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Atlantic, when will you get these in and would you recommend the Ap5 over the MAC? Gonna buy one or the other very soon.
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It's cool the MAC guns are coming with SEF marked grip frames. The Century MKE guns have 0,1 grip frames.
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Originally Posted By wreckdiver: Atlantic, when will you get these in and would you recommend the Ap5 over the MAC? Gonna buy one or the other very soon. View Quote Website & SHOT show rep said March. If you want the extras and don’t mind the non-CHF barrel, get the MAC. But gun for gun, I’d personally want the CHF barrel of the AP5. As someone who already has 5 AP5 series & 2 HK’s, I’d probably get the MAC just to check it out. |
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@cherenkov how did you reshape the extractor?
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Originally Posted By Blacktoothgrin: @cherenkov how did you reshape the extractor? View Quote Like the one in the picture in the HKpro link pic of the one that came back from Century and that was part of the fix from Century. Essentially grinding so a leading edge is on the left side with a sharp taper at maybe 33-45 degrees to the left. I got this ejector in an MKE parts like a year ago Now - It is interesting the second pack of MKE parts I just got as a spare from Atlantic in the mail Yesterday- and it was already re-shaped in that format. So it looks like if you buy a new parts pack from Atlantic it should be reshaped. |
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I'm curious if MAC and its retro 80s theme might be interested in importing some straight MP5 mags
Outside of Original German - I know POF made some I'd be interested if this newest supplier had the means to make or sell such a thing. |
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I think im going to give one a try. Probably pick up a K model.
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If only MERTSAV/MAC would be the first MP5 pattern producer to stop putting thumb-shelf lowers on their base model MP5 variants.
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I checked with Atlantic Firearms early in the week. The said maybe by end of march. I gave in and ordered a full-size century imported model because I was tired of waiting. Already picked it up yesterday
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Originally Posted By -Ascent-: I think im going to give one a try. Probably pick up a K model. View Quote I’m thinking of rolling the dice on gen 1 too. I’ve got the cash waiting. Absolutely will get a K. Handled a PTR yesterday, it was cool. My first time handling a K. Always thought they were sexy af. I’m not paying 50% more for it though. The MAC with the 2 mags and accessories will be a bargain if it’s on par with the AP5s, etc. |
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I looked at the MAC guns at SHOT and was impressed with them. Definitely will be picking up at least the K if not both versions
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I sort of want one just cause, I’ve got an AP5, SP5, and SP5K-PDW. Not sure if I’d get a K or full-size.
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FYI ,due to normal export delays from Turkey we are now being told to expect the MAC 5 pistols sometime in the month of April.
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I just asked SDS Imports over in the Industry Forum and they said pretty much the same as Atlantic.
https://www.ar15.com/forums/industry/-/801-305297/?r=-1&page=1 Originally Posted By SDSImports: They're coming soonisherylaterthanwehoped.... Targeting late this month, maybe april. View Quote Originally Posted By SDSImports: Waiting on forms to be stamped and such right now. View Quote |
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We are into April now. Anyone get their hands on one?
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If they are coming on a container ship to the eastern US then might want to add a couple months to the delivery thanks to the port of Baltimore being practically shut down!
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Originally Posted By dump1567: This. And isn't Atlantic Firearms in Maryland. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By dump1567: Originally Posted By Princeton: If they are coming on a container ship to the eastern US then might want to add a couple months to the delivery thanks to the port of Baltimore being practically shut down! This. And isn't Atlantic Firearms in Maryland. A slight delay, sure. A couple of months? That would require additional major fuck ups by the broker/shipper. |
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If they were expecting a late March, early April ETA, they probably were already in the US before the bridge came down.
They are likely stuck in customs. |
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SDS is the importer for the MAC 5 series of pistols , Atlantic Firearms will be a distributor and retailer for the MAC pistols , mags & accessories .
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Originally Posted By TREETOP: The pricing looks good, might make street pricing just under a grand. I also would love to see them remake an original style M11. If they bought manufacturing tooling along with the name, it should be simple. View Quote |
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I finally got a raise, and I think I need my first (and likely only) MP5. The MAC is looking pretty darn good if they end up working well. I've been tempted by the AP5 but everything my acquaintances have gotten from Century has been a disaster. My buddy's C308 was the worst; it had a broken extractor and some missing springs when he got it. I really don't want that sort of QC in a $1200 gun. I'm really hoping the MAC ends up being better than that.
ETA: This is probably a dumb question but I am new to the MP5 clone market: is there any reason to get something like the MAC or AP5 over saving up for a PTR? Is the PTR worth half again as much as the MAC/AP5? I can't afford a SP5 so that's out as an option. |
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Originally Posted By CFletch: I finally got a raise, and I think I need my first (and likely only) MP5. The MAC is looking pretty darn good if they end up working well. I've been tempted by the AP5 but everything my acquaintances have gotten from Century has been a disaster. My buddy's C308 was the worst; it had a broken extractor and some missing springs when he got it. I really don't want that sort of QC in a $1200 gun. I'm really hoping the MAC ends up being better than that. ETA: This is probably a dumb question but I am new to the MP5 clone market: is there any reason to get something like the MAC or AP5 over saving up for a PTR? Is the PTR worth half again as much as the MAC/AP5? I can't afford a SP5 so that's out as an option. View Quote The AP5 and the PTR both have cold hammer forged barrels. That is one cost saving feature the MAC will have, button rifling. Realistically, I doubt it would make a difference in one of these. I've heard of good and bad with both companies. The PTR wasn't worth the extra money to me. I am very strongly looking at a Mac5K, or whatever they're calling it. |
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Originally Posted By CFletch: This is probably a dumb question but I am new to the MP5 clone market: is there any reason to get something like the MAC or AP5 over saving up for a PTR? Is the PTR worth half again as much as the MAC/AP5? View Quote If you want to spend the extra and get a reverse-engineered clone, then get the PTR. If you want to spend less and get a "clone" built by military manufacturers to HK (older) specs, then get an MKE or MAC. |
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Originally Posted By CFletch: I finally got a raise, and I think I need my first (and likely only) MP5. The MAC is looking pretty darn good if they end up working well. I've been tempted by the AP5 but everything my acquaintances have gotten from Century has been a disaster. My buddy's C308 was the worst; it had a broken extractor and some missing springs when he got it. I really don't want that sort of QC in a $1200 gun. I'm really hoping the MAC ends up being better than that. ETA: This is probably a dumb question but I am new to the MP5 clone market: is there any reason to get something like the MAC or AP5 over saving up for a PTR? Is the PTR worth half again as much as the MAC/AP5? I can't afford a SP5 so that's out as an option. View Quote As of right now, the MAC is an unknown variable. The Turkish guns can be excellent or junk. Its seems like SDS goes out of their way to import nicer stuff, so chances are the guns will be decent. But if you got the money, get an AP5, they are the current bargain. I'm launching a business venture, so I'm going to go 6-12 months before I get paid. Otherwise an AP5 would be in my hands right now. If my business venture works out the way I want it to, hello HK SP5. |
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Does anyone know what kind of rear sight drums these have? Seems like there is a fair amount of variation in the different rear sight drums.
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Adjustable Diopter on the MAC 5
Adjustable Castle Style on the MAC 5k |
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It is unlikely that anyone on ARFCOM has any personal experience with a MERTSAV produced firearm. The tiny datapoints that currently exist are positive, but not entirely useful to create an opinion. Until more of them are in public hands and being used, it is a Schrodinger's Cat.
They could be a great firearm at a great price. They might not. |
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Originally Posted By kwb377: If you want to spend the extra and get a reverse-engineered clone, then get the PTR. If you want to spend less and get a "clone" built by military manufacturers to HK (older) specs, then get an MKE or MAC. View Quote MACs are not built to the spec. Barrel is not CHF as one example. |
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Originally Posted By USMC_JA: MACs are not built to the spec. Barrel is not CHF as one example. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By USMC_JA: Originally Posted By kwb377: If you want to spend the extra and get a reverse-engineered clone, then get the PTR. If you want to spend less and get a "clone" built by military manufacturers to HK (older) specs, then get an MKE or MAC. MACs are not built to the spec. Barrel is not CHF as one example. That’s a slippery slope. |
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Originally Posted By desertmoon: Man...an original style M11 in 380 w/ a no slap trigger would be the bees knees! View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By desertmoon: Originally Posted By TREETOP: The pricing looks good, might make street pricing just under a grand. I also would love to see them remake an original style M11. If they bought manufacturing tooling along with the name, it should be simple. The original Military Armament Corporation was based out of Powder Springs, Georgia (U.S.A.). I doubt that there is any connection between the former American company, and the current Turkish company which (coincidentally) is using the same name. Still, an M10 or M11 made in Turkey would be pretty crazy, that's for sure. |
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Originally Posted By USMC_JA: In what sense? The MAC barrel is not CHF. The HK spec calls for a CHF barrel in MP5s. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes |
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Originally Posted By USMC_JA: In what sense? The MAC barrel is not CHF. The HK spec calls for a CHF barrel in MP5s. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By USMC_JA: Originally Posted By fike: That’s a slippery slope. In what sense? The MAC barrel is not CHF. The HK spec calls for a CHF barrel in MP5s. If someone wanted to be a dick, they could point out that [insert all of the random quality control and material issues] seen on MKE guns are also not HK spec. |
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This happens all the time. A long established company goes out of business, & later on sells the license to that name to an unknown company looking for a well known name. Example. Decades ago the companies Tram, & Browning sold quality American CB radios. They went out of business, & a different company selling garbage Chinese radios bought the name hoping old timers will remember they USED to be quality products. The company RCA went out of business. But another company purchased the name, & again is selling Chinese junk under the name RCA. So in business, this is a common occurrence. The new MAC has zero to to with a MAC 10. Just the name. GARY.
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Originally Posted By Stahlgewehr762: The original Military Armament Corporation was based out of Powder Springs, Georgia (U.S.A.). I doubt that there is any connection between the former American company, and the current Turkish company which (coincidentally) is using the same name. Still, an M10 or M11 made in Turkey would be pretty crazy, that's for sure. View Quote MAC is not a Turkish company. They sell Turkish guns, but are not foreign ownership. They seem to be on top of things too. Just look at the Turkish shotgun market. Your Panzer breaks, you have a paperweight. MAC has done proactive recalls when necessary, something very few do in the first place, Turkish or not. |
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Originally Posted By fike: If someone wanted to be a dick, they could point out that [insert all of the random quality control and material issues] seen on MKE guns are also not HK spec. View Quote I get that. I was just offering up a valid reason why the MKE guns are objectively different than what MAC is bringing in. Will CHF make any real difference for 99% of shooters? No. But it never hurts to be informed. My AP5-P has been perfect. I'd buy another MKE gun in a heartbeat....and am anxiously waiting for their -33 clones. |
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Originally Posted By fike: If someone wanted to be a dick, they could point out that [insert all of the random quality control and material issues] seen on MKE guns are also not HK spec. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By fike: Originally Posted By USMC_JA: Originally Posted By fike: That's a slippery slope. In what sense? The MAC barrel is not CHF. The HK spec calls for a CHF barrel in MP5s. If someone wanted to be a dick, they could point out that [insert all of the random quality control and material issues] seen on MKE guns are also not HK spec. |
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Originally Posted By CFletch: Don't the MKE MP5 clones not even use the correct (HK spec) extractor spring? I seem to recall it's the first thig a lot of people change since the correct extractor spring is cheap. View Quote Some appear to come with the silver, rifle extractor spring. Mine came with a copper spring, IIRC. Its so filthy from shooting suppressed I cant be sure anymore. |
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Originally Posted By USMC_JA: I get that. I was just offering up a valid reason why the MKE guns are objectively different than what MAC is bringing in. Will CHF make any real difference for 99% of shooters? No. But it never hurts to be informed. My AP5-P has been perfect. I'd buy another MKE gun in a heartbeat....and am anxiously waiting for their -33 clones. View Quote You and me both brother! Probably a few other folks as well.... |
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Originally Posted By tooldforthis: Why bother when you can get originals for $1500 (sterlings) and it is doubtful a new one would be really any cheaper than that. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By tooldforthis: Originally Posted By cherenkov: -A steel AR180 clone. Why bother when you can get originals for $1500 (sterlings) and it is doubtful a new one would be really any cheaper than that. Where are you seeing $1.5K Sterling AR180s? I managed to get a Howa for $2K before shipping/cc fees, but that was more luck than the market being at that level - and I doubt I could find another for that much any time soon. |
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