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Posted: 1/3/2021 7:19:32 PM EDT
[Last Edit: dryflash3]
I call this "using proper technique" as it applies to a powder measure.
PM, (powder measure) technique; Like all mechanical machines (reloading presses and PM's) you need to use the same force and speed for every handle movement/throw. Some PM's come with baffles, like a Dillon. They are part of a PM tune up if your PM didn't come with one. You can buy them or make your own, but I consider them essential. With extruded powder you "power thru" if the handle is resisting. It is cutting the powder kernel. As in don't stop, keep going. This doesn't happen with ball and flake powder. For a mechanical (volume) PM to drop consistent throws the powder in the PM must be "settled". (This is the whole secret) First note that this is for metal PM's as I have very little experience with plastic PM's. So the following applies to Dillon, Hornady, Redding, Lyman, and RCBS PM's. Start with pouring powder into PM to near the top of hopper. Note the powder level. Now tap the side of the hopper in the middle with your finger 4-5 times. Did you see the powder settle? Normally about a half inch of settle. That is why you can't put powder into PM and start throwing accurate charges until 30-40 charges have been dropped, as that is the point that the powder has finally settled. So settle it when you start with your finger. So drop a charge and weigh it. After you have made whatever adjustment to the PM to drop more/less powder you need to settle the powder again. Settle powder by throwing 3 charges in the pan (leave pan there so all 3 charges go into pan). Empty pan into hopper. Throw another charge and repeat; weigh, adjust PM, settle powder, and try again until powder charge is where you want it. So every time you make an adjustment on the PM, settle the powder. You will know when you "have good technique" when you can: Throw ball powder exact. Flake exact, but + or - .1 is pretty good with an untuned PM. The above with stock unturned PM's. When you tune your PM, you can throw extruded + or - .1 to .2 depending on the length and diameter of the kernels. Link to tuning PM thread. https://www.ar15.com/forums/armory/Tuning-a-Uniflow-powder-measure/42-380281/ Old thread photobucket ate some of the pics. After I have the PM to what I think is set, I throw 5 charges and weigh each one. If they are consistent, I start throwing charges. edit to add pics. edit to mention powder baffle, thank to the comments for pointing that out. |
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Global Warming Hoax Skeptic before it was cool
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I for one weigh every charge I throw. It takes longer but is worth the effort.
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I use ball powder if I can, it meters better. If I can’t do that I use short cut powder. My wife bought me a Lyman brass smith meter and man, it meters cfe223 and CFE blk perfectly for me. Benchmark is pretty good too but the CFE powders I hardly weigh anymore.
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Thanks OP.
I'll add that I like to throw 10 charges for small calibers, and 5 for larger (like -06 and 308), and average that weight. Seems to help keep me from chasing my tail so much. After setting the measure, I'll throw 3x10 charges confirming each one. After every 50 (tray full), I check the measure. Literally the one time I didn't do it, I had to pour 100 shells because the final check was way off. That was rather annoying, but God only knows how much ended up in those cases when I weighed 10 charges and the beam pegged out. Also, heeding your advice, I have started charging my cases by the tray, and visually verifying each one. On the 45s, I will deliberately throw a double *and keep it in my hand until dumped* as a visual reference. Anything that looks off gets dumped and rethrown. I usually have two or 3 trays on the bench, and check each one as they get charged. Before anyone gets a bullet, they all get checked again. |
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Excellent thread! Thank you
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Originally Posted By FritzTKatt: Thanks OP. I'll add that I like to throw 10 charges for small calibers, and 5 for larger (like -06 and 308), and average that weight. Seems to help keep me from chasing my tail so much. After setting the measure, I'll throw 3x10 charges confirming each one. After every 50 (tray full), I check the measure. Literally the one time I didn't do it, I had to pour 100 shells because the final check was way off. That was rather annoying, but God only knows how much ended up in those cases when I weighed 10 charges and the beam pegged out. Also, heeding your advice, I have started charging my cases by the tray, and visually verifying each one. On the 45s, I will deliberately throw a double *and keep it in my hand until dumped* as a visual reference. Anything that looks off gets dumped and rethrown. I usually have two or 3 trays on the bench, and check each one as they get charged. Before anyone gets a bullet, they all get checked again. View Quote Good technique. I will throw ten (small) powder charges and weigh them. This will magnify 10x in theory the unmeasurable amount after the first digit to the right of the decimal. Lets you tweak just a hair more to get your average on target. Probably has little effect on paper but makes me feel good. |
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Originally Posted By Traderjac: I for one weigh every charge I throw. It takes longer but is worth the effort. View Quote Ugh....... I own a Harrell's powder measure and a Redding BR-30 and try to be as consistent as possible when throwing charges. I develop loads that allow for variation in throw weight without harming accuracy on target. For 600 yards and further tournament ammo I will weigh charges, but anything shorter than that I consider a waste of time. |
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I use a powder baffle in my RCBS Uniflow, and I use it for ball and flake powders. For extruded powders, I have found the very inexpensive Lee Perfect Powder Measure does an excellent job (don't let it's "cheap" feel fool you!).
I also use a consistent movement of the charging mechanism and determine the average of 5 to 10 charges to determine the throw weight. |
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I also use a powder baffle in my Uniflow
Once I fill it with powder, I’ll throw and weigh 5-10 charges til I’m satisfied it’s dumping consistent charges. After that, I’ll check weight on the scale after every 15-20 charges thrown just to make sure nothing is off Consistency with how I handle the measure was key. For example when I throw a charge, I’ll make sure the handle stops with a solid *clack* at the bottom and then I’ll wait about a half second pause, then smoothly lift and make sure it seats with a *clack* again at the top so the powder drops back in the cylinder. |
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Thanks guys, I forgot to mention a baffle. Edited first post and added info.
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I use your same technique Dryflash....
Fill hopper 2/3 to 3/4 full... Firm taps/smacks on the side of the hopper to get it it settle.... eyeball it when it stops moving Dump 5 or so charges into a pan and dump pan back into hopper Start doing charge tuning Once set, I verify with 3 or 4 weighed charges... it if checks out, I start filling cases! If I am doing load workups, I'll weigh each charge. -ZA |
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I agree with the baffle and consistent lever throw. My bulk 300 ham’r loads which I weight every 10th or 20th load shoot sub moa so must not be too much of a variance.
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Thank you for sharing your wisdom.
Do you have any thoughts about vibration to assist in the optimal settling of powder in a hopper? I have started to use an $8.00 aquarium aerator taped to the outside of my RCBS and Dillon hopper--mostly when using stick powders like IMR 4895 or IMR 4064. LINK... I let it run for five minutes or so before I begin dropping powder. Thoughts? |
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Global Warming Hoax Skeptic before it was cool
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Originally Posted By Eight_Ring: Thank you for sharing your wisdom. Do you have any thoughts about vibration to assist in the optimal settling of powder in a hopper? I have started to use an $8.00 aquarium aerator taped to the outside of my RCBS and Dillon hopper--mostly when using stick powders like IMR 4895 or IMR 4064. LINK... I let it run for five minutes or so before I begin dropping powder. Thoughts? View Quote I seldom use extruded powders that measure poorly. I stick with the ones that meter good, like IMR 8208 XBR, Re-15, IMR 4227, ect. |
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Originally Posted By Eight_Ring: Thank you for sharing your wisdom. Do you have any thoughts about vibration to assist in the optimal settling of powder in a hopper? I have started to use an $8.00 aquarium aerator taped to the outside of my RCBS and Dillon hopper--mostly when using stick powders like IMR 4895 or IMR 4064. LINK... I let it run for five minutes or so before I begin dropping powder. Thoughts? View Quote I got a buddy that recommended that very thing when I told him I began loading Unique. |
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Originally Posted By borderpatrol: Ugh....... I own a Harrell's powder measure and a Redding BR-30 and try to be as consistent as possible when throwing charges. I develop loads that allow for variation in throw weight without harming accuracy on target. For 600 yards and further tournament ammo I will weigh charges, but anything shorter than that I consider a waste of time. View Quote Does your BR30 have a baffle in it? I bought one used and it didn't come with a baffle and I wondered if it was a necessity. |
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Originally Posted By Eight_Ring: Thank you for sharing your wisdom. Do you have any thoughts about vibration to assist in the optimal settling of powder in a hopper? I have started to use an $8.00 aquarium aerator taped to the outside of my RCBS and Dillon hopper--mostly when using stick powders like IMR 4895 or IMR 4064. LINK... I let it run for five minutes or so before I begin dropping powder. Thoughts? View Quote Old kids toys have yeilded lots of little vibratory DC motors. Perfect size for rubber banding on a measure with a 9v |
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Originally Posted By Traderjac: I for one weigh every charge I throw. It takes longer but is worth the effort. View Quote Are you using a digital scale? The variance of each weigh can throw your thrown charges. You could be measuring right but your scale will be .1gr off, so you add or reduce the charge thinking you are now spot on but in fact deleted .1gr or added .1gr to an originally perfect thrown charge. |
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@dryflash3
Does the wax on the PM keep the rust at bay? Assuming you have semi humid conditions like Houston. Thanks |
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Global Warming Hoax Skeptic before it was cool
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<removed> Way off topic for this forum. No idea why you thought this was a good idea?
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