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Posted: 12/16/2007 4:35:33 PM EDT
Update 1/26: I went by today and the 30.06 signs are indeed gone!
Took the wife there today to see I am Legend and I saw a 30.06 sign posted on the box office. The wording was correct but it did not appear to be large enough. Regardless, I'm sending them this e-mail later today and will be CCing all their locations.
If you're a frequent customer, contact information is here. Let them know. www.drafthouse.com/main/contact.php |
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Aw man! That's my favorite movie house.
I was planning on going to see "No Country for..." and "I am Legend" at the Alamo. I'll be driving past there to eyeball the sign, then I'll write a complaint letter to let them know I went elsewhere. |
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They aren't a 51% establishment? I've only been there a couple of times, but I'm fairly sure that my beer bill was a lot bigger than my sandwich bill...
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was wondering that myself. Wife's from Austin and I know that when we visited our alcohol bill was probably half our tab |
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I would guess so. |
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Just received a reply:
To which I sent back:
I believe these are franchises and I don't know if the other locations post 30.06, but I will not be going to Lake Creek ever again. |
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I have linked this post on Subguns.
Maybe this cinema needs to implement a 100% no guns policy. If I have to give up my guns to see one of their movies, then they should not be able to make money on movies that have guns... How can they profit from gun violence as depicted in film, but they can deny my ability to lawfully carry??? |
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Posted this on THR and TexasCHLForum. One of their members did some legwork
DVD"RockingTheBoat"Tracker |
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I sent Alamo Lake Creek an email. I probably go to Alamo once a week, split between LC and Village.
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Here is the email I sent off to the general manager at Alamo Drafthouse Lake Creek:
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I also sent one, though not as detailed.
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The ALamo Drafthouse in Katy (on Mason Rd) also now has a 30.06 sign, although the lettering is technically too small.
This is one of the newest locations. They started out with a no unlicensed possession sign (which is still up) and added the 30.06 about a month or two ago. Given the smaller than required lettering, I have ignored it thus far. Perhaps I'll have to make a call as well... |
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Please do. CMOS |
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If you do make a call, and I hope you do, please do not inform them of their error with the sign. We should not be telling these misinformed individuals that their signs are not legal and to put up legal signs.
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Haven't called yet (working all day), but no way I would point out thier mistake.
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FWIW I have a friend who is a Federal criminal prosecuter. My main question to him was whether it was legal to carry in a bank that had no sign.He seemed to think that was ok. My second question was that if any sign did not meet the requirements as laid out in the handbook was it still ok to carry there. His reply was that you do not want to be the test case. |
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If its an issue of the 51% alcohol revenue, they need not post the 30.06 and in fact must post the red "51" sign. In which case CHL holders violate the law regardless whether the business wants to turn away CHL holders or attract them.
Also, if you know the wording is correct, but lettering too small, will you be able to stand before a jury and honestly say you had no idea they didnt want CHL's in their establishment? Better to just go elsewhere. Nothing to gain or lose, then, from telling them their sign does not pass legal muster. Perhaps if they learn that the signage they'd need is just too unreasonable, they'll take it down altogether. There's a reason why we made the signs meet minimum size requirements. |
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I drove by the Lake Creek Alamo Drafthouse yesterday evening and did not see a 30.06 sign.
Where is it posted? |
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Inside the box office, both the far-right and far-left bottom corners. |
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I was just by there today and it's there, very small. You are actually tresspassing by the time you can actually read it.
I have yet to get a response to my email. |
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I'd agree that the '51%' sign might fit better... and thinking about it, it probably wouldn't be such an off estimate. It would be easy to spend $10 on a movie, and more than $10 on drinks.
My ex girlfriend is their HR lady... I just shot her an email. Maybe she'll be able to give a general number on the amount of revenue from alcohol that they average. BTW, I just got my CHL in the mail today! W00T!!!!!! |
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This is what I wrote to them.
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I too sent them a letter
I am sorry to see that you no longer want Law abiding citizens that carry concealed weapons in your business. God help you if some "crazy" with a gun comes in the building and decides to do harm. I was a Deputy Sheriff for over twelve years and now carry my concealed weapon everywhere but, I won't be there to help. God Bless, Dewayne |
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I am a member of a few mailing lists for competetive shooters. I posted this to the list, this was one reply.....
I also asked Karl if I could forward this to the drafthouse staff |
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does anyone know if the houston alamo rafthouse has a 30.06? sign?
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Karl makes a great point here... the Lake Creek one is close to my house, but I will not be going there anymore. |
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If all they sold were movie tickets and alcohol, you might be right. But they also sell a lot of food, from appetizers to main courses to dessert (ask me how I know) So I would be surprised if the 51% sign actually applies (although it is possible). |
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My email to them this evening...
----- Original Message ---- From: esse_bee_are To: [email protected] Cc: [email protected] Sent: Friday, December 21, 2007 Subject: Recipie for disaster Lake Creek Drafthouse management, Your decision to deny lawful concealed carry onto your property is your right, and I do respect that right. However, I deem it my moral obligation to do EVERYTHING IN MY POWER to ensure that law abiding citizens who are concerned about not just their personal safety, but the erosion of our liberties, boycotts your theater. This is not because I dislike your policy. This is out of concern for their safety as THEY may not realize what the sign means, yet the bad guys do. I do not wish to change your opinion about firearms, however I would like to point out that the ONLY thing you are accomplishing is to send out an open invite to all who know they can count on you to provide a willfully disarmed group of victims should they decide to not give a damn what your sign says. Look at what just happened at The New Life Church where Jeanne Assam, who had a concealed carry permit, shot a heavily armed man as he began attacking unarmed people. New Life’s Senior Pastor Brady Boyd hailed Jeanne as “a real hero,” because the gunman she shot “had enough ammunition on him to cause a lot of damage.” There is no question that this citizen’s action - using her personal firearm - saved many lives. Please also consider the story of Mark Wilson who sacrificed his own life three years ago on the Tyler Texas courthouse steps when a heavily armed, David Arroyo, chose to start shooting innocent victims. And what about the recent mall shooting, imagine what could have happened had a responsibly armed citizen been there, or at Virginia Tech, or Columbine, etc? How could the outcome have been different had a responsible citizen such as Jeanne or Mark been among the crowds? Think about this. Let's say for a moment that there is a mass shooting at your establishment. The blood of not just those who chose to comply with your sign, but the others they are unable to protect is on your hands. My wife and I took our son to his first movie at your location. The mothers group that she is a member of frequents your location; as do the husbands who enjoy coming there to drink beer and watch the action films that our wives do not wish to see. My family will never come back. Regrettably, A former customer |
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I posted on Glocktalk too. Not as much interest. I saw that its posted on texas 3006 .com too.
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I got this in reply, and is a bit more humble in her wording as she passes off the proverbial 'hot potato'.
----- Original Message ---- Hi SBR and thanks for writing. Unfortunately, those of us who receive this email, including myself, are unable to dictate any policy at our store... including the one you are referencing in this chain of emails. We are the management, but not final decision makers. If you would like to further discuss this policy with someone above us, please contact [email protected] and the owner will get back to you. I believe the owner has contacted the TABC recently over inquiries about our signage, which has been posted for nearing a year now. Again, I apologize that I cannot bring more to the table, but I am only a representative of the policy and not, contrary to the popular belief in many of the emails I have received, personally responsible for this decision. I hope the redirection is helpful to you. Happy Holidays! Yours, Lauren S. Rogers General Manager Alamo Drafthouse Lake Creek 512.219.7803 |
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I got basically the same email.
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What a bunch of BS. Her reply to me said:
Call her on this. Now she's trying to pass the buck. |
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No shit, that pisses me off; and I don't think they qualify for the 51% sign, this is a libtard agenda. |
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Nice,
I sent the following:
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Its nice to see lil' Miss Lauren Liberal passing the buck now that she realizes that her liberal stance ain't popular in this great state!
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http://glocktalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=798946 |
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Is there a site that would show us which businesses actually fall under the 51%. I have seen this sign in places that I would question the validity of its placement.
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I agree completely... in fact I just got a shitty reply to my last email that the owner@ email address didn't work. Here's the latest - From: Lauren Rogers [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Saturday, December 22, 2007 11:57 PM To: SBR Subject: Re: Recipie for disaster Hi again SBR, I politely ask that you leave me out of all future correspondence in this matter. As mentioned before, none of this is in my hands. I am sure you understand that I have a large amount of email traffic and cannot continue in all of these chains. I do, however, wish you luck in your continued communications. Happy Holidays. Yours, Lauren S. Rogers General Manager Alamo Drafthouse Lake Creek 512.219.7803 |
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Ohno . . . she was really keen to take ownership ofthe idea when she thought her liberal views would be appreciated in Texas.
She needs to bekept in the loop now that she is disavowing the idea hat she liked so much. |
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The address tot he owner at the drafthouse failed.
Anyone have a good address to the owners?
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IM sent |
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They can run their business as they see fit.
You don't like it, go elsewhere. Although I disagree with their stance, they're under no obligation to be my own personal movie theatre. If they don't serve people in purple shirts, or don't allow smoking, or CHL folks to carry, or whatever it's their call. If the service is not to my satisfaction, I'll find another place to go. They're not actively advertising an anti-gun stance, or protesting your right to carry... they just want to run their business in a particular way. If enough people don't go to their theatre because of that, they'll either have to change or go out of business, but all this campaigning is ridiculous. Trying to railroad them into your way of thinking (even if I agree with it) is just as pointless as the brady folks bombarding you with anti-gun literature. They weren't rude or hostile in their response to your enquiry, they just gave you their stance. They're within their rights, you're within yours to go elsewhere. Your campaign against them is needlessly hostile, IMO. Does Cinemark have a posted sign? If not, problem solved. |
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TRB, I disagree completely. One thing we have learned from watching the BradyBunch and the civil rights movementwork is that public protests work and they work by mobilizing large numbers of interesrted parties to let the business owners know that his beleifs and actions are not tolerable or acceptable behavior. If we do not take a stand with each and every business, Cinemark will be the next theater to post 30.06 signs becasue they saw that Alamo Drafthouse got away with it, then the Edwards cinema will post the signs and then, you will have no theater to go to. I ask you Rabbit Bane . . . . where do you draw the line? Do you draw it early on and defned it vigorously OR do you wait until there is no place to draw the line? What say you? I know that as a gun owner, you have seen the effects of drawing that line late. |
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