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Posted: 6/12/2015 12:17:50 PM EDT
Hi folks,
I've started a few threads related to AK's and pistols that are used 364 days a week on our rental range. A fellow arfcommer asked if I would give him him some info the FN-made products. We go through hundreds of thousands of rounds each month on the range and a majority of it's in full auto. Well... I can say that I wasn't a fan of the SCAR series of weapons since I first test-fired some at Nellis AFB during a FN weapons demo. I was shooting SCAR-H's and what I didn't like about it was the "rocking" that I got in my teeth during full-auto use. After using FN's on our range for over 2.5 years, this weapon has REALLY impressed me. We've lost a few springs, disconnectors, hammers and charging handles but other than that, everything has been very impressive. We lost a stock when a staff member dropped it but I have no idea how many times the weapons have been dropped. The staff try their hardest to take care of the weapons but accidents happen and weapons get dropped. P90's run like champs and the only part to be break on them is the bolt carrier. The carrier breaks right at the bolt face and I believe we replaced at least 3-4 since we've opened. Our factory FN-made M249's are VERY reliable but all of the US-made copies don't even come close... no matter HOW MUCH they say their product is better or "the same as FN". We've lost a few bolts and sear springs but the biggest disposable items for this weapon is the gas tube. We've gone through at the very least 10 gas tubes since we've opened. The end of the tube that fits into the trunion just erodes away not matter how often we clean it. The heat is just to much and it slowly eroded away with small cracks initially and then finally it completely shears off. The M240's we have in our inventory are NOT factory units but all of the parts (other than the right side plate) are FN-made. The ONLY piece we've ever lost on these weapons are two firing pins in the last 2.5 years (and the other 7 years we've had them in our inventory). They just run and run and run. The armorers love them becaus the maintenance is almost non-existent. Lastly, our FN-45 pistol. I will get more information but I am pretty sure that it's been down two or three times since we've opened but it has seen QUITE a bit of use. V/R Ron |
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Originally Posted By bigdog02:
This is an FN thread but I think he posted in the main rifle thread and said that the AUG has been doing pretty well. Dug around and found his quote: With AUG, I know we've broken at least one bolt, several firing pin springs, at least one extractor and a few firing pins. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By bigdog02:
Originally Posted By 45ar:
Have you got any more information on the Steyr Aug. Mine is very accurate and use it the most over other platforms. This is an FN thread but I think he posted in the main rifle thread and said that the AUG has been doing pretty well. Dug around and found his quote: With AUG, I know we've broken at least one bolt, several firing pin springs, at least one extractor and a few firing pins. Thanx for reply. Not much info on high round count on some rifles. Would like to get scar H someday. Sounds like they are excellent rifles. |
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Hi Ron, thanks again for the wealth of info you've provided in all your threads. Next time, I'm down in Vegas, I'll definitely be stopping by your business.
BTW, back in 8/2015, you posted pics of a SCAR 17 failure. Someone asked if you knew an approximate round count when that happened on the rifle but I think you might've missed the question. I just recently got a SCAR 17S so I'm particularly interested in how those have fared at your range. You mentioned that the SCAR-Ls see a LOT of use/rounds, but do the SCAR-Hs have similar round counts with minimal failures too? One specific question I have about the SCAR-H is regarding the 4 bolts (2 on each side) that hold the end plate near the buttstock. On FN Forums, some of the owners have noticed that heads of these screws/bolts were canted slightly forward (potentially due to recoil) after some usage. Are the bolts on the SCAR-Hs on your range similarly canted? If they are, and with high round counts, it would appear that it's not a failure point on the upper. Max |
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Originally Posted By bluemax_1:
Hi Ron, thanks again for the wealth of info you've provided in all your threads. Next time, I'm down in Vegas, I'll definitely be stopping by your business. BTW, back in 8/2015, you posted pics of a SCAR 17 failure. Someone asked if you knew an approximate round count when that happened on the rifle but I think you might've missed the question. I just recently got a SCAR 17S so I'm particularly interested in how those have fared at your range. You mentioned that the SCAR-Ls see a LOT of use/rounds, but do the SCAR-Hs have similar round counts with minimal failures too? One specific question I have about the SCAR-H is regarding the 4 bolts (2 on each side) that hold the end plate near the buttstock. On FN Forums, some of the owners have noticed that heads of these screws/bolts were canted slightly forward (potentially due to recoil) after some usage. Are the bolts on the SCAR-Hs on your range similarly canted? If they are, and with high round counts, it would appear that it's not a failure point on the upper. Max View Quote Both SCAR's see plenty of use every day of the week and from the feedback from my staff, they both function on the same level without any reliability issues. I haven't checked for canted bolts on that area but I will make sure I do tomorrow. The only bolts we lost are the machine screws that hold the rails in place on the receiver. V/R Ron |
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Originally Posted By HendersonDefense:
Both SCAR's see plenty of use every day of the week and from the feedback from my staff, they both function on the same level without any reliability issues. I haven't checked for canted bolts on that area but I will make sure I do tomorrow. The only bolts we lost are the machine screws that hold the rails in place on the receiver. V/R Ron View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By HendersonDefense:
Originally Posted By bluemax_1:
Hi Ron, thanks again for the wealth of info you've provided in all your threads. Next time, I'm down in Vegas, I'll definitely be stopping by your business. BTW, back in 8/2015, you posted pics of a SCAR 17 failure. Someone asked if you knew an approximate round count when that happened on the rifle but I think you might've missed the question. I just recently got a SCAR 17S so I'm particularly interested in how those have fared at your range. You mentioned that the SCAR-Ls see a LOT of use/rounds, but do the SCAR-Hs have similar round counts with minimal failures too? One specific question I have about the SCAR-H is regarding the 4 bolts (2 on each side) that hold the end plate near the buttstock. On FN Forums, some of the owners have noticed that heads of these screws/bolts were canted slightly forward (potentially due to recoil) after some usage. Are the bolts on the SCAR-Hs on your range similarly canted? If they are, and with high round counts, it would appear that it's not a failure point on the upper. Max Both SCAR's see plenty of use every day of the week and from the feedback from my staff, they both function on the same level without any reliability issues. I haven't checked for canted bolts on that area but I will make sure I do tomorrow. The only bolts we lost are the machine screws that hold the rails in place on the receiver. V/R Ron The Torx screws that hold the rails on the receiver/handguard? Is that due to torque applied from a vertical foregrip? I'm trying to figure out what would stress those Torx screws? Max |
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Wow! This thread is awesome. Thank you Henderson Defense for taking the time to get us all this great information.
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Would blue loctite fix the torx screw loss problem?
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Originally Posted By HendersonDefense:
We are going through about one bolt carrier every 9-12 months per P90. We have a total of four P90's and they get rotated out every 2-3 days. We initially started out with two but now have a total of four. The trigger groups look just the same as when we started with them. V/R Ron View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By HendersonDefense:
Originally Posted By deanwormer:
About how long (# rounds) do the P90 bolt carriers last? The plastic trigger groups holding up? We are going through about one bolt carrier every 9-12 months per P90. We have a total of four P90's and they get rotated out every 2-3 days. We initially started out with two but now have a total of four. The trigger groups look just the same as when we started with them. V/R Ron what is the round count on the p90's and how many rounds between bolt carriers breaking? |
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Just visited Ron at Battlefield Vegas yesterday. What a great place.
Ron took time out of his schedule to meet with me and show me around. He and his armorer answered all my questions on the FN SCAR series and M-249 Series of firearms. Ron showed me a SCAR17 still on line that looked well used. Full auto, surpressed, after three(3) years still running great with well over 100,000 rounds. They document everything. Round count, cleaning, maintenence, repairs, parts and parts breakage. On every gun, period. That's over 750 guns. After looking at his place and talking with him and his staff it is clear they know exactly what they are talking about. Thanks Ron |
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Great thread, love them Scar 17s.
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Thanks for the updates Ron. Don't remember fixing any SCAR MK17 parts while the two years I was in Iraq. M240s just love to run also.
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We had M249 go down last weekend because of a failed ejector spring but when the armorers broke it down for further maintenance, they noticed the op rod was in three pieces. The weapon had continued to run with the sections ramming into each other. I have pics on my phone that I will transfer once I get to my room tonight but everyone was impressed. The hate they had for the 249 is gone now that they don't depend on it daily during deployments. My conversation with lead armored Sean is that he now knows that proper maintenance wasn't in place at the time.
V/R Ron |
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Originally Posted By HendersonDefense:
We had M249 go down last weekend because of a failed ejector spring but when the armorers broke it down for further maintenance, they noticed the op rod was in three pieces. The weapon had continued to run with the sections ramming into each other. I have pics on my phone that I will transfer once I get to my room tonight but everyone was impressed. The hate they had for the 249 is gone now that they don't depend on it daily during deployments. My conversation with lead armored Sean is that he now knows that proper maintenance wasn't in place at the time. V/R Ron View Quote WOW |
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Originally Posted By HendersonDefense:
Here is a picture of the carrier assembly that continued to somehow run. I don't think this really helped with the life of the gas tube but it does say something about the durability. V/R Ron https://i.imgur.com/xzHiHgu.jpg View Quote WoW!! CD |
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Originally Posted By Combat_Diver:
Originally Posted By HendersonDefense:
Here is a picture of the carrier assembly that continued to somehow run. I don't think this really helped with the life of the gas tube but it does say something about the durability. V/R Ron https://i.imgur.com/xzHiHgu.jpg WoW!! CD |
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Hi Ron,
Could you tell us more about the P90's you have in service? I just picked one one and would love to find out how great it is! Thanks! @HendersonDefense |
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Great info, thanks Ron.
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what suppressor is used on the 17 in sniper config?
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What kind of ammo do you guys run in the p90's? I know you said that the bolt carriers last about 9 months. Any idea of round count?
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Hey Ron,
Thanks so much for all of your threads like this! They're amazingly informative and have given me insight on some of my purchases over the last year or so. We all really appreciate you taking time out of your schedule to post up your findings. Its been quite a while since we've seen any updates on the FN post. How are your Scars holding up? Have you had to replace anything other than "normal" replacement parts? Thank you for supporting our troops! |
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Originally Posted By Pahc412:
Hey Ron, Thanks so much for all of your threads like this! They're amazingly informative and have given me insight on some of my purchases over the last year or so. We all really appreciate you taking time out of your schedule to post up your findings. Its been quite a while since we've seen any updates on the FN post. How are your Scars holding up? Have you had to replace anything other than "normal" replacement parts? Thank you for supporting our troops! View Quote |
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Take a John Browning 1918 BAR, upgrade to a FN Mle 1930/1932 BAR Type D quick change ratchet barrel, then take a German MG42 feed system, invert the gas system/bolt = FN MAG58/M240
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Originally Posted By joshdb50:
You shut your mouth. The M240 is amazing and beautiful! https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/310196/Zz6HkXJl-427146.jpg View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By joshdb50:
Originally Posted By Corporal_Chaos:
I carried an M240B in the Army. It was a heavy, unwieldy and unergonomic pig but damn was it reliable. I loved that gun. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/310196/Zz6HkXJl-427146.jpg |
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Originally Posted By Pahc412:
Hey Ron, Thanks so much for all of your threads like this! They're amazingly informative and have given me insight on some of my purchases over the last year or so. We all really appreciate you taking time out of your schedule to post up your findings. Its been quite a while since we've seen any updates on the FN post. How are your Scars holding up? Have you had to replace anything other than "normal" replacement parts? Thank you for supporting our troops! View Quote V/R Ron |
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Ron,
How often do you replace recoil springs on the SCAR-H? Never have seen a recommended maintenance schedule for the SCAR like I’ve seen for the AR family of weapons. I’ve been to your range three times now, and will continue to go every time I’m in Vegas. You’ve got a great operation! Thanks, The1919man |
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Great stuff Ron! Thanks and keep it up! Do you see hard use on the scar H with suppressors and hard use on optics?
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Originally Posted By the1919man:
Ron, How often do you replace recoil springs on the SCAR-H? Never have seen a recommended maintenance schedule for the SCAR like I’ve seen for the AR family of weapons. I’ve been to your range three times now, and will continue to go every time I’m in Vegas. You’ve got a great operation! Thanks, The1919man View Quote V/R Ron |
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Thanks for all the great info!!!
Can you give more inof on the PS90 (P90)? Like what type of ammo you use? Do you do anything to clean the lacquer? Any other good info? Thanks! |
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Ron, thank you for this and your other great contributions here. I had not seen this thread yet. I was making a list of spare parts to get for my scar 16 & 17 and this helped. Great info. Thanks again!
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I’m curious about what ammo you guys use on the ps90’s? Also what round count can you get out of them? Full auto? |
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Originally Posted By Ivan1:
@hendersondefense I’m curious about what ammo you guys use on the ps90’s? Also what round count can you get out of them? Full auto? View Quote |
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Great thread and info.
I'm curious, do you have any if the newer FN pistols at Battlefield? I fondled a 509 at my LGS the other day and really liked how it fit my hand...maybe even better than a 1911 does. So I'm curious about how durable they are. Thanks. |
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Ron, thanks for the thread, it's super-impressive.
Question about your F2000's - at what round count have you had to replace the barrels on those? What about the operating rod spring? Thanks! |
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Can you give some more info on the p90 / ps90? Round count? Type of ammo used? Etc..
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Originally Posted By Combat_Diver:
Take a John Browning 1918 BAR, upgrade to a FN Mle 1930/1932 BAR Type D quick change ratchet barrel, then take a German MG42 feed system, invert the gas system/bolt = FN MAG58/M240 CD View Quote First time I took apart a Mle 1930 BAR D it was like a light bulb when off over my head where the designed they 240 from. |
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Ron, are the SCARs factory full auto or did you'll get semi autos and convert them?
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Originally Posted By HendersonDefense:
We have both factory full-autos and post sample conversions. Both work the same without issues. V/R Ron View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes |
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I'm not sure which aluminum lower receiver to go with at this point but there's no saving this lower. The pistol grip suffered a catastrophic failure and sheared from the housing. The staff said that it happened while on the range and the customer didn't even notice it. It looked like a the grip came loose as the customer was bursting the weapon. This particular rifle has been on the line for several years and no idea of the round count.
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Originally Posted By HendersonDefense:
I'm not sure which aluminum lower receiver to go with at this point but there's no saving this lower. The pistol grip suffered a catastrophic failure and sheared from the housing. The staff said that it happened while on the range and the customer didn't even notice it. It looked like a the grip came loose as the customer was bursting the weapon. This particular rifle has been on the line for several years and no idea of the round count. V/R Ron https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/125089/Broken_SCAR17_jpg-1141366.JPG View Quote |
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How does the SCAR L compare to similar extruded aluminum upper guns like the CZ BREN?
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