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Posted: 4/15/2024 10:35:19 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By FredMan: Random pics of ones I've found growing wild out in the woods in Virginia, North Carolina, and Maryland. These are sprouts from original rootstock that got killed over a hundred years ago. Think about that. Blight kills tree in the early 20th century. Tree says "FU, blight, Imma gonna sprout!" Blight says "FU, tree, Imma gonna kill you again!!" Lather, rinse, repeat for over a century. Boggles the mind. Chestnut is one tenacious beast. https://live.staticflickr.com/2917/33616658101_a507a2631d_h.jpgKo Chestnut by FredMan, on Flickr https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/52055056768_c792837b25_h.jpgChestnut Leaf-out by FredMan, on Flickr https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49751663626_f1fa23edab_h.jpgBI1002 American Chestnut by FredMan, on Flickr https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49751671281_34f94fc08e_h.jpgChestnut Sprouts by FredMan, on Flickr https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49751990972_9b5b668cc4_h.jpgChestnut by FredMan, on Flickr I love seeing this, and appreciate your post. I had a mowing client for just a few mows after they lost their "other guy", with what I believe may be one of these "sprouts from an original" in the back yard. It was a good size specimen. The client sold the house and moved in winter, and I never got the opportunity to collect material from that tree. Maybe it was a hybrid. But I kept looking at it every time I ducked under the branches and man, it looked solid. I will never know now. But I'm glad to see what you have posted here. I've said for years that I believe the American Chestnut will eventually overcome the blight and become resistant. (It was just SO strong and widespread, I felt like it was not gonna do a European Grape Variety thing and just give over.) I obviously WANT that to be the truth, so it's a weak perspective, but I've always had a hunch this species was not gonna go down so easily. My dad (born in 1919) loved this species. Then I remember. Disease also mutates. Dammit.  I still hope the species will overcome. @Fredman how big do you see them getting before they get knocked back? |
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Posted: 4/15/2024 10:41:54 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By DanishM1Garand: I’m immune to the poison. About half of the folks you meet are immune as well. When I was 12-13 years old I would advertise that I could cut down poison ivy and it paid 10 bucks an hour in 1974. Ask around. Someone you know is immune. Pay them to get rid of it.  I was immune also, until I hit about 45. I didn't even need to wear gloves to pull it up, tear it out, cut it down... I don't get it really bad now (my husband is the opposite..he gets it bad, though we have found a treatment that works.) Still...it's annoying to have to watch for it. Never had to when I was young. |
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Posted: 4/16/2024 1:03:02 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ZW17: That is 100% blight, lending itself to be American Chestnut most likely. That tree will most likely be dead within two seasons. If it loads up with chestnuts this season, it’s preparing to die. The only thing that gives me a sliver of hope is that this tree has clearly been sick for a long time. Dead and mostly rotten branches wired in place by vines. What bark remains on them has that same splitting / cracking. I do wonder (though I know this is not likely) if this tree has been fighting blight for a long time and surviving its attacks through either hypovirulence or some other from of resistance. Time will tell, in several ways. |
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Posted: 4/16/2024 8:18:34 PM EDT
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One of my hybrids is leafing out:
 A persimmon we planted a couple months ago: 
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Posted: 4/16/2024 8:22:05 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By arowneragain: One of my hybrids is leafing out: https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/47056/74FB2F2A-3712-47C7-8994-428D67DAA943-3189881.jpg A persimmon we planted a couple months ago: https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/47056/6476504A-F40B-47FF-948B-95C8A8727C47-3189882.jpg I love that we have a 5 page thread on it, there's a private foundation, yet no government effort to do what we're doing. You do not need any more proof that what's important to regular people is not important to the Federal government. And while no one will probably vote on it, there's tons of men and women that just want younger generations to see an American Chesnut. In many cases, one they themselves haven't enjoyed. |
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Posted: 4/16/2024 8:37:29 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 13Joker: Looked that up. Not really a cure, but a bandaid and one that sounds like a huge pita. Why don't systemic fungicides work? Systemics for trees are exceptionally expensive with little practical application to anything other than exceptionally high value shade, yard, or ornamental individuals. If you’ve got a significant tree, like the Compton Oak, yeah, then it might be worth it. Anything else? The juice isn’t nearly worth the squeeze.  Compton Oak by FredMan, on Flickr
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Posted: 4/16/2024 9:16:17 PM EDT
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Awesome thread OP. I had no idea about American Chestnut. Now I want to plant a few on my land.
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Posted: 4/16/2024 9:24:15 PM EDT
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If you end up with a bunch of viable seeds I’d love
To get some as well. I’ve got 2 acres and a couple nice chestnut would be great. |
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Posted: 4/16/2024 9:27:55 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By FredMan: Systemics for trees are exceptionally expensive with little practical application to anything other than exceptionally high value shade, yard, or ornamental individuals. If you’ve got a significant tree, like the Compton Oak, yeah, then it might be worth it. Anything else? The juice isn’t nearly worth the squeeze. https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/52853922612_15a6223c21_h.jpgCompton Oak by FredMan, on Flickr I thought that looked familiar. |
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Posted: 4/16/2024 9:35:32 PM EDT
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We planted three about 4 years ago here in Arkansas. One left. We will try again. They are awesome trees. I remember a couple in Ohio my grandfather planted. The idiots cut them down for a parking lot.
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Posted: 4/16/2024 9:35:51 PM EDT
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Never knew they were endangered. Cool thread, I'll plant some if you end up sending seeds out
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Posted: 4/16/2024 10:06:02 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By HEMIsphere05: Never knew they were endangered. Cool thread, I'll plant some if you end up sending seeds out The American Chesnut foundation will sell you some as well, you just gotta be a member. https://support.tacf.org/membership/new-seed-level If you guys are serious, put up. Spend money either in nurseries or from them. Buy them, plant them. Even better provide those people with data, date planted, etc. They're going to keep dying. The data we can supply is what will help future research. No one is going to do it but you. |
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Posted: 4/16/2024 10:07:38 PM EDT
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Posted: 4/17/2024 6:32:28 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By W202fan90: This is a stupid question , but is it not possible to grow them to maturity in a controlled, fungus-free environment (does the pathogen affect the seeds/nuts)? Or is that just too cost prohibitive? It’s possible, if you want to set up a bio dome facility and hermetically seal it. It’d have to be completely self contained with all kinds of measures to filter and kill the fungus. You can assume that there are fugal spores everywhere in the atmosphere right now. |
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Posted: 4/17/2024 6:33:39 AM EDT
[Last Edit: Sierra5]
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Posted: 4/17/2024 6:58:28 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By big_sti: Boomers in here getting excited over a tree Please don't troll this thread. This has been a nice informative discussion. Besides, I'm a millennial. |
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Posted: 4/17/2024 7:01:14 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By buckstrucks: subbed for updates. |
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Posted: 4/17/2024 7:26:28 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By governmentman: Please don't troll this thread. This has been a nice informative discussion. Besides, I'm a millennial. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By governmentman: Originally Posted By big_sti: Boomers in here getting excited over a tree Please don't troll this thread. This has been a nice informative discussion. Besides, I'm a millennial. It's a great thread. If I could figure out how grow a couple of these out in the middle of this desolated treeless area I live in, I sure would. And my Dad was a boomer. |
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Posted: 4/17/2024 11:59:18 AM EDT
[Last Edit: Bohr_Adam]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By WhiskersTheCat: I love that we have a 5 page thread on it, there's a private foundation, yet no government effort to do what we're doing. You do not need any more proof that what's important to regular people is not important to the Federal government. And while no one will probably vote on it, there's tons of men and women that just want younger generations to see an American Chesnut. In many cases, one they themselves haven't enjoyed. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By WhiskersTheCat: Originally Posted By arowneragain: One of my hybrids is leafing out: https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/47056/74FB2F2A-3712-47C7-8994-428D67DAA943-3189881.jpg A persimmon we planted a couple months ago: https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/47056/6476504A-F40B-47FF-948B-95C8A8727C47-3189882.jpg I love that we have a 5 page thread on it, there's a private foundation, yet no government effort to do what we're doing. You do not need any more proof that what's important to regular people is not important to the Federal government. And while no one will probably vote on it, there's tons of men and women that just want younger generations to see an American Chesnut. In many cases, one they themselves haven't enjoyed. I mean, I'd hate to throw water on a good narrative and all, but the American Chestnut Foundation has indeed received federal grant money. The USDA has a whole program to support this kind of research, it's the kind of stuff we usually see threads about implying how much of a waste it is. https://www.nrcs.usda.gov/programs-initiatives/cig-conservation-innovation-grants https://cig.sc.egov.usda.gov/ https://cig.sc.egov.usda.gov/projects/use-chestnut-establish-forest-plantings-reclaimed-mine-sites-appalachia-develop-online https://cig.sc.egov.usda.gov/projects/planting-potentially-blight-resistant-american-chestnuts-actively-managed-forest-increase |
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Posted: 4/17/2024 12:34:06 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By WhiskersTheCat: I love that we have a 5 page thread on it, there's a private foundation, yet no government effort to do what we're doing. You do not need any more proof that what's important to regular people is not important to the Federal government. And while no one will probably vote on it, there's tons of men and women that just want younger generations to see an American Chesnut. In many cases, one they themselves haven't enjoyed. It's not just the American Chestnut. |
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Posted: 4/19/2024 7:15:09 PM EDT
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On the subject of tree nuts:
  
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Posted: 4/19/2024 9:25:49 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By big_sti: [Deleted] Nice waste of your .02 posts per day average. |
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Posted: 4/22/2024 11:54:13 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By WhiskersTheCat: Here's one of my American Chesnut saplings. It started to leaf over the weekend.  Attached File Attached FileVery nice! |
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Posted: 4/22/2024 2:36:48 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By arowneragain: On the subject of tree nuts: https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/47056/006993CD-DA06-4956-8129-A6DDA0BAC5A0-3192548.jpg https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/47056/FF4A28A0-0946-42A8-8A5F-DD83709B0B35-3192549.jpg Filbert? |
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Posted: 4/22/2024 4:01:29 PM EDT
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Awesome thread, very educational. I’m going to get some seeds/saplings when available and plant a few on my acreage.
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Posted: 4/22/2024 6:04:36 PM EDT
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What soil do I use to start the seeds I bought? I plan on keeping them in pots for a couple/few years before planting them outside so the deet don't get to them.
I'm reading the soil needs to be acidic. |
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Posted: 4/26/2024 12:29:06 AM EDT
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Posted: 4/26/2024 12:43:43 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By USMARINE1108: I got my seeds planted today. Now I wait... https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/73819/440383492_10230206364814605_240724184505-3198082.JPG https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/73819/440321663_10230206365774629_523392165240-3198083.JPG https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/73819/2011rl_jpg-3198084.JPG This thread is really awesome and fills me with hope for the future |
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Posted: 4/26/2024 12:58:21 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By USMARINE1108: What soil do I use to start the seeds I bought? I plan on keeping them in pots for a couple/few years before planting them outside so the deet don't get to them. I'm reading the soil needs to be acidic. Potting soil is fine. I put mine in the ground when it was very small, just a month old, after I sprouted it in potting soil. I ringed it with galvanized ducting in the ground to keep the voles away. Putting a tree in the ground early has it's advantages. The roots have room to grow. Pots constrain them and can lead to later problems (girdling roots) if not transplanted properly. My tree is doing fine in limestone (higher pH) soil. Soil pH may not play as much a factor in cultivated trees as often thought. |
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Posted: 4/26/2024 8:45:13 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By trails-end: Filbert? Yes. I planted 10 of them several years ago. Only six lived. The lawn mower may have played a role in that.  Biggest ones should have fruit this year. |
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Posted: 4/26/2024 8:54:18 AM EDT
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Thanks in part to this thread my wife has order a shit ton of chestnuts and other trees. Least two dozen in the last week alone.
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Posted: 4/26/2024 11:16:23 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Covertness: Thanks in part to this thread my wife has order a shit ton of chestnuts and other trees. Least two dozen in the last week alone. I started seeds for the garden yesterday, basic vegetable stuff. I also grabbed some acorns to plant (we have lots of oak but I figured I'd just try and see what happens). I also started some pear and apple seeds. We'll see what happens. 
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Posted: 4/28/2024 4:15:55 PM EDT
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 We have tap roots sprouting after just a week in soil. So far 100% germination out of the 30 or so seeds we started. We are moving them to deep root planters today to let them continue growing. |
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Posted: 4/28/2024 4:16:57 PM EDT
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Posted: 4/28/2024 4:46:52 PM EDT
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I learned from this thread. Thank you for posting it.
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Posted: 4/28/2024 4:47:30 PM EDT
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Rating thread as epic.
Thank you, OP, for bringing to us a glimmer of hope to a sad page of American history. |
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Posted: 4/28/2024 4:55:07 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Creature: Rating thread as epic. Thank you, OP, for bringing to us a glimmer of hope to a sad page of American history. Just do it bro. Just go buy seeds or a sapling and plant it. The government is gay as shit they're not going to. You need to. |
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Posted: 4/28/2024 5:05:44 PM EDT
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I take it they probably wouldn't do too well here, still cool to see so many rearing new ones. Maybe one day they will dominate your forests again.
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Posted: 4/28/2024 5:09:12 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Tuco22: I take it they probably wouldn't do too well here, still cool to see so many rearing new ones. Maybe one day they will dominate your forests again. Definitely not in our lifetime, but that's the cool part. If all us old guys can plant a whole bunch than maybe one evolves and our kid's kids might get to plant them. And then 200 years later someone can enjoy them. It will not happen under our watch, which is actually really cool. |
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Posted: 4/28/2024 5:16:19 PM EDT
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I’ll take some OP. I’ll pay for shipping and a few dollars for your efforts.
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Posted: 4/28/2024 5:38:19 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Tuco22]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By WhiskersTheCat: Definitely not in our lifetime, but that's the cool part. If all us old guys can plant a whole bunch than maybe one evolves and our kid's kids might get to plant them. And then 200 years later someone can enjoy them. It will not happen under our watch, which is actually really cool. Yeah, figured it would take a few life times but it's a noble endeavor and I hope enough interest persists to see it through. |
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Posted: 4/28/2024 5:54:53 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Tuco22: Yeah, figured it would take a few life times but it's a noble endeavor and I hope enough interest persists to see it through. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Tuco22: Originally Posted By WhiskersTheCat: Definitely not in our lifetime, but that's the cool part. If all us old guys can plant a whole bunch than maybe one evolves and our kid's kids might get to plant them. And then 200 years later someone can enjoy them. It will not happen under our watch, which is actually really cool. Yeah, figured it would take a few life times but it's a noble endeavor and I hope enough interest persists to see it through. Nothing more western than planting something you know will die, hoping it eventually won't die. That one day some kids who never knew us will enjoy a tree they never planted. That some animals who are totally without reason will be happy because they have a source of food. That maybe we can reverse the course of a retard from NY. Maybe someone else can have what we never did. And that is fucking awesome |
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Posted: 4/28/2024 6:03:37 PM EDT
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I learned more about trees than I ever thought I would want to know lol
This is actually a pretty cool thread
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Posted: 4/28/2024 9:16:00 PM EDT
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No real updates, leaves are growing but still very small. The old tree was one of the last on our hill to put out leaves.
Might take a walk around and get pictures of the leaf buds tomorrow since it's supposed to be nice. |
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Posted: 4/28/2024 10:34:41 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By WhiskersTheCat: I love that we have a 5 page thread on it, there's a private foundation, yet no government effort to do what we're doing. You do not need any more proof that what's important to regular people is not important to the Federal government. And while no one will probably vote on it, there's tons of men and women that just want younger generations to see an American Chesnut. In many cases, one they themselves haven't enjoyed. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By WhiskersTheCat: Originally Posted By arowneragain: One of my hybrids is leafing out: https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/47056/74FB2F2A-3712-47C7-8994-428D67DAA943-3189881.jpg A persimmon we planted a couple months ago: https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/47056/6476504A-F40B-47FF-948B-95C8A8727C47-3189882.jpg I love that we have a 5 page thread on it, there's a private foundation, yet no government effort to do what we're doing. You do not need any more proof that what's important to regular people is not important to the Federal government. And while no one will probably vote on it, there's tons of men and women that just want younger generations to see an American Chesnut. In many cases, one they themselves haven't enjoyed. There’s more than one private foundation. Here’s one local to me that focuses specifically on the Ozark Chinquapin. |
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Posted: 4/29/2024 6:16:27 AM EDT
[Last Edit: trails-end]
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Where can I get American Chestnut seeds? Every site I find is OOS or requires a $300 membership.
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Posted: 4/29/2024 8:24:48 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By trails-end: Where can I get American Chestnut seeds? Every site I find is OOS or requires a $300 membership. I got mine here. It was linked a couple of pages back. $10 for 5 seeds. https://store.experimentalfarmnetwork.org/products/american-chestnut?variant=42663267958837 |
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Posted: 4/29/2024 8:39:04 AM EDT
[Last Edit: trails-end]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By USMARINE1108: I got mine here. It was linked a couple of pages back. $10 for 5 seeds. https://store.experimentalfarmnetwork.org/products/american-chestnut?variant=42663267958837 Thanks. Sold out. I can find seedlings, but I prefer planting them in the fall. Planting them in the spring and keeping them alive through a dry summer is hit or miss. I just transplanted some black walnuts that came from seed I put in a vegetable bed 2 years ago. I hope I can keep them alive. I'm 56yo. My dad said, "25 years after you die, somebody might get some nuts off those trees." I've planted a lot of trees that will never shade me. I just hope somebody in my family still owns them at that point. |
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Posted: 4/30/2024 9:15:09 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By trails-end: Thanks. Sold out. I can find seedlings, but I prefer planting them in the fall. Planting them in the spring and keeping them alive through a dry summer is hit or miss. I just transplanted some black walnuts that came from seed I put in a vegetable bed 2 years ago. I hope I can keep them alive. I'm 56yo. My dad said, "25 years after you die, somebody might get some nuts off those trees." I've planted a lot of trees that will never shade me. I just hope somebody in my family still owns them at that point. Thats my theory. My land has a bunch of mature trees but I have a bunch of seeds started. I have 20 oaks planted in pots right now along with the American Chestnuts. I want to get some maples planted also. They'll stay in pots for a few years so the deer don't destroy them. |
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Posted: 4/30/2024 9:17:12 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Flindelaaf: Potting soil is fine. I put mine in the ground when it was very small, just a month old, after I sprouted it in potting soil. I ringed it with galvanized ducting in the ground to keep the voles away. Putting a tree in the ground early has it's advantages. The roots have room to grow. Pots constrain them and can lead to later problems (girdling roots) if not transplanted properly. My tree is doing fine in limestone (higher pH) soil. Soil pH may not play as much a factor in cultivated trees as often thought. I forgot to say thanks for the reply. I did end up using potting soil. |
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