli's choke adds. The fit. It's padded, but the padding is pretty thin, in comparison to something actually name brand. But good enough. It fits my magazines, and accessories (I always save glasses/earphone/etc cases to then use as gun-specific parts-cases, to keep with the gun), and every gun I have has a little record book to track shells, maintenance, zero's etc. And of course, always a spare battery. Turns out, all my magazines, even the goofy 19 round ones, fit in the case all at once. It's kind of perfect. Here's that extra attention to detail you get, with a feature rich $17 case from China. It comes with two internal velco straps to secure your gun! Annnddd sure, it certainly does, both right next to each other about 2 " apart. The one part I can't figure out is it has this goofy feature on one end, that I can't udnerstand why is there at all, and what it's supposed to be used for. Here's another view. It has a zipper, but when you open the bag, the zipper has to open. It has a draw-string, but the that also has to be loss for the bag to actually open. It's covered by the main zipper when you zip up the bag, so it's not isolating anything. You can't put anything in it, because it butterflys open when you open the bag. My best guess it's it's some sort of concept a high-end brand did, that they copied, and completely botched the entire incorporation and design detail of? I've never seen anything like it. Anyway, no big deal - point is, this case is kind of perfect for the Tokarev, and juuussst the right price! |
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Originally Posted By BillofRights: Sightmark held up so far? It looks really nice for the money. You should post this in GD. People would be just as interested in the Sightmark torture test. People will whine and cry about buying China-Turk, but we can all agree that large cap Shotties are needed, with the prevalence of armed drones. View Quote Double post it in GD as well? I think double-posting is discouraged, but I suppose a link can be posted there? Hit it! |
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Because I'm a fan of bullpup shotguns I looked up the Tokarev,
According to their web site these are chambered for 3 inch shells. Did you actually shoot 3 1/2 inch shells???? If so, that ain't safe. They certainly offer some bright colors. |
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Originally Posted By dfariswheel: Because I'm a fan of bullpup shotguns I looked up the Tokarev, According to their web site these are chambered for 3 inch shells. Did you actually shoot 3 1/2 inch shells???? If so, that ain't safe. They certainly offer some bright colors. View Quote Ack!! Good catch - I remembered in error. I was running 2 3/4 and 3" magnum - not 3.5, Good catch. I will correct that error, thank you. |
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Originally Posted By dfariswheel: Because I'm a fan of bullpup shotguns I looked up the Tokarev, According to their web site these are chambered for 3 inch shells. Did you actually shoot 3 1/2 inch shells???? If so, that ain't safe. They certainly offer some bright colors. View Quote Especially with your face right there, yikes. These are repackaged Radikal Arms bullpups from a few years ago that were so bad a gun shop ended up throwing away hundreds of them. Before that they were the Panzer BP-12. It seems they dump these cheap bullpups on the market every few years, people buy them because they are cheap and most don’t shoot them much. The ones who do shoot them more than a few hundred rounds start running into issues and once words gets out, they are repackaged, renamed and sold all over again. While I hope the OPs will hold up, I’m not very optimistic it will last the long term. At less than $250 it’s not really a huge loss if it does give up though. Attached File Edit: If someone can produce a reliable, inexpensive, semi auto, mag fed shotgun they will make some money. That is the direction 3 gun is going right now just because of the speed of the reloads. |
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Originally Posted By MK318: Especially with your face right there, yikes. These are repackaged Radikal Arms bullpups from a few years ago that were so bad a gun shop ended up throwing away hundreds of them. Before that they were the Panzer BP-12. It seems they dump these cheap bullpups on the market every few years, people buy them because they are cheap and most don’t shoot them much. The ones who do shoot them more than a few hundred rounds start running into issues and once words gets out, they are repackaged, renamed and sold all over again. While I hope the OPs will hold up, I’m not very optimistic it will last the long term. At less than $250 it’s not really a huge loss if it does give up though. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/557335/IMG_4223_jpeg-3171304.JPG Edit: If someone can produce a reliable, inexpensive, semi auto, mag fed shotgun they will make some money. That is the direction 3 gun is going right now just because of the speed of the reloads. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By MK318: Originally Posted By dfariswheel: Because I'm a fan of bullpup shotguns I looked up the Tokarev, According to their web site these are chambered for 3 inch shells. Did you actually shoot 3 1/2 inch shells???? If so, that ain't safe. They certainly offer some bright colors. Especially with your face right there, yikes. These are repackaged Radikal Arms bullpups from a few years ago that were so bad a gun shop ended up throwing away hundreds of them. Before that they were the Panzer BP-12. It seems they dump these cheap bullpups on the market every few years, people buy them because they are cheap and most don’t shoot them much. The ones who do shoot them more than a few hundred rounds start running into issues and once words gets out, they are repackaged, renamed and sold all over again. While I hope the OPs will hold up, I’m not very optimistic it will last the long term. At less than $250 it’s not really a huge loss if it does give up though. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/557335/IMG_4223_jpeg-3171304.JPG Edit: If someone can produce a reliable, inexpensive, semi auto, mag fed shotgun they will make some money. That is the direction 3 gun is going right now just because of the speed of the reloads. Agreed. Though I will say the Bullpup-right-in-your-face concern, which is definitely one to think of, tends to be overstated since a Kaboom will tend to go path of least resistance, which is down the magwell and ejection port, both of which are huge, and the pressure of shotgun is quite low/ with a lot steel there on the face-side. Forgotten Weapons talks about it with the much higher pressure RDB, and notes it's really kind of a non-item. There actually is a video of a guy who had an OOB with a bullpup shotgun (he didn't close the bolt all the way on the manual manipulation), and it was pretty much a non-item; I think they were able to keep firing the gun even. When my corroded 3" estate-sale buckshot magnums failed (that was a bit brave of me to run - I'll admit), the gun definitely gassed and spit out the ejection port, but kept on running. As to the photo - I've seen that before. I've never really understood that photo - the guns don't look obviously demilled. And while it's effectively the same gun (again, I'm pretty sure all of these Turkish ones are the exact same gun from the exact same factory), the part I don't get is an FFL can just throw a bunch of guns away into an accessible dumpster like that? I hope their trash-collection driver doesn't have a felony. I can't tell if that photo is actually legit, or if it's staged. I get it either way: these are cheap $250 shotguns, And for all I know maybe they had some runs that were even worse early on. But as you say, for $250, I rather doubt this is going to be a lifetime hard-use gun. And has the potential for all kinds of disappointments in all kinds of different ways. Though Turkey is a mixed bag - they actually can make some pretty great guns for dirt cheap. Is this one of those pretty great guns... uhhh... we'll see! But I will say, right now, I kind of completely love it! But, i won't sad if it dies - it's a $250 shotgun. For those who have one, or want to get something on a lark, this things basically a walking claymore you can keep shooting at high rate as long as you keep feeding it magazines. But you definitely have to break it in. |
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Originally Posted By lazyengineer: Agreed. Though I will say the Bullpup-right-in-your-face concern, which is definitely one to think of, tends to be overstated since a Kaboom will tend to go path of least resistance, which is down the magwell and ejection port, both of which are huge, and the pressure of shotgun is quite low/ with a lot steel there on the face-side. Forgotten Weapons talks about it with the much higher pressure RDB, and notes it's really kind of a non-item. There actually is a video of a guy who had an OOB with a bullpup shotgun (he didn't close the bolt all the way on the manual manipulation), and it was pretty much a non-item; I think they were able to keep firing the gun even. When my corroded 3" estate-sale buckshot magnums failed (that was a bit brave of me to run - I'll admit), the gun definitely gassed and spit out the ejection port, but kept on running. As to the photo - I've seen that before. I've never really understood that photo - the guns don't look obviously demilled. And while it's effectively the same gun (again, I'm pretty sure all of these Turkish ones are the exact same gun from the exact same factory), the part I don't get is an FFL can just throw a bunch of guns away into an accessible dumpster like that? I hope their trash-collection driver doesn't have a felony. I can't tell if that photo is actually legit, or if it's staged. I get it either way: these are cheap $250 shotguns, And for all I know maybe they had some runs that were even worse early on. But as you say, for $250, I rather doubt this is going to be a lifetime hard-use gun. And has the potential for all kinds of disappointments in all kinds of different ways. Though Turkey is a mixed bag - they actually can make some pretty great guns for dirt cheap. Is this one of those pretty great guns... uhhh... we'll see! But I will say, right now, I kind of completely love it! But, i won't sad if it dies - it's a $250 shotgun. For those who have one, or want to get something on a lark, this things basically a walking claymore you can keep shooting at high rate as long as you keep feeding it magazines. But you definitely have to break it in. View Quote IIRC it was the repair center for an importer and they were half ass chopping up guns sent in and throwing them away https://katv.com/news/nation-world/dumpster-filled-with-nearly-250-firearms-found-outside-oklahoma-gun-shop |
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Originally Posted By NWRed: IIRC it was the repair center for an importer and they were half ass chopping up guns sent in and throwing them away https://katv.com/news/nation-world/dumpster-filled-with-nearly-250-firearms-found-outside-oklahoma-gun-shop View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By NWRed: Originally Posted By lazyengineer: Agreed. Though I will say the Bullpup-right-in-your-face concern, which is definitely one to think of, tends to be overstated since a Kaboom will tend to go path of least resistance, which is down the magwell and ejection port, both of which are huge, and the pressure of shotgun is quite low/ with a lot steel there on the face-side. Forgotten Weapons talks about it with the much higher pressure RDB, and notes it's really kind of a non-item. There actually is a video of a guy who had an OOB with a bullpup shotgun (he didn't close the bolt all the way on the manual manipulation), and it was pretty much a non-item; I think they were able to keep firing the gun even. When my corroded 3" estate-sale buckshot magnums failed (that was a bit brave of me to run - I'll admit), the gun definitely gassed and spit out the ejection port, but kept on running. As to the photo - I've seen that before. I've never really understood that photo - the guns don't look obviously demilled. And while it's effectively the same gun (again, I'm pretty sure all of these Turkish ones are the exact same gun from the exact same factory), the part I don't get is an FFL can just throw a bunch of guns away into an accessible dumpster like that? I hope their trash-collection driver doesn't have a felony. I can't tell if that photo is actually legit, or if it's staged. I get it either way: these are cheap $250 shotguns, And for all I know maybe they had some runs that were even worse early on. But as you say, for $250, I rather doubt this is going to be a lifetime hard-use gun. And has the potential for all kinds of disappointments in all kinds of different ways. Though Turkey is a mixed bag - they actually can make some pretty great guns for dirt cheap. Is this one of those pretty great guns... uhhh... we'll see! But I will say, right now, I kind of completely love it! But, i won't sad if it dies - it's a $250 shotgun. For those who have one, or want to get something on a lark, this things basically a walking claymore you can keep shooting at high rate as long as you keep feeding it magazines. But you definitely have to break it in. IIRC it was the repair center for an importer and they were half ass chopping up guns sent in and throwing them away https://katv.com/news/nation-world/dumpster-filled-with-nearly-250-firearms-found-outside-oklahoma-gun-shop Yeah they half ass demilled them and tossed them in the trash. They even gave two to a guy as wall hangers. ATF was not amused but fuck them. I’m not exactly sure what happened to the shop though. |
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I've seen a few of those Turkish Bullpups & thought "What's Up with Those?"
Thanks for the Review! Hope it was fun burning all those shells! Bigger_Hammer |
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LIFE'S JOURNEY IS NOT TO ARRIVE AT THE GRAVE SAFELY IN A WELL PRESERVED BODY,
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Since the price has dropped I grabbed a Marine version of the Tokarev bullpup. It is still in transit. I have a thing for bull pups including a High Standard police shotgun from the 1970’s. Then I discovered the Hatsan Escort Bullpup which is tube fed instead of the box mags. So I ordered one of those also for under $250. I’ll see how they compare in a few weeks when they come in.
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While they're pump guns, the Kel-Tec KSG and KS7 both have hardened steel receivers and load and eject from the bottom.
Any problems and it goes down not in your face. I have thoughts that Kel-Tec just might develop a semi auto model. The idea of a KA-BOOM in a shotgun blowing up a receiver is pretty much not likely, both due to the lower pressure shotgun shells and a receiver strong enough to stand up to any blow outs. Where I'd be concerned would be in a powerful rifle round like a .308 and up. |
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I think it would be funny to show up for a old-timey bird hunt Dove, pheasent, quail, etc) with a bulpup shotgun like this or a KS7.
I saw there is a Keltec 30" version of the KSG - Perfect for the Duck blind or Geese I should send an email to Kel-Tec and ask if they make a duck plug to limit the KSG to two rounds! |
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Boyah - cheap mags on sale this weekend at Classic Arms. No free shipping, which sucks, and no 20 round mags. But good prices on the 5 and 10's. I grabbed a couple more - why not?
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Originally Posted By lazyengineer: Boyah - cheap mags on sale this weekend at Classic Arms. No free shipping, which sucks, and no 20 round mags. But good prices on the 5 and 10's. I grabbed a couple more - why not? View Quote Yep $14.99 for a steel 10 rounder is a decent deal. I've found that most of these turk mags work good in my VR80s as does the drum. |
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I have the Charles Daily version. Have around 10 rounds through it. Plan to break it in this summer. Changed out the choke so I can shoot slugs. Not to bad recoil. Taking it apart requires an engineer degree. Dam it sucks to take apart. Cheap sites. Need to find a cheap red dot. Got it for SHTF blaster. 00 buck and slugs. About same price OP paid. I’ll shoot it until it dies, then junk it. Still on the hunt for a real good semi auto 12 gauge with magazines.
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Thanks for the amusing review. I laughed in several parts. I'm also impressed this thing is turning out as good as it has.
My buddy has the Black Aces version of these bullpup shotguns and, with the exception of the really light loaded birdshot, it's been pretty reliable. Don't know how closely they're related to this particular gun, but I'd not be surprised to find out they're closely related or made in the same factory. Does this take the 1919 style mags? If so, you should be able to get a drum for it. That take some of the ridiculousness out of the length of the mag, without a obscene addition to width. I went with the Lynx for my cheap semi auto shotgun fix and the best part of that is you get anything that works with the Saiga, which is honestly maybe too much at times. The mags and especially the drums are great, though. I'm really liking the 12 rounders as a compromise between size, weight, and capacity. |
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Originally Posted By tep0583: Thanks for the amusing review. I laughed in several parts. I'm also impressed this thing is turning out as good as it has. My buddy has the Black Aces version of these bullpup shotguns and, with the exception of the really light loaded birdshot, it's been pretty reliable. Don't know how closely they're related to this particular gun, but I'd not be surprised to find out they're closely related or made in the same factory. Does this take the 1919 style mags? If so, you should be able to get a drum for it. That take some of the ridiculousness out of the length of the mag, without a obscene addition to width. I went with the Lynx for my cheap semi auto shotgun fix and the best part of that is you get anything that works with the Saiga, which is honestly maybe too much at times. The mags and especially the drums are great, though. I'm really liking the 12 rounders as a compromise between size, weight, and capacity. View Quote Glad you enjoyed! Also, glad you brought uo the drum. I've been told from other's with Turk-pup 12 Ga experience that those aren't a good pairing. Apparently they bulk up and don't fit tucked under your arm so good. So test that before spending the money on one. Interestingly, The laughably long stick magazines aren't a big deal in the bullpup, since it's essentially under your arm and along your side. Kind of the opposite a conventional layout would prefer. And you can see in the first image the guy shooting it, the 10 round magazine that is a non item. |
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Here ya go: $199 Turk-pup and even cones with 2 mags.
https://gun.deals/product/revolution-armory-trp-35-12-gauge-185-5rd-bullpup-shotgun-black-19999 I know nothing about it. But I will say, I value removable chokes because that opens the door to a lot of usages - including showing up at "respectable" shotgun events . Website doesn't say, so id pass if no removeable chokes - but $199 is pretty cheap! |
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Originally Posted By lazyengineer: Glad you enjoyed! Also, glad you brought uo the drum. I've been told from other's with Turk-pup 12 Ga experience that those aren't a good pairing. Apparently they bulk up and don't fit tucked under your arm so good. So test that before spending the money on one. Interestingly, The laughably long stick magazines aren't a big deal in the bullpup, since it's essentially under your arm and along your side. Kind of the opposite a conventional layout would prefer. And you can see in the first image the guy shooting it, the 10 round magazine that is a non item. View Quote Good point. My buddy DID mention that the drums are kinda unwieldy in the bullpup. |
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Originally Posted By wreckless: Since the price has dropped I grabbed a Marine version of the Tokarev bullpup. It is still in transit. I have a thing for bull pups including a High Standard police shotgun from the 1970’s. Then I discovered the Hatsan Escort Bullpup which is tube fed instead of the box mags. So I ordered one of those also for under $250. I’ll see how they compare in a few weeks when they come in. View Quote @wreckless How has the Escort Bullpup been treating you? I have one of these Tokarov Bullpups that I bought on a whim and haven't shot it yet. I struggle to find time to get to the range. So when I do, I most times shoot my CCW and current hot project. The Tokarov is at the end of the list. I have a IWI TS-12 in front of it for range time. Life really deals it. When I had lots of time, I didn't make good money. Now that I make good money (and can afford guns & ammo), I struggle to find the time. Between work, other hobbies, entertaining family, etc., range days are few. It doesn't help that god makes AZ an oven from June until September. |
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I haven't had a chance to shoot it yet. So please stand by.
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