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Posted: 5/10/2024 9:33:45 PM EDT
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By '94 grunge music was dying, let alone hair bands.
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Posted: 5/10/2024 9:34:28 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By mancow: Fuck yes. That tranny rock was beyond stale. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By mancow: Originally Posted By Lungbuster: Big hair hit its expiration date. Good trade. Fuck yes. That tranny rock was beyond stale. More crap music came afterwards, though. |
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Posted: 5/10/2024 9:38:40 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Nick_Adams]
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Originally Posted By arowneragain: I'm not entirely against grunge, but what a crappy trade they made. We lost this - crisp music and clear lyrics:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BtuOAnsuZBYFor this guy who sang like he had a mouthful of marbles: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hs8y3kneqrsOr this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R8ZX4O-EfaoTo wit: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Damn_Yankees_ By 1994, there had been a changing of the guard at Warners. Jack Blades explained:  The new regime came in, and they didn't want to do anything with that style of music. And in fact, they paid Damn Yankees a million dollars not to do another Damn Yankees record. We're like, 'Really? OK, we'll just take the check. Why not?' That was how it was because Damn Yankees had sold so many records and we were so recouped, so in our contract the next thing was like 'We get a million bucks to do an album,' and they just paid us the million dollars NOT to do the record. That's how much nobody wanted anything to do with that era and style of music. So after that, Nugent revived his solo career, leaving Tommy Shaw and Jack Blades to record their own album as the duo Shaw Blades. Released in March 1995, Hallucination received very little support from its label as the personnel change brought in industry executives more sympathetic to alternative and grunge bands. Ultimately, the Shaw Blades album came out to some critical praise, but it vanished without major single support or a national tour (which had been cancelled by Warner Bros.). "I'll Always Be With You" did garner some AOR airplay and the title track was heard in the hit movie Tommy Boy, but after a brief West Coast tour, both Shaw and Blades went back to their respective original bands, Styx and Night Ranger.All that time we were trying to figure out what Eddie Vedder was saying (or trying to find a rock station) and we could have been listening to this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OBm8zfphficAt least this made it to air before the world went ga-ga for grunge: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bx6f68Wd9dcGrunge crushed more than that …. There were still some great “Hair bands” in the early 1990s cranking out classic rockers and anthems. The problem wasn’t their talent. It was their timing. They just arrived too late on a changing music scene and couldn’t stop the tsunami wave that was Grunge.  Firehouse - All She Wrote  Hardline - Hot Cherie (official video) |
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Posted: 5/10/2024 9:39:05 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By arowneragain: Oh, I agree. It's just a convenient place to shine the spotlight, mainly for the purpose of having something to say, to start an argument. Or a Friday Night Music Thread. Young people *always* want new and different music. Me, personally, I was pretty happy with rock, though. It took me years to warm up to PJ and Soundgarden and fast forward ~30 years and as much as I love and still enjoy Chris Cornell's music/voice, the rest of it....meh. I can do without it. But I still love good 80's rock. Yeah, the hair metal stuff got silly. But simple, hard rock, never got old to me. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0U0fRwAbrHI https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7zPBpWwTiPsseeing them and dudes like this at the Cannery and 328 Performance Hall in the early nineties was awesome |
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Posted: 5/10/2024 9:41:56 PM EDT
[#5]
 The Toxic Waltz |
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Posted: 5/10/2024 9:42:30 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By WinstonSmith: My freshman year of high school.  Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By WinstonSmith: My freshman year of high school. Me too. Those covers are the soundtrack to some major core memories. |
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Posted: 5/10/2024 9:47:06 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By OnlineAllTheTime: Me too. Those covers are the soundtrack to some major core memories. Same. I recognize all six of those album covers. |
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Posted: 5/10/2024 9:47:29 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 917-30]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 11boomboom: Old people usually hate the music that follows what was popular when they were teenagers/young adults. Same as it ever was. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 11boomboom: Old people usually hate the music that follows what was popular when they were teenagers/young adults. Same as it ever was. Normally I'd agree with you but as someone who grew up with 60s and 70s rock, many bands in the 80s sucked. There was still some good stuff then, but the whole hair band era was mostly vapid fluff. I enjoyed much of the grunge and alternative music in the 90s as a welcome relief. Eta Originally Posted By Clovis_Chitwood: Jackyl, that's a band I've not thought about in a long time seeing them and dudes like this at the Cannery and 328 Performance Hall in the early nineties was awesome https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y0bCOde6qZY Tried to see Tool at 328 in the early 90s but the show was sold out by the time I found out about as I was just in town for a couple of days on personal business. |
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Posted: 5/10/2024 9:55:09 PM EDT
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Glam/hair metal is retarded
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Posted: 5/10/2024 9:57:27 PM EDT
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Posted: 5/10/2024 9:58:43 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By arowneragain: We traded real men in gay clothes, for gay men in real clothes. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By arowneragain: Originally Posted By Spaceboy: We traded "men" in make up and hair spray for guys in flannel with beards. Good trade. We traded real men in gay clothes, for gay men in real clothes. |
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USA
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Posted: 5/10/2024 10:00:59 PM EDT
[#12]
 Testament - Souls Of Black |
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Posted: 5/10/2024 10:02:31 PM EDT
[#13]
Pearl Jam 10 is an amazing almost perfect album.
CC Deville is a genius on the guitar. All I got. |
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Posted: 5/10/2024 10:04:54 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By MudEagle: It was going to happen regardless. The longevity of Pearl Jam’s career and the depth of their catalog validates that choice entirely. Agree... they are a bit grungy I guess, but they are traditional rocking band for the most part IMO... they just dress like regular knock-around guys and Vedder is pretty unique vocally |
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AL, USA
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Posted: 5/10/2024 10:07:53 PM EDT
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90s music was awesome.
I love some AIC. Then boy bands and auto tune killed 90s music. |
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Posted: 5/10/2024 10:13:21 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ZitiForBreakfast: Pearl Jam 10 is an amazing almost perfect album. CC Deville is a genius on the guitar. All I got. I've seen PJ in concert and actually like *some* of their stuff. I just prefer 80's rock. And yes, CC Deville is an amazingly talented guitarist. I wish the entire 80's rock movement would have just cut their hair and found some decent pants and kept playing good music. |
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Posted: 5/10/2024 10:14:00 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Windustsearch]
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Pearl Jam is terrible. Worse than any average new garage band. I have zero idea why they have any fans at all, they can't still be riding on a good first album.
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AZ, USA
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Posted: 5/10/2024 10:14:28 PM EDT
[#18]
God bless them for making the change.
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Posted: 5/10/2024 10:19:01 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By arowneragain: I've seen PJ in concert and actually like *some* of their stuff. I just prefer 80's rock. And yes, CC Deville is an amazingly talented guitarist. I wish the entire 80's rock movement would have just cut their hair and found some decent pants and kept playing good music. Cinderella is an amazing rock band that tried looking hair metal..Tom Keifer is still killing it today. If you have the opportunity to see Keifer Band live, do it. |
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Posted: 5/10/2024 10:20:24 PM EDT
[Last Edit: triburst1]
[#20]
Damn Yankees and Warrant for Soundgarden and Alice In Chains might be the greatest trade of all time.
 Slaves & Bulldozers (Remastered)  Put You Down |
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Posted: 5/10/2024 10:34:51 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ZitiForBreakfast: Cinderella is an amazing rock band that tried looking hair metal..Tom Keifer is still killing it today. If you have the opportunity to see Keifer Band live, do it. I never liked Poison and that kinda schlock, was more a metal fan, but Cinderella was pretty good... pretty bluesy.. I saw them open for David Lee Roth in I think 1987-ish... friend was from Minnesota, he was all over their music |
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Posted: 5/10/2024 11:12:59 PM EDT
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Metal bands turned into the chick flick of music by cranking out shitty power ballads instead of actual metal. The quality of the new metal bands was rapidly declining by the time Grunge showed up.
I hated Pearl Jam's sound from the first time I heard them, though. The singing was "mumbling at the top of his lungs" and I always suspected the fanaticism about them was an astroturf kind of movement artificially hyped up by people within the music industry. |
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Posted: 5/10/2024 11:13:46 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryI have that and still listen to it. |
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Posted: 5/10/2024 11:16:32 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By GI-45: Nah, good trade. Glam rock/"metal" sucks. |
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Posted: 5/10/2024 11:21:20 PM EDT
[#25]
 Megadeth - Peace Sells Music Video FULL!!! Dave Mustaine is eternal. |
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PA, USA
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Posted: 5/11/2024 6:55:06 AM EDT
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80's for grunge! Good. Most of the 80's rock sucked. I hated the hair bands, most tried too hard to look like cheap hookers and sounded like they had vice grips on their balls. A broad at the shop that is my age (mid 60's) plays nothing but hair band shit. I plug in my ear buds and put on some Skynyrd, when I want to listen to something newer I listen to Death Punch.
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Posted: 5/11/2024 7:24:29 AM EDT
[Last Edit: creeper45]
[#27]
There is nothing worse than 80's power ballads
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Posted: 5/11/2024 7:41:07 AM EDT
[Last Edit: runcible]
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I was in my early 20's when Pearl Jam released their first album. I thought it sucked. I thought they sucked. Frankly, I hated grunge.
By the time grunge came along, hair metal was cartoonish buffoonery. People were hungry for something new. They wanted something more. Sadly, what we got was grunge. Monotonous, boring, ponderous sounding, grunge.  |
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Posted: 5/11/2024 7:45:27 AM EDT
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VA, USA
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Posted: 5/11/2024 8:02:02 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By JVD: I'll take Alice in Chains over any 80s rock.  Me too, AiC is largely metal though. |
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Posted: 5/11/2024 8:07:51 AM EDT
[#31]
 Soundgarden - Rusty Cage [Studio Version] |
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Posted: 5/11/2024 8:08:20 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By creeper45: There is nothing worse than 80's power ballads That’s crazy talk.  L.A. Guns - The Ballad Of Jayne (Official Music Video)  Damn Yankees - High Enough (Official Music Video) |
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OR, USA
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Posted: 5/11/2024 8:09:17 AM EDT
[#33]
Pearl Jam sucked has always sucked.
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Posted: 5/11/2024 8:12:49 AM EDT
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I hate hair bands. I quit buying and listening to that eras music. No radio, no CDs, no shows. I listened to Alternate, punk, Blues, and classic rock.
When Pearl Jam, Soundgarden, ect came along is was a nice change.I never got into Nirvana too much, but I wouldn't turn off my radio if it came on. Hair bands would get turned off immediately. Terrible music. Ballads? Awful. |
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Posted: 5/11/2024 8:15:30 AM EDT
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Unfortunate that good artists were not supported by their labels. That being said I graduated in 1993 so more or less a grunge kid.
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Posted: 5/11/2024 8:19:51 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By arowneragain: That’s crazy talk. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s6198qSm0Y0 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l_uh8XjgLTEQuote HistoryOriginally Posted By arowneragain: Originally Posted By creeper45: There is nothing worse than 80's power ballads That’s crazy talk. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s6198qSm0Y0 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l_uh8XjgLTEGreat job proving his point! |
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Posted: 5/11/2024 8:25:08 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Media_Noche: People were ready for a change. That’s just how it goes. I wasn't then and wasn't now.
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Posted: 5/11/2024 8:27:43 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Wespe: I agree, corporate rock was getting old and people wanted something genuine. The turd you dropped into the bowl yesterday is genuine, too. Just like grunge is/was. |
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Posted: 5/11/2024 8:34:55 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Wobblin-Goblin: I wasn't then and wasn't now. My man!  Tesla - Love Song |
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Posted: 5/11/2024 8:40:35 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryWould've went this route. each to his own. . . .  Tesla - Modern Day Cowboy |
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Posted: 5/11/2024 8:42:16 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Media_Noche: People were ready for |
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Posted: 5/11/2024 8:44:55 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Wespe: I have no idea what they mean, but here’s the lyrics: Unsealed, on a porch a letter sat Then you said, "I wanna leave it again" Once I saw her on a beach of weathered sand And on the sand I wanna leave her again On a weekend I wanna wish it all away, yeah And they called and I said that I'll go And I said that I'll call out again And the reason I ought ta leave her calm, I know I said, "I don't know whether I'm the boxer or the bag" Oh yeah, can you see them, out on the porch? Yeah, but they don't wave I see them 'round the front way, yeah And I know, and I know I don't wanna stay Make me cry I see oh, I don't know why there's something else I want to, wanna drum it all away I said, "I don't, I don't know whether I was the boxer or the bag" Oh yeah, can you see them, out the on porch? Yeah, but they don't wave I see them 'round the front way And I know, and I know I don't want to stay at all I don't want to stay I don't want to stay I don't want to stay I don't, I don't want to stay Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Wespe: Originally Posted By runfrumu: To be fair I believe yellow ledbetter was a demo the band recorded with Vedder sitting in for the first time just sounding out what he thought the song should sound like with no real lyrics and the record company released it to cash in on Pearl Jam. I have no idea what they mean, but here’s the lyrics: Unsealed, on a porch a letter sat Then you said, "I wanna leave it again" Once I saw her on a beach of weathered sand And on the sand I wanna leave her again On a weekend I wanna wish it all away, yeah And they called and I said that I'll go And I said that I'll call out again And the reason I ought ta leave her calm, I know I said, "I don't know whether I'm the boxer or the bag" Oh yeah, can you see them, out on the porch? Yeah, but they don't wave I see them 'round the front way, yeah And I know, and I know I don't wanna stay Make me cry I see oh, I don't know why there's something else I want to, wanna drum it all away I said, "I don't, I don't know whether I was the boxer or the bag" Oh yeah, can you see them, out the on porch? Yeah, but they don't wave I see them 'round the front way And I know, and I know I don't want to stay at all I don't want to stay I don't want to stay I don't want to stay I don't, I don't want to stay This is a generation's "Yesterday." |
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Posted: 5/11/2024 8:46:02 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By mancat: I think you underestimate how tired people were of 80s glam rock and metal That being said... grunge is generally awful with only a few stand outs that you couldn't really call totally grunge 100% of the time like Soundgarden, STP, Collective Soul, etc The Collective Soul album should have come with a suck warning. I added my own, on a post it note. |
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Posted: 5/11/2024 8:47:39 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By JVD: I'll take Alice in Chains over any 80s rock. They should have been named Speedball. |
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Posted: 5/11/2024 8:50:41 AM EDT
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You talk like that was a bad thing.
I kinda liked the detour from loud and proud big hair and codpiece-enhanced latex tights. |
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Posted: 5/11/2024 8:51:40 AM EDT
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90's grunge gave us legacy bands like Foo Fighters and Audioslave, both still relevant today. I'm not sure the same could be said for much of the 80's hair bands.
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Posted: 5/11/2024 8:51:42 AM EDT
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Nirvana recorded Nevermind right after Warrant in the same studio.
It was the changing of the guard. |
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Posted: 5/11/2024 8:56:30 AM EDT
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Lol Yellow Ledbetter is a masterpiece. What are you on about sir?!
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Posted: 5/11/2024 8:57:52 AM EDT
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Posted: 5/11/2024 8:58:56 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By creeper45: There is nothing worse than 80's power ballads Tesla - Love Song |
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