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Posted: 6/28/2023 8:29:02 PM EDT
As the main thread about the Dead Air Sierra 5 seems to have gotten quite bloated and covers lots of different topics (has devolved into mud-slinging at times) I thought it may be helpful to have one that is focused only on input from owner's of this can who either have a cleared F4 and have used theirs, or have had conjugal visits with theirs while waiting for theirs to clear, and can give their experience with the known issues with this can, or lack thereof, whatever your case may be.
If possible, it would be nice to keep this focused to just does your can appear good to go, or has it had issues? If so, what are the issues, have you contacted DA, what have they done/are doing to fix it? Also, if we could just focus on this instead of technical discussions (tone, decibel levels, back-pressure, etc.) it might be helpful to people like myself (who have one of these in jail and don't have the ability to shoot it but am trying to decide how worried I should be while I wait) or people who are considering getting one. I hope I'm not the only one who found the main thread tedious to sift through when looking for very specific info on these issues with this can. |
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Its an amazing contrast; Honda can narrow it down to a single torque wrench while DA can't figure out what SNs might be affected.
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Originally Posted By spot-remover: Its an amazing contrast; Honda can narrow it down to a single torque wrench while DA can't figure out what SNs might be affected. View Quote Working in quality and watching the DA shit show is frightening. We make over 5 million items a day, and within 15 minutes I can give you the details and testing data for every single component, what machine it came off of, and when it was assembled to the second. And our process is a bit more involved than making a can. |
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Originally Posted By meestermurphy: Working in quality and watching the DA shit show is frightening. We make over 5 million items a day, and within 15 minutes I can give you the details and testing data for every single component, what machine it came off of, and when it was assembled to the second. And our process is a bit more involved than making a can. View Quote And now they are ostensibly setting up their own factory. Hopefully they hire and staff with an emphasis on quality processes and process discipline. The corporate culture that was previously revealed is hard to ignore going forward by any down line interest with a background in quality, production, engineering, or even marketing / branding with even the slightest concern for good faith and long term customer relations. The best development for consumers are these fast stamp approvals. The sooner grass roots users can vet and discuss experience versus marketing claims, the tighter the feedback loop gets. |
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Glad to hear it. Nice looking blaster.
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I'm less concerned with the can than the company.
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So do new production Sierra 5s have the same blast baffle as the rebuilt ones or are they still using two different designs?
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I haven’t seen any new production Sierra 5’s, my SOT stopped selling Dead Air silencers.
I would assume they stopped shipping cans with the defective welds and baffles but who knows with this company. I remember reading somewhere that they sold a bunch of Sandman S’s from a military contract that were known to have crooked mounts. |
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Don't let the join date fool you... here since '97
VA, USA
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The latest Sierra 5 are not made by KGM, so I'm willing to bet the QC process has been enhanced since then. I wouldn't hesitate to purchase, in fact I didn't, we have the latest Sierra 5 with Xeno mount in stock now.
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So those that sent theirs in who got them back-did dead air give you any documentation on what they found and/or did to repair them? Did they include anything else? Just curious as mine is finally coming back to me.
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Nope.
Zero documentation. I got both of my cans back, and that’s it. They did throw in a new flash hider with each one, which I guess is cool if you use them. I happen to prefer brakes. |
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Lol ok. Well at least I'll get a flash hider out of it. Yeah prefer the Xeno brakes or zeno zeros.
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Yes I’m curious about that.
I’ve got a rattler. |
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Originally Posted By 797hp: They did throw in a new flash hider with each one, which I guess is cool if you use them. View Quote All I got was a kgm employee who stole my lmt xeno mount. They replaced it with an oem xeno one, but I didn't get a flash hider. Oh well. I still dig my Sierra 5. |
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Originally Posted By NC_Parrothead: How long did they have yours? View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By NC_Parrothead: Originally Posted By Mav3rick: So those that sent theirs in who got them back-did dead air give you any documentation on what they found and/or did to repair them? Did they include anything else? Just curious as mine is finally coming back to me. How long did they have yours? I know you weren’t asking me, but I filled out my RMA on the 15th of February and shipped it to DA the same day. It was delivered back to me on the 10th of March. Less than a month including 10 days of shipping there and back. Not great, not terrible. |
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I'm late to this party, and I apologize in advance for being lazy. I saw that DA hasn't pinpointed Serial Numbers, but I was able to see in one of the YouTube videos that my can (that, frankly, hasn't had enough rounds through it to cause any damage . . . . like, fewer than 200) is within 150 numbers of that guy's can.
Is it a reasonable conclusion that mine would be defective? |
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Originally Posted By zentradi: Took the S5 out on another rifle and still loving it. Great amazing can with excellent sound and flash suppression. I love the knurling with the Xeno setup, haven't had any issues with the can coming loose. Have had no gas issues, but I put a PRI gasbuster on every host. Seems like countless people want to praise other brands as being better, so if my old PRI is amazing with the S5, then it has to be a great can. I'm very thankful for the excellent communication with Dead Air about some other questions I have had too. I just love smaller "K" cans the S5 really fits the need. It's great too knowing that there are no barrel restrictions too, so should I buy a (very) short barrel CMMG Dissent, I have a great can ready to throw on it thanks to the cobalt-steel baffles. My only complaint is that with a can this awesome, and absolutely the Sierra Five is incredible, I'd think I was done buying 5.56 cans. Then Dead Air releases the Lazarus and I'm like time to start saving up money again! The next generation of suppression has begun. The paradigm has shifted and Dead Air is dominating. I'm not into suppressor wraps, so I'm really digging the Lazurs's heat shied even if the suppressor already as cooling/ grip fins on the tube. View Quote I see Mike Pappas has an anonymous account here. I mean seriously. This is parody level. |
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Originally Posted By AugustineBolishbatfe: I'm late to this party, and I apologize in advance for being lazy. I saw that DA hasn't pinpointed Serial Numbers, but I was able to see in one of the YouTube videos that my can (that, frankly, hasn't had enough rounds through it to cause any damage . . . . like, fewer than 200) is within 150 numbers of that guy's can. Is it a reasonable conclusion that mine would be defective? View Quote No. Some people had theirs be bad out of the box. Contact DA if you think it needs to be inspected. |
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Originally Posted By AugustineBolishbatfe: I'm late to this party, and I apologize in advance for being lazy. I saw that DA hasn't pinpointed Serial Numbers, but I was able to see in one of the YouTube videos that my can (that, frankly, hasn't had enough rounds through it to cause any damage . . . . like, fewer than 200) is within 150 numbers of that guy's can. Is it a reasonable conclusion that mine would be defective? View Quote It appears from pics of the blast baffle they changed the design slightly. Given short stamp approvals and the run on cans it might be a good idea to send it in sooner than later while they still have repair parts. That’s my gut talking. Alternatively you could run the crap out of it to stress test it. |
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Originally Posted By emccracken: Says some dude that joined this month, 22 1/2 years after zentradi. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By emccracken: Says some dude that joined this month, 22 1/2 years after zentradi. And yet . . . that has no bearing whatsoever on the validity of what I said/suggested. Originally Posted By zentradi: The paradigm has shifted and Dead Air is dominating. This is totally, 100%, unquestionably how a normal person talks about a company with which they're not affiliated. LMAO. This is particularly the case, because this is a 41-page thread on how Dead Air is doing anything but dominating. The most kneepad-wearing of kneepad-wearer Accuracy International Fanboys don't say this kind of thing over on Snipershide. |
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Yeah, being a member on a forum for over two decades is quite the accomplishment
zentradi is either a paid shill for Dead Air or a troll, take your pick. I spent a lot of money on Dead Air products because I fell for their guerrilla marketing campaigns, this whole Sierra 5 shit show has turned me towards other companies for cans and mounts. All they had to do was communicate with their customers but they couldn’t even do that. Hell, I might have been satisfied with a simple explanation but they chose to ignore phone calls, emails and chose to remain silent, even to this day. They’ll never get another dime from me and I’ll never recommend their shit to anyone looking to buy a can. |
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😂😂😂😂😂😂
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View Quote Yikes I wonder if KGM had a hand in that repair |
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View Quote You're in the sierra 5 issues thread. |
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Originally Posted By KM6: You're in the sierra 5 issues thread. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By KM6: You're in the sierra 5 issues thread. System vs Endemic |
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View Quote Ti vs Cobalt Widespread vs isolated |
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Originally Posted By 797hp: Yeah, being a member on a forum for over two decades is quite the accomplishment zentradi is either a paid shill for Dead Air or a troll, take your pick. I spent a lot of money on Dead Air products because I fell for their guerrilla marketing campaigns, this whole Sierra 5 shit show has turned me towards other companies for cans and mounts. All they had to do was communicate with their customers but they couldn’t even do that. Hell, I might have been satisfied with a simple explanation but they chose to ignore phone calls, emails and chose to remain silent, even to this day. They’ll never get another dime from me and I’ll never recommend their shit to anyone looking to buy a can. View Quote Bingo. Too many others out there that GAF about their customer base. |
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Originally Posted By KM6: You're in the sierra 5 issues thread. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By KM6: You're in the sierra 5 issues thread. And it brings into question to quality of the repair job that DA could have done/had done on an S5. |
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Originally Posted By KM6: Ti vs Cobalt Widespread vs isolated View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By KM6: Ti vs Cobalt Widespread vs isolated That's how it appears. |
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View Quote Misleading haha. I’m like really? The DA Sierra 5 repair failed? This is a nomad TI which is a completely different sleeveless stacked/welded baffle design. |
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I'm no holster sniffer but if someone burned down the town garage and threw canned corn at the snow plow guys I'd drop off a case of beer at the DPW. ~Aimless
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Originally Posted By Norinco982lover: Misleading haha. I’m like really? The DA Sierra 5 repair failed? This is a nomad TI which is a completely different sleeveless stacked/welded baffle design. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By Norinco982lover: Misleading haha. I’m like really? The DA Sierra 5 repair failed? This is a nomad TI which is a completely different sleeveless stacked/welded baffle design. Endemic failures in every welded product line and an inability to resolve warranty satisfactorily. When does the plurality of endemic become systemic? It appears the most common failure mode across all product lines is the name engraved on the tube. Sierra 5 being a symptom. Hopefully DA brings production in house. Their issues would probably be resolved in three or four years. |
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Originally Posted By emccracken: Says some dude that joined this month, 22 1/2 years after zentradi. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By emccracken: Originally Posted By AugustineBolishbatfe: I see Mike Pappas has an anonymous account here. I mean seriously. This is parody level. Says some dude that joined this month, 22 1/2 years after zentradi. 22.5 years? Dang bro, making me feel old. Gotta say though, are not the new cans better than ever? Seems like stuff I bought a year ago is already becoming outdated. I know the Mojave blew away every pistol can I had. I can now say Mike Pappas is officially the coolest dude I have ever been mistaken for. Unfortunately, I'm not Pappas or half as cool as he is, and other than buying and shooting the crap out of suppressors as a consumer, unlike Pappa's great achievements, I contribute nothing to the industry. Thanks silencer forum guys, I appreciate the vote of confidence though, your friend zentradi. |
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If you are putting a lot of effort into arguing with me, you are probably really just wasting your time, sorry.
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Originally Posted By zentradi: 22.5 years? Dang bro, making me feel old. Gotta say though, are not the new cans better than ever? Seems like stuff I bought a year ago is already becoming outdated. I know the Mojave blew away every pistol can I had. I can now say Mike Pappas is officially the coolest dude I have ever been mistaken for. Unfortunately, I'm not Pappas or half as cool as he is, and other than buying and shooting the crap out of suppressors as a consumer, unlike Pappa's great achievements, I contribute nothing to the industry. Thanks silencer forum guys, I appreciate the vote of confidence though, your friend zentradi. View Quote He would be cooler if he released a statement on the S5 like he told RangeDayBro he would. |
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Nvm
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Originally Posted By neight: Originally Posted By Master_Blaster: He would be cooler if he released a statement on the S5 like he told RangeDayBro he would. Zentradi should. Great idea. Zentradi would you be willing to release an official statement on the Dead Air Sierra 5 no-recall/consumer betrayal fiasco? |
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I'm no holster sniffer but if someone burned down the town garage and threw canned corn at the snow plow guys I'd drop off a case of beer at the DPW. ~Aimless
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I’m glad that they seem to have identified and corrected the defect. It is a great can, when built properly.
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Anybody here to report on the ECCO rebuilds? I’m thinking I’ll go that route. Even though it’s probably $600 by the time I ship out there get the work done and ship it back.
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Originally Posted By neight: Anybody here to report on the ECCO rebuilds? I’m thinking I’ll go that route. Even though it’s probably $600 by the time I ship out there get the work done and ship it back. View Quote The only caveat with the ECCO rebuilds is that the Stellite baffles they're using lacks cobalt (I think, or could be another elemental component), reducing its abrasion resistance, so it won't be suitable for SBR barrels below a certain length. Not a problem if that limitation doesn't apply to you. |
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It’s been on an 11.5” CORE barrel with a FCD xeno break.
Is this too short? I don’t have or plan on going anything shorter. This thing is punchy. |
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@ECCO_Machine can you confirm the minimum barrel length on one of your S5 recores?
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Originally Posted By Master_Blaster: The only caveat with the ECCO rebuilds is that the Stellite baffles they're using lacks cobalt (I think, or could be another elemental component), reducing its abrasion resistance, so it won't be suitable for SBR barrels below a certain length. Not a problem if that limitation doesn't apply to you. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By Master_Blaster: The only caveat with the ECCO rebuilds is that the Stellite baffles they're using lacks cobalt (I think, or could be another elemental component), reducing its abrasion resistance, so it won't be suitable for SBR barrels below a certain length. Not a problem if that limitation doesn't apply to you. Stellite is a cobalt alloy, just a trademarked name, like Kleenex vs. facial tissue. We don't use cobalt; 100% 17-4 H900 stainless Originally Posted By 797hp: @ECCO_Machine can you confirm the minimum barrel length on one of your S5 recores? There's no barrel length restriction, just need to use a muzzle brake muzzle device for barrels under 12" to help mitigate erosion. Open-tine flash hiders you do not want to use on short barrel; they accelerate wear, much worse than a bare muzzle. |
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Suppress all the things!
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Probably missed it in the thread. Has DA released a s/n range for the defective S5 cans ? Has DA CS improved ?
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