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Posted: 1/18/2024 11:20:06 AM EDT
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I want the commander version.
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No idea why they’re not offering it with a RDS model.
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Originally Posted By Cooper1: I want the commander version. View Quote That would be sick https://www.springfield-armory.com/1911-series-handguns/1911-trp-2023-handguns/1911-trp-425-45-acp-handgun-coyote-brown/ |
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Those look great. Really loving the serrated flat top, and getting away from the cone barrel and adjustable sight on the TRP Operator.
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They look really good. Glad it doesn't say TACTICAL everywhere.
But please release one in 9mm! |
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Jason Burton isn't looking very healthy...
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Hilton Yam review.
10-8 Performance Lab, Episode 92: Springfield Armory TRP 1911 (New for 2024) |
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Make sure you tell guys that the 1911 is a pain in the ass - Larry Vickers
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The review that really matters.
New 2024 Springfield Armory TRP 1911 45 ACP : The FBI 1911 |
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Make sure you tell guys that the 1911 is a pain in the ass - Larry Vickers
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I'm still hoping Dan Wesson brings the Specialist Commander 9mm back.
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View Quote No thanks. MIM parts cast parts 20 lpi checkering non GI guide rod Dan Wesson Specialist is a much better gun for that kind of money. |
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So MSRP is $1732 -$1999 and it’s still loaded with MIM and cast parts? Two piece guide rod who even has one of these?Is it me or does it not make any sense price point wise.
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Originally Posted By rigger7: So MSRP is $1732 -$1999 and it’s still loaded with MIM and cast parts? Two piece guide rod who even has one of these?Is it me or does it not make any sense price point wise. View Quote Dang I didnt see the price point until just now. Its a cool looking gun , but I assumed it was going to be closer to the $1k pricetag on the Operator. Like others mentioned that MSRP is in Dan Wesson and similar territory |
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for the price, a better hammer and sear would be nice.
"Muh tool steel" is pretty overhyped on 1911s though. I'd be much more concerned with things like barrel fit. You can still build a turd with no MIM or cast parts. If a company is using MIM I don't know why they can't get better lines on the safeties and other details though. I thought MIM was known for being dimensionally correct? |
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No red dot version???
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Originally Posted By Dunderway: for the price, a better hammer and sear would be nice. "Muh tool steel" is pretty overhyped on 1911s though. I'd be much more concerned with things like barrel fit. You can still build a turd with no MIM or cast parts. If a company is using MIM I don't know why they can't get better lines on the safeties and other details though. I thought MIM was known for being dimensionally correct? View Quote Nothing against properly formed and heat treated MIM parts, but considering that MIM is supposed to be an "economical" way of mass producing dimensionally correct parts with minimal to no fitting/machining required, the MSRP certainly doesn't really reflect it. Either the mark up is just high because of the TRP moniker or they're lacking economies of scale because not very many people purchase single stack 1911s these days (compared to polymer 9's). For comparison at equivalent MSRP, Dan Wesson Specialist still uses tool steel fire control parts (afaik). |
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Originally Posted By Bradd_D: The review that really matters. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3mDQtZSg0Cw View Quote Let me guess, he loved the shit out of it, it's the best thing ever, and he rolled in 20 minutes of glamor shots of himself shooting it. |
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Originally Posted By Evintos: Nothing against properly formed and heat treated MIM parts, but considering that MIM is supposed to be an "economical" way of mass producing dimensionally correct parts with minimal to no fitting/machining required, the MSRP certainly doesn't really reflect it. Either the mark up is just high because of the TRP moniker or they're lacking economies of scale because not very many people purchase single stack 1911s these days (compared to polymer 9's). For comparison at equivalent MSRP, Dan Wesson Specialist still uses tool steel fire control parts (afaik). View Quote |
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Make sure you tell guys that the 1911 is a pain in the ass - Larry Vickers
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Originally Posted By Evintos: Nothing against properly formed and heat treated MIM parts, but considering that MIM is supposed to be an "economical" way of mass producing dimensionally correct parts with minimal to no fitting/machining required, the MSRP certainly doesn't really reflect it. Either the mark up is just high because of the TRP moniker or they're lacking economies of scale because not very many people purchase single stack 1911s these days (compared to polymer 9's). For comparison at equivalent MSRP, Dan Wesson Specialist still uses tool steel fire control parts (afaik). View Quote MIM as economical is a fucking farce when Tisas can drop all-steel Series 70 guns for $400. |
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God's children are not for sale.
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Originally Posted By Bradd_D: The MSRP for the Specialist is $1849 to $2279 per the Dan Wesson website. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By Bradd_D: The MSRP for the Specialist is $1849 to $2279 per the Dan Wesson website. 2024 TRP is $1999 MSRP... ($1899 for the 2024 non railed version). Pricing wise (as well as general features such as ambi safety, front strap checkering, etc.) it's structured to be a direct competitor to the Dan Wesson. Originally Posted By MMcCall: MIM as economical is a fucking farce when Tisas can drop all-steel Series 70 guns for $400. I agree, it's a farce which is why my first inclination is simply high mark up because of name. The pricing certainly doesn't scream that any savings from MIM production is being passed on to the customer. |
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Originally Posted By Evintos: 2024 TRP is $1999 MSRP... ($1899 for the 2024 non railed version). Pricing wise (as well as general features such as ambi safety, getting strap checkering, etc.) it's structured to be a direct competitor to the Dan Wesson. I agree, it's a farce which is why my first inclination is simply high mark up because of name. The pricing certainly doesn't scream that any savings from MIM production is being passed on to the customer. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By Evintos: Originally Posted By Bradd_D: The MSRP for the Specialist is $1849 to $2279 per the Dan Wesson website. 2024 TRP is $1999 MSRP... ($1899 for the 2024 non railed version). Pricing wise (as well as general features such as ambi safety, getting strap checkering, etc.) it's structured to be a direct competitor to the Dan Wesson. Originally Posted By MMcCall: MIM as economical is a fucking farce when Tisas can drop all-steel Series 70 guns for $400. I agree, it's a farce which is why my first inclination is simply high mark up because of name. The pricing certainly doesn't scream that any savings from MIM production is being passed on to the customer. I wish them luck, for the Specialist is hard to beat (and I own both, the TRP being purchased in the first production year.) Attached File Attached File |
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"Whisky for the gentlemen that like it. And for the gentlemen that don't like it - Whisky!" -Alec Guinness as MAJ (acting Colonel) Jock Sinclair, D.S.O., M.M. "Tunes of Glory"
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Originally Posted By DirkericPitt: This, was excited, love the bobtail. Won't buy a pistol without a rds cut out now. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By DirkericPitt: Originally Posted By Fiyero: No idea why they’re not offering it with a RDS model. This, was excited, love the bobtail. Won't buy a pistol without a rds cut out now. I would subscribe to your newsletter. In 9mm |
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Like many have already said...... A bunch of MIM and Cast parts, 2 POS guide rod system that ya need a tool to take apart.......... Maybe a $1000.00 gun at BEST, NOT worth the $$$ they want..... Save a few hundred more duckets and get a Les Baer with all Steel Parts, especially the Ignition Parts.
Way to BLOW IT Springfield!!!! Would have liked to have seen some new models of their MASTER CLASS with Tool Steel parts and better fitment!!! |
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Originally Posted By MMcCall: MIM as economical is a fucking farce when Tisas can drop all-steel Series 70 guns for $400. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By MMcCall: Originally Posted By Evintos: Nothing against properly formed and heat treated MIM parts, but considering that MIM is supposed to be an "economical" way of mass producing dimensionally correct parts with minimal to no fitting/machining required, the MSRP certainly doesn't really reflect it. Either the mark up is just high because of the TRP moniker or they're lacking economies of scale because not very many people purchase single stack 1911s these days (compared to polymer 9's). For comparison at equivalent MSRP, Dan Wesson Specialist still uses tool steel fire control parts (afaik). MIM as economical is a fucking farce when Tisas can drop all-steel Series 70 guns for $400. When they pay workers less than $5k per year they can afford forged parts. |
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"If you cant do something smart, do something right"
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Man Id hate to say how much I spent on a springer pro after seeing the new TRP price
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"Somewhere in the midst of my coke-fueled orgy I decide life wasn't so bad after all."
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Really nice looking guns but they aren't worth anything close to what they are asking for. These should be 900-1000 dollar pistols.
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Seems strange after they seemed to have really hit it out of the park with the latest Operator for only a grand.
I dont understand what makes the new TRP worth twice the cost of the Operator |
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$1800ish for a TRP, that's gonna be a no from me dawg. Why not spend 200ish more and get the specialist, which is better in everyway except the warranty?
Unless the Specialist price has gone up more in the last couple of years. |
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If they eventually make the 4.25" in 9mm, I'll probly buy one.
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This is the Operator I wanted like 12 years ago. I never a was a fan of the adjustable rear sights, so I opted for the MC Operator instead.
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Nope. For that $$ DW is where it's at.
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Originally Posted By Dunderway: That's really mine main issue when you get into the price range of these or a Dan Wesson. You're getting really close to used Pro prices, even now. View Quote I wouldn't put the trp in the same sentence as a dw specialist. One has forged parts and nitride finish with excellent fit and assembly, the other has mim/cast with cerakote finish and can't fit an extractor or grip safety to save their live. I would rather have a specialist or valor over a les baer, too. |
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Originally Posted By Bklyn_Irish: I wish them luck, for the Specialist is hard to beat (and I own both, the TRP being purchased in the first production year.) https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/33069/dw5_jpg-3099366.JPG https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/33069/20200901_173435_jpg-3099367.JPG View Quote |
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Originally Posted By DH243: I wouldn't put the trp in the same sentence as a dw specialist. One has forged parts and nitride finish with excellent fit and assembly, the other has mim/cast with cerakote finish and can't fit an extractor or grip safety to save their live. I would rather have a specialist or valor over a les baer, too. View Quote DW is a better gun and value in most ways, but doesn't deserve the mythical reputation it gets IMO. They may have fixed these issues, but up until recently they could have laughable thumb safety fits, zero lower lug contact with the slide stop, finish issues, and galling issues on the untreated stainless models. Im really wanting a new Valor, but you really have to choose wisely in that $2kish price range. |
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Every TRP thread we compare Springer list price to DW street price.
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Originally Posted By Dunderway: That does not look like a first production year TRP unless it went back to SA for a very extensive refresh. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By Dunderway: Originally Posted By Bklyn_Irish: I wish them luck, for the Specialist is hard to beat (and I own both, the TRP being purchased in the first production year.) https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/33069/dw5_jpg-3099366.JPG https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/33069/20200901_173435_jpg-3099367.JPG There have been a few tweaks over the years, and more to come. |
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"Whisky for the gentlemen that like it. And for the gentlemen that don't like it - Whisky!" -Alec Guinness as MAJ (acting Colonel) Jock Sinclair, D.S.O., M.M. "Tunes of Glory"
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Originally Posted By MMcCall: MIM as economical is a fucking farce when Tisas can drop all-steel Series 70 guns for $400. View Quote All day.Every day. After buying a Prodigy it "forced" me to get back into working on 1911/2011's. Technically, that was already the plan just not until I retired. MIM might work in other guns but it has no place in a 1911/2011 platform. |
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Originally Posted By chase45: Lol ya thats what I think it was or maybe a touch cheaper I think my TRP was 1100 or so View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By chase45: Originally Posted By 03RN: No kidding. I wish I could have grabbed one for 2200 like 5 years ago Lol ya thats what I think it was or maybe a touch cheaper I think my TRP was 1100 or so Mine was around $1k in 2008. Can’t remember how much exactly. It was in the pro shop of our range. I tried it walked back out to the counter and handed over my CC. |
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Originally Posted By bad2006z71: Street price to street price, the DW kicks the shit out SA in 99.99% of everything even at a $500 difference in price. The only SA has that is better is the warranty. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By bad2006z71: Originally Posted By Stryfe: Every TRP thread we compare Springer list price to DW street price. The only SA has that is better is the warranty. When the TRP around a grand and a half and the DW is well over 2k it seemed a little silly to compare the two. Old TRP for $1.6k @ PSA But this new TRP selling for $2k when I can get a DW for less than that is wild Valor for just under $2k |
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I'll take 3 MAC JSOCs.
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