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Posted: 5/2/2008 3:01:39 AM EDT
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You are still coming tho, right? |
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Posted: 5/2/2008 9:38:29 AM EDT
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App. & check sent today. I'm not going to bring 1st aid gear, as I will take TommyT's suggestion and see what is avail. at training....besides, I only have an REI backpackers kit.
 Can you guys suggest anything else that might be useful that isn't on the course materials list? This is my 1st course (besides coldweather HG & carbine) and want to be as prepared as possible. |
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Posted: 5/2/2008 1:30:38 PM EDT
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Bring sunscreen If the sun is out you will fry on the range. Tommy, If you need anything prop wise or anything like that let me know so I can get things together. |
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Posted: 5/2/2008 1:37:28 PM EDT
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Snacks, water, and any other snivel gear you want to bring along. It may be hot (then again this is WI so it might be snowing) and if it is be prepared to hydrate. Other than stuff to keep yourself happy and comfortable and your guns running (lube and any spare parts you might feel you need) just a open mind that will allow you to learn. BTW: both TommyTrauma and I will be bringing our Grails so if anyone wants to try them out bring some extra ammo. With the price of ammo any more I can't afford to let everyone else shoot mine up anymore. |
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Posted: 5/2/2008 8:36:34 PM EDT
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Will we be getting a "welcome"
 packet with directions to the range, start time, end time, etc? Is it safe to assume we are on own for lunch....brown baggin' it?
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Posted: 5/3/2008 4:23:16 AM EDT
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You might possibly get a letter with directions. If you don't you can IM Photoman who lives right by there and goes to the range a lot. Start time is 08:00 unless it is a winter class. End time is usually between 16:00 and 17:00 (we have been known to run a little late when everyone there is having fun and wants to continue for a while). Yes bring lunch and anything else you want to munch on. It is a pretty good idea to bring along extra snacks as well so when you are loading mags you can grab a snack and some water to keep your blood sugar up and stay hydrated. Yes if it is hot out Sully, Tom, and I will probably be nagging at people to stay hydrated if we don't see them drinking. The reason for this is that we had one guy who decided to come to a class when it was really hot and bring almost nothing to eat and was not drinking. We wound up putting him in my truck with the ac running to cool him off. With the price of gas anymore that would be kinda expensive to let my truck sit there and idle for a hour or so. |
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Posted: 5/6/2008 4:48:48 PM EDT
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We have only 3 spots left.
For those that have questions about what to have in a first aid kit, bring what you have and we will work with that. We will be covering what you might consider having in your first aid supplies. We will have extra first aid supplies on site, and will have stuff on hand that can be used for hands on practical training. CY6 Greg Sullivan "Sully" SLR15 Rifles TheDefensiveEdge.com |
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Posted: 5/10/2008 5:46:27 AM EDT
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I will gladly take one of the 3 for the price of on the house.
 A guy can try anyway. I would love to be there. |
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Posted: 5/15/2008 4:26:38 PM EDT
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See you there! Can anybody give me directions to the range? I will be coming from the milwaukee area. IM me if you do not want to post it. |
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Posted: 5/18/2008 5:51:15 AM EDT
[#10]
+1 on directions! Please IM me!
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Posted: 5/18/2008 6:30:27 AM EDT
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If you don't get directions IM me
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Posted: 5/18/2008 9:51:02 AM EDT
[#12]
Clean out yer IMs 
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Posted: 5/18/2008 6:15:33 PM EDT
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DOH!
Done.
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Posted: 5/21/2008 5:40:17 PM EDT
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Posted: 5/22/2008 8:40:26 AM EDT
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Anyone have an extra dump pouch I could borrow for the weekend? Wasn't able to get things ordered in time. Thinking it might come in handy.
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Posted: 5/22/2008 12:04:12 PM EDT
[#16]
I've got a dump pouch you can use. |
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Posted: 5/22/2008 5:34:08 PM EDT
[#17]
Thanks! See you there!
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Posted: 5/23/2008 7:11:55 PM EDT
[#18]
See yall in the morning.
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Posted: 5/25/2008 7:00:28 PM EDT
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Fellas, be sure to check yourself for tics.
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Posted: 5/25/2008 8:37:33 PM EDT
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I shot one with my G21 once hate them little fuckers |
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Posted: 5/26/2008 2:22:59 AM EDT
[#21]
Thats some nice news to wake up to! |
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Posted: 5/26/2008 3:18:48 AM EDT
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It is more fun when your wife/girlfriend checks you over. 
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Posted: 5/27/2008 8:15:48 AM EDT
[#23]
Tommy do you by any chance have access to the graphic from the tee shirt?
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Posted: 5/27/2008 3:11:32 PM EDT
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I don't know if it's still on screen, but the artwork is still around. Sully would have to give his blessing for any use. Why, and what format do you need? |
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Posted: 5/27/2008 3:29:14 PM EDT
[#25]
.jpeg would be fine. I'm working on a slide show of the class and wanted to use it at the beginning. |
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Posted: 5/27/2008 3:59:38 PM EDT
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Well...completed my first 2 day class. All I can say is WOW! While I don't have anything to compare it to, I felt it was an excellent learning experience. From meeting some great arfcommers, to the awesome weather, to the range facilities, a great time was had by all!
My head is still on overdrive having processed so much information. I was extremely impressed with the scope of the course and and how well it was presented. Sully was excellent in explaining the why, the when and the how and his "building block" method of instructing was easy to follow. Questions and discussion were encouraged and nothing went unanswered. TommyTrauma...excellent down and dirty instruction on gun shot treatment and care...everything from administering self aid to helping others...great coverage of info for the time alloted. I learned a lot.....I need to take a CPR class! This class covered a wide range of information...but also showed that there is a LOT MORE to learn. As Sully stated...he is planting seeds...to build upon in later classes. I left wanting more....much more, and look forward to training with all of you guys again....hopefully sooner rather than later. Sorry I don't have any pics to post....but perhaps others have a few. |
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Posted: 5/27/2008 4:37:13 PM EDT
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It was great having you come out and train with us. It gets kinda boring training with the same old people all the time, even tho most of them I consider close friends. It is really awesome watching the newer guys as the light goes on and they start to get it.
BTW your shooting has REALLY improved since you took your first (not so) cold weather handgun class.This class had something to offer for everyone, from the more advanced shooters to the guys who had never taken a class before. It was extremely well thought out and put together. My AAR and it will be short and sweet. Tom, I know is going to be typing one up and he is much better at putting thoughts into written words than I am. Day 1 started out with basics and getting loosened up with pistols. Than it swiftly progressed into different types of pistol shooting, one hand, shooting while protecting someone else, etc, etc. After a quick lunch we had the medical training (good thing too because it gave me a chance to settle my lunch, I over ate again ). Then back over for some more pistol work.Day 2 started off with carbines and getting warmed up with those. Sully brought down his moving targets (those things are actually harder to hit than it would seem). Then we moved on to some light team tactics and some beginner room clearing. We did some basic shooting around vehicles, then moved over to the side range to learn some basic bounding techniques. Scattered in all this is Sully walking up and tapping someone and going "bang your hit" and your teammates/shooting buddy has to deal with your injuries. If you were by yourself you had to deal with your injuries by yourself (pressure bandages. tourniquets, and so forth). To top off the weekend we did some force on force using the bounding techniques on a actual person who was shooting back (paintballs). Sully called it right when he said that you will learn as much, or more being the "bad guy" as you will being the "good guy". All in all like I said it was a great class and everyone learned something. I can't wait for Sully to bring the advanced class out (the one that this class is a prerequisite for). I always like meeting people off the board and this was a great way to get to know a couple of you guys that I had argued with/cracked jokes with online for a while with. |
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Posted: 5/27/2008 5:05:26 PM EDT
[#28]
The class turned out to be more then I expected.
Thanks Tommy for the medical training. That added another dimension to the training. Knowing basic trauma care may be more important then learning to shoot. Sully was very knowledgable, great teacher and very professional. I am looking forward to taking his Carbine class in Oct. It was also nice to actually meet some of the people in this forum. I also came home with a nice welt on my ribs from a paintball. |
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Posted: 5/28/2008 1:54:00 PM EDT
[#29]
I got to RSO on Sunday. This was my first time meeting Sully and a bunch of the WI crew and it was a fun experience. Sully has a very logical, building-block approach to instruction. Everything is clearly explained, run dry, then run hot. Safety was paramount and made my RSO duties for the day VERY easy.
Drills were very realistic and it's always great to see "the light come on" as students grasp the concept and solidify their execution of what's being taught. Students were all very cool and every one had an excellent attitude. People were there to learn and help each other improve. Can't do much better than that.  Sorta off topic: I picked up an AR bolt cam pin from Sully at the end of class. (I had loaned my extra one out to a fellow student in another class several months ago) Put the cam pin in a pocket and promptly had it fall out of my pocket during range clean-up...  I was pissed. However I DID end up finding the damn thing with all the steel case 5.45 at the very end of the day (damn commie gun...) |
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Posted: 6/1/2008 8:05:37 AM EDT
[#30]
Love the sigline, Mike.
AnnieO and I realy wanted to be at this one. We're both kinda ticked we couldn't make it. |
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Posted: 6/1/2008 2:32:04 PM EDT
[#31]
We missed you both. |
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Posted: 6/1/2008 2:51:53 PM EDT
[#32]
Yes, we did. And we could have used somebody's lung power as a stress inducer during the moving hostage target shoot. (That was fun stuff. )
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Posted: 6/3/2008 7:06:13 PM EDT
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It was an excellent class!!! For those that wish this course in their area, including Minnesota, if we have enough people then we can do a course. We would like at least 10-12 people to make this course happen. Once enough people have this course, then we will offer the level-2 course.
We were fortunate to have 9 open minded and determined people that attended this training. We had a class of half alumni and half new shooters. The facility and weather gods smiled on us as we had perfect weather and kept GoBlue off our range!!! Equipment: There was a mix of gear that ranged from plain and simple holsters to thigh rigs, belt and pocket carry to vests and tactical LBE carriers. Glocks, Sigs, 1911's, AR15's, and one AK47. Day-1 started with an administrative session. A brief discussion was given about who, what, where, how and why as the basis of this course. A simple base of thinking was given of what to do if you find yourself in a gunfight, whether you are an active participant or somehow get caught in the middle of one, what to do with your loved ones or others present, and how to deal with medical issues that may arise. We then hit the range for some fundamentals of pistol work. We did some 1 and 2 hand shooting, reloads, tacloads, accessing, scanning, and some basic shooting positions. From there we did some advanced fundamentals of pistol work. By then it was lunch and all were given a short break. After lunch a session on practical first aid was given. The basis of this practical first aid was focused on dealing with field injuries that would be possible in hostile environments that include gunshot, schrapnel, and blast injuries. It is recommended that everyone should obtain regular training on basic first aid and CPR, and if interested then get more advanced training. Simple gear was shown and everyone was tasked with hands on learining to use nasal airways, pressure dressings, chest seals and tourniquets. We covered using makeshift equipment of what can be available in emergency situations to commercial gear. Everyone was tasked with applying the use of this equipment on others and themselves. From there we spent the rest of the day on the range going though skills and tactical applications of shooting, how to get around in a crowd, what to do with loved ones and teammates, and wound up the day with some basic structure principles. Day-2 started with a recap of Day=1 and a reminder of safety. From there everyone got a workout on the moving targets with handguns and shoulder weapons. We then spent a session on the range with the shoulder weapons and moved into structure principles with the shoulder weapons. We picked up the pace and added onto the structure clearing working on individual and team concepts, and added some medical scenarios in to get people working and thinking. After lunch we did a session on bounding. Bounding started simple and then picked up pace from there. This was done cold, then with live fire. By the end of this we did a rolling bound session with some fanning out and all did well. All weapons did well for this and the only real hiccup I saw was with and AK47 that was easily fixed once it was diagnosed. We rapped up the training session with a simple session on bounding with force on force mixed in. The real learning from the bounding is done by being on the badguys end as it allows you to see how effective that small elements that work in unison can be. To all that attended this course, you are all WARRIORS!!! I look forward to seeing you at this course again and other courses, plus I would like to do the level-2 version when we have enough people to make it happen. CY6 Greg Sullivan "Sully" SLR15 Rifles TheDefensiveEdge.com |
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Posted: 6/4/2008 4:21:29 PM EDT
[#34]
I would be interested in the Urban Tactics 2 class.
Depending on where and when it takes place. I plan on taking the Carbine class at Racine in October. I can only afford one or two classes per year. |
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Posted: 8/12/2008 11:54:17 AM EDT
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URBAN TACTICS 2 COURSE.....
Link URBAN TACTICS-2 When: October 25-26, 2008 Where: Princeton, MN Cost: $350, Early registration: $300 ends 30 days before class (September 25, 2008) Prerequisites: Urban Tactics-1, and Tactical Carbine-1 (must have taken within the last 24-months) This course starts where Urban Tactics-1 ends and will hit the ground running. Students will get lots of hands on training of working in hostile urban environments to include buildings and vehicles. This course is designed to give hands on practical knowledge of how to defend and protect yourself and others in the city environment. Emphasis will be on individual and multiple tactics. The shooting skills portion will be ramped up so all should plan on an emphasis of marksmanship. Students will be tasked with applying fundamental emergency first aid for trauma to themselves and others in hostile environments during the the scenario based and force on force training. Students should plan on working in and out of vehicles, being on the ground, being in physical contact with others, and being involved in the force on force training. This course is well suited for Law Enforcement, Military, Executive Protection Specialists, Parents, Spouses, School Resource Officers, and Security Guards. Time will be spent on the applying fundamentals necessary to deal in and around crowds, remove and move people from danger areas, and deal with hostilities while protecting others. A great deal of time will be spent on fundamentals of weapons skills for this type of task. Student Materials (Minimum Suggestion) *Handgun with hip or thigh holster - (No Shoulder Holsters, Crossdraw Holsters, or Tanker Style Holsters Allowed) *3-Handgun magazines with carrier *250rds pistol ammunition *Carbine (Must Have a Sling) with 500rds ammunition *3-magazines minimum for carbine with carrier *Shotgun (Must Have a Sling) with 25rds Buckshot *Eye and Ear Protection *Helmet (Optional) *Body Armor (Recommended But Optional) *Basic First Aid Gear that is carried on your person *Gloves, Knee & Elbow Pads CY6 Greg Sullivan "Sully" SLR15 Rifles TheDefensiveEdge.com |
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Posted: 8/12/2008 2:31:53 PM EDT
[#36]
 ETA: For those of you that need Tac carbine to fill the prereqs, there is one October 18-19th in Racine. |
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Posted: 8/13/2008 7:14:13 PM EDT
[#37]
We are working on having Urban-2 in Wisconsin next year. Keep in mind that Urban-1 and Tactical Carbine are both prerequisites for this, so consider getting getting these classes done ahead of time.
CY6 Greg Sullivan "Sully" SLR15 Rifles TheDefensiveEdge.com |
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Posted: 8/14/2008 8:02:12 AM EDT
[#38]
You're making good choices with UT I, carbine and UT II. Don't forget though that practice cements skills, and group practice is the way to go. We need to look at a training session for alumni. If we can get it together, I'd be happy to do a medical inservice. |
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Posted: 8/14/2008 1:10:37 PM EDT
[#39]
I have signed up for the Carbine class in Oct. Will be watching for Urban tactics 2 next year. I thought your medical training added a lot to the class. If you want to get a group together for training, even if its just the trauma and first aid, I would be interested. |
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Posted: 8/14/2008 1:14:15 PM EDT
[#40]
If we have enough people that commit to a date getting, a range is not an issue. |
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Posted: 8/14/2008 1:34:40 PM EDT
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I'm in, Sounds like 3X is in. I expect I can drag none in. Mark's in. Who else? |
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Posted: 8/14/2008 2:55:50 PM EDT
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Not so fast hunting season is coming up fast and "she who must be obeyed" has a lot of stuff scheduled for me. With that said consider this a tag for dates. |
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Posted: 8/14/2008 9:49:32 PM EDT
[#43]
I would DEFINITELY be in for some training/practice...pending dates. I am also strongly considering the Tac Carbine I this October.
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Posted: 8/15/2008 7:06:26 AM EDT
[#44]
Tac carbine is a prerequisite for urban tactics II, and II is shaping up to be a great course. |
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Posted: 8/15/2008 8:35:18 AM EDT
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TommyT.....are you helping out/teaching the med portion of Urban Tactics 2 in MN?
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Posted: 8/15/2008 3:00:58 PM EDT
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I've heard FMD called a lot of things but never "she who must be obeyed". I kinda like it. Anyway, I'd be up for some practice sessions. Depends on scheduling, of course. I should be able to make the Carbine I in Oct. |
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