Originally Posted By SilentType:
I've always been against the concept of registration whether it's for pistols or registering a vehicle I don't believe the government needs to keep and inventory list of what I own.

That said, we're trying to expand freedoms and if registering an SBR as a pistol results in smoother passage than so bet it...for now.

Originally Posted By cybersniper:
Fail to register isnt even much of a tack on charge anymore since its only a civil infraction.

Originally Posted By TheOtherDave:


I never understood people's reluctance to use a better, more expensive weapon for personal defense based on the idea that they might have to surrender it for a while as evidence.

Look, if you take a human life or shoot someone the last thing you are going to be thinking about while watching them bleed out on your carpet is "Damn... I'm not going to see this gun again for a year!".... Use the gun that is most effective for the task at hand and use it to Shoot To Live rather than "Shoot To Kill".

Originally Posted By MidMichHunter:
That's our tax $ hard at work right there...

Rep. [INSERT REP'S NAME],

Currently, SB 610 has been reported out of the House Judiciary Committee favorably 8-0 and has been referred to the order of Second Reading of Bills. This bill was passed unanimously in the Senate Judiciary Committee only 8 days after it was introduced. Less than a month after being referred to the committee of the whole, it was passed by a 36-2 vote. I strongly urge you to support this bill when it comes before the House of Representatives.

SB 610 would align Michigan with 41 other states that currently follow federal firearms laws and allow for the legal possession of properly registered short barrel rifles (SBR) and short barrel shotguns (SBS). An individual wishing to take possession of such a firearm must submit an application form, passport-quality photograph, fingerprint cards, and $200 special tax to the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms, and Explosives(BATFE). The BATFE conducts a thorough background investigation and processes the application, usually taking 6 months or more to reach a conclusion of approval or denial. If approved, the individual's firearm is then registered with the BATFE (note: this is not done with most firearms in the United States) and under SB 610, the firearm would be required to be registered with the Michigan State Police. These firearms are highly regulated, and may only be possessed by persons cleared through a background check.

Allowing for the legal possession of SBRs and SBSs in Michigan would open an entirely new economic market in the state. Under current Michigan laws, firearm manufactures in Michigan are prohibited from making or selling SBRs and SBSs, even if they are to be sold in other states. SB 610 would open a market of 42 states that Michigan manufacturers would be able to market their products in. The bill would also allow Michigan's federal firearm licensees (FFL) (licensed firearm dealers), who have the required Buearu of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms, and Explosive (BATFE) issued special occupational tax (SOT) stamp (an additional $500.00 per year fee, in addition to the standard FFL fee) to carry these additional products to sell that previously were prohibited. The economic benefit of this bill could create additional jobs and bring additional revenue to Michigan-based companies.

Thank you,
[INSERT YOUR NAME]

Originally Posted By coctailer:
Dudes, the SBR bill n Washington State passed the Senate and is headed to the Governors desk.

Hopefully MI will see this and follow their example.

Originally Posted By dclark77:
Shows it passed the full house vote today.

103 Yeas. To 6 Nays.

Shows returned to Senate.

http://www.mlive.com/lansing-news/index.ssf/2014/03/michigan_house_takes_aim_at_pu.html#incart_river_defaultd

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Originally Posted By yagermeister:
cool thanks, now will Snyder sign it ??? ugh cant wait till it over
well according to that and the vote even if he vetos it ,it will still probably become law WOOT!

Originally Posted By MidMichHunter:
I have an AR pistol, registered as a pistol, how do I make it a SBR if & when this passes?   I know I have to send the form4 into the BATF w/ a $200 check, but is that it?  Do I need to do anything with MSP to change the classification from a pistol to a SBR?

Originally Posted By cybersniper:
Since its already registered with MSP as a pistol your all set with them. Just have to fill out the ATF Form 1(Form 1 is to make, Form 4 is to transfer an already made one from someone else) in duplicate original (ink signed both copies) and have your local Chief LEO sign the backs or set up a Trust and go that route. If your putting them in your name ( not a Trust) then you also need the ATF Declaration of Citizenship form (Form#5330.20) in duplicate. Two finger print cards done by local LE and two passport size photos of yourself to staple to the Form1. All of that along with your $200 check to the ATF. Wait about a year. Then once your approved form comes back get your name, city, state engraved on the serialized part (usually the lower) then slap whatever upper, or in your case a stock, you want on it. Some get it engraved while waiting for the ATF. Some don't incase they get denied for some reason.

Also, all of the above has to be done for each firearm you what to SBR/SBS. So, if you have two lowers and a shotgun to submit, you'll need 6 forms, 6 finger print cards, 6 photos, three $200 checks, etc. I know the Feds will get getting at least $600 of my money as I have an AR lower, Sig 556, and Mossberg 590 to submit.

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Originally Posted By cybersniper:
Since its already registered with MSP as a pistol your all set with them. Just have to fill out the ATF Form 1(Form 1 is to make, Form 4 is to transfer an already made one from someone else) in duplicate original (ink signed both copies) and have your local Chief LEO sign the backs or set up a Trust and go that route. If your putting them in your name ( not a Trust) then you also need the ATF Declaration of Citizenship form (Form#5330.20) in duplicate. Two finger print cards done by local LE and two passport size photos of yourself to staple to the Form1. All of that along with your $200 check to the ATF. Wait about a year. Then once your approved form comes back get your name, city, state engraved on the serialized part (usually the lower) then slap whatever upper, or in your case a stock, you want on it. Some get it engraved while waiting for the ATF. Some don't incase they get denied for some reason.

Also, all of the above has to be done for each firearm you what to SBR/SBS. So, if you have two lowers and a shotgun to submit, you'll need 6 forms, 6 finger print cards, 6 photos, three $200 checks, etc. I know the Feds will get getting at least $600 of my money as I have an AR lower, Sig 556, and Mossberg 590 to submit.

Originally Posted By greco:
It looks like it would be a bad move to reclassify the AOW because you can own an NFA AOW in any state (or most states), whereas an sbs/sbr is not legal in more states. Thanks for the  reply.

Originally Posted By cybersniper:
Since your changing the classification to a short barreled shotgun it will require a Form 1, Application to Make And Register a Firearm. It will need the full paper work, $200, and waiting again. Also, its my understanding that since you'll be adding a stock to it, it can never go back to an AOW.