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Posted: 5/6/2024 9:11:55 AM EDT
China’s first supercarrier, equipped with electromagnetic catapults and arrestor gear, will operate a new carrier air wing which includes the J-35. Fujian, hull number 18, is the third aircraft carrier of the People’s Liberation Army Navy, after Shandong and Liaoning, and the first equipped to perform CATOBAR (catapult-assisted takeoff but arrested landing) operations. It is also China’s first supercarrier, with a displacement of 80,000 tons, and the first fully indigenous design.
Naval News was able to deduce Fujian’s approximate dimensions from available imagery. Basic measurements for the hull are a length of approximately 316 metres, a beam across the flight deck of 72 metres average and 76 metres at the widest point. Hull beam at waterline level is around 39 metres. The carrier appears to be equipped with two aircraft elevators, three catapults and four arrestor wires. Specifically, Fujian is equipped with electromagnetic catapults, which are similar to the electromagnetic aircraft launch system (EMALS) being introduced by the U.S. Navy, according to Chinese media, allowing the carrier to launch heavier aircraft with larger payloads compared to previous Chinese carriers. The island, which houses the bridge, smokestack, AESA radar arrays, sensors and multiple antennas, is located between the two elevators. The propulsion system appears to be made of conventional steam turbines, similarly to previous Chinese carriers, although no details were released about this by Chinese media. Fujian apparently retained the same defensive system seen on Shandong and Liaoning, made of a combination of HQ-10 short-range surface-to-air missiles and 30 mm multi-barrel close-in weapon systems (CIWS). https://theaviationist.com/2024/05/05/fujian-begins-sea-trials/ . |
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AZ, USA
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Posted: 5/6/2024 9:14:22 AM EDT
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There will never be enough Chinese carriers in the world to stop the USN from going where it wants to go.
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Posted: 5/6/2024 9:15:07 AM EDT
[#2]
Mexican canal finished yet?
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Posted: 5/6/2024 9:28:08 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AZshooter71: There will never be enough Chinese carriers in the world to stop the USN from going where it wants to go. Preach. |
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Posted: 5/6/2024 9:31:08 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 9divdoc: Mexican canal finished yet?  |
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Posted: 5/6/2024 9:33:26 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AZshooter71: There will never be enough Chinese carriers in the world to stop the USN from going where it wants to go. And I predict that we will soon view navies similarly to how we now view tanks on the modern battle field. Drones and hypersonic missiles have changed everything. |
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VAT
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Posted: 5/6/2024 9:36:40 AM EDT
[#6]
EMALS with a conventional plant should be interesting.
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KY, USA
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Posted: 5/6/2024 9:39:35 AM EDT
[#7]
Why?
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Posted: 5/6/2024 9:50:46 AM EDT
[#8]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By MADMAXXX: You misspelled Nicaragun. Why the canal is not in Nicaragua |
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JPN
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Posted: 5/6/2024 9:55:42 AM EDT
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Not a fan of Peter but it is interesting.
 The State of Global Energy Webinar & The New Chinese Carriers || Peter Zeihan |
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Posted: 5/6/2024 9:58:36 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Canoeguy: And I predict that we will soon view navies similarly to how we now view tanks on the modern battle field. Drones and hypersonic missiles have changed everything. I'm surprised the Houthi's or some other motivated bad guy hasn't thrown a swarm of 50 drones at a DDG. I don't think CUAS is up to the task yet. |
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MO, USA
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Posted: 5/6/2024 10:01:16 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AZshooter71: There will never be enough Chinese carriers in the world to stop the USN from going where it wants to go. I wouldn’t take that bet. China churns out magnitudes more ships than the US these days and is matching our defense budget all while we fund them. |
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Posted: 5/6/2024 10:02:48 AM EDT
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...and the first fully indigenous design. Haha, bullshit. China hasn't ever made something of their own design. They literally steal everyone else's shit all the time. China is the trash panda of the world. |
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Posted: 5/6/2024 10:07:55 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AZshooter71: There will never be enough Chinese carriers in the world to stop the USN from going where it wants to go. True, but the hypersonic missiles will make things very complicated. |
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Posted: 5/6/2024 10:08:00 AM EDT
[Last Edit: Seven-Shooter]
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Given how terrible their after-sales support is of their cars (or literally anything else they make), I'm not too worried about their carrier.
They could sell them for export as turn-key carrier air wings, and it still would be permanently broken after a year. |
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Posted: 5/6/2024 10:13:56 AM EDT
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The carrier is being built to impress the Chinese population, as well as the third world errs that China wants to intimidate into joining its sphere of influence. It was never built to take the United States Navy, and China has no plans to do that. Not in their wildest dreams.
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Posted: 5/6/2024 10:20:49 AM EDT
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Carriers are only effective if you are skilled at flying off of and on to them. Might be a while while they learn that part.
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Posted: 5/6/2024 10:32:39 AM EDT
[#17]
Fuel oil carrier. Right. Starve it and it will be a very fun floating island.
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Posted: 5/6/2024 10:44:57 AM EDT
[#18]
No nuke.
Runs on gas and belches smoke/steam. Boooorrrriiinnnnggggg. |
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Posted: 5/6/2024 11:03:31 AM EDT
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Since our carriers are nukes, how do our destroyers get fueled?
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FL, USA
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Posted: 5/6/2024 11:15:33 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AZshooter71: There will never be enough Chinese carriers in the world to stop the USN from going where it wants to go. Short term, definitely. |
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UT, USA
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Posted: 5/6/2024 11:26:18 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Canoeguy: And I predict that we will soon view navies similarly to how we now view tanks on the modern battle field. Drones and hypersonic missiles have changed everything. Tanks and Navies most definitely still have a place. Russia and Ukraine seem to have no sense of combined arms, leaving their vehicles to be undefended targets. Our tech and tactics are a generation ahead of them. |
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UT, USA
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Posted: 5/6/2024 11:28:15 AM EDT
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At least they had the good sense to not try and make it nuclear powered. It is nowhere near as capable as our carriers and isn't meant to go for to toe with the US Navy. They are for regional intimidation
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Posted: 5/6/2024 11:29:56 AM EDT
[Last Edit: subcomunic8r]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By EDDIECRUM:
Since our carriers are nukes, how do our destroyers get fueled? ETA. CVNs unrep too. They need avgas/jet fuel. |
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Posted: 5/6/2024 11:33:19 AM EDT
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They train thousands of their pilots right here in America. Our small general aviation airport in North Phoenix has a school dedicated to one customer being the Chinese government.
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Posted: 5/6/2024 11:33:43 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 3one5: Haha, bullshit. China hasn't ever made something of their own design. They literally steal everyone else's shit all the time. China is the trash panda of the world.  They invented spaghetti, gunpowder, Civil Service bureaucracy ...... |
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Posted: 5/6/2024 11:57:33 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By subcomunic8r: https://th.bing.com/th/id/OIP.aCZrodZy4b_neWg-_8bqbAHaE6?w=298&h=198&c=7&r=0&o=5&dpr=1.3&pid=1.7 ETA. CVNs unrep too. They need avgas/jet fuel. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By subcomunic8r: Originally Posted By EDDIECRUM: Since our carriers are nukes, how do our destroyers get fueled? https://th.bing.com/th/id/OIP.aCZrodZy4b_neWg-_8bqbAHaE6?w=298&h=198&c=7&r=0&o=5&dpr=1.3&pid=1.7 ETA. CVNs unrep too. They need avgas/jet fuel. ........ or pull up the fuel barge in port............ and yes, before anyone asks, in foreign ports as well. |
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MT, USA
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Posted: 5/6/2024 11:59:10 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AZshooter71: There will never be enough Chinese carriers in the world to stop the USN from going where it wants to go. What if the USN just wants to go to the yearly DEI+LBQTWTF conference at the UN? |
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Posted: 5/6/2024 12:00:46 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By subcomunic8r: https://th.bing.com/th/id/OIP.aCZrodZy4b_neWg-_8bqbAHaE6?w=298&h=198&c=7&r=0&o=5&dpr=1.3&pid=1.7 ETA. CVNs unrep too. They need avgas/jet fuel. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By subcomunic8r: Originally Posted By EDDIECRUM: Since our carriers are nukes, how do our destroyers get fueled? https://th.bing.com/th/id/OIP.aCZrodZy4b_neWg-_8bqbAHaE6?w=298&h=198&c=7&r=0&o=5&dpr=1.3&pid=1.7 ETA. CVNs unrep too. They need avgas/jet fuel. Hulls don't mean shit. Logistics win wars, and is where the US absolutely curbstomps the rest of the world. |
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TX, USA
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Posted: 5/6/2024 12:00:52 PM EDT
[#29]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AZshooter71: There will never be enough Chinese carriers in the world to stop the USN from going where it wants to go. heard something similar to this from the British before. how did that work out for them? |
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Posted: 5/6/2024 12:02:26 PM EDT
[#30]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By subcomunic8r: https://th.bing.com/th/id/OIP.aCZrodZy4b_neWg-_8bqbAHaE6?w=298&h=198&c=7&r=0&o=5&dpr=1.3&pid=1.7 ETA. CVNs unrep too. They need avgas/jet fuel. |
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Posted: 5/6/2024 12:08:02 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 20229mm]
[#31]
Every time it pulls out of port, it will have a US sub behind it
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Posted: 5/6/2024 12:20:55 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 20229mm: Every time it pulls out of port, it will have a US sub behind it They will know it is there, but not exactly where it is. About the only way they could find it is if the sub served Taco Bell for dinner or one of their subs dumb luck crash into it. |
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Posted: 5/6/2024 12:25:46 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Kraquine: ........ or pull up the fuel barge in port............ and yes, before anyone asks, in foreign ports as well. |
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GA, USA
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Posted: 5/6/2024 12:31:19 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Seven-Shooter: Ding ding ding. Hulls don't mean shit. Logistics win wars, and is where the US absolutely curbstomps the rest of the world. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Seven-Shooter: Originally Posted By subcomunic8r: Originally Posted By EDDIECRUM: Since our carriers are nukes, how do our destroyers get fueled? https://th.bing.com/th/id/OIP.aCZrodZy4b_neWg-_8bqbAHaE6?w=298&h=198&c=7&r=0&o=5&dpr=1.3&pid=1.7 ETA. CVNs unrep too. They need avgas/jet fuel. Hulls don't mean shit. Logistics win wars, and is where the US absolutely curbstomps the rest of the world. thing is, a conflict with chyna will be done in chyna's area. their supply lines will be much shorter and our carriers and other ships will be reachable for chynese mainland missiles and drones. and anyway, the carrier is the battleship of wwII. the submarine will be the premier naval asset in a real world war in the future. surface ships will be floating targets of land based icbms and similar. a real world war will see all sides at least using tactical nukes. i doubt an aircraft carrier can survive a nuke strike. |
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Posted: 5/6/2024 12:37:46 PM EDT
[#35]
smokestack, lol
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USA
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Posted: 5/6/2024 12:43:54 PM EDT
[#36]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AZshooter71: There will never be enough Chinese carriers in the world to stop the USN from going where it wants to go. Lol you think their carriers have that goal? Our carrier groups will be hypersonic/ nuke missiled because they have plenty to spare |
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Posted: 5/6/2024 12:47:21 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By subcomunic8r: https://th.bing.com/th/id/OIP.aCZrodZy4b_neWg-_8bqbAHaE6?w=298&h=198&c=7&r=0&o=5&dpr=1.3&pid=1.7 ETA. CVNs unrep too. They need avgas/jet fuel. |
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Posted: 5/6/2024 12:50:50 PM EDT
[#38]
Is it nuclear?
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Posted: 5/6/2024 12:51:15 PM EDT
[#39]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AZshooter71: There will never be enough Chinese carriers in the world to stop the USN from going where it wants to go. Yes, our Maginot Line will hold. |
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MI, USA
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Posted: 5/6/2024 12:57:26 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Spade: EMALS with a conventional plant should be interesting. That definitely has to be a pretty limiting factor for the Carrier. |
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USA
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Posted: 5/6/2024 1:23:55 PM EDT
[#41]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AZshooter71: There will never be enough Chinese carriers in the world to stop the USN from going where it wants to go. but I am sure there will be enough missiles to overwhelm the fleets defenses and sink all of them. |
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Posted: 5/6/2024 1:24:54 PM EDT
[#42]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 3one5: Stinky Tofu Haha, bullshit. China hasn't ever made something of their own design. They literally steal everyone else's shit all the time. China is the trash panda of the world. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 3one5: ...and the first fully indigenous design. Haha, bullshit. China hasn't ever made something of their own design. They literally steal everyone else's shit all the time. China is the trash panda of the world. Hey, Peking duck, Schezwan combo, Kung Pao chicken and Stinky Tofu are all Chinese inventions. |
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Posted: 5/6/2024 1:31:09 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By TheDogSaysBark: heard something similar to this from the British before. how did that work out for them? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By TheDogSaysBark: Originally Posted By AZshooter71: There will never be enough Chinese carriers in the world to stop the USN from going where it wants to go. heard something similar to this from the British before. how did that work out for them? Well, Britan basically suicided their entire Nation. |
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USA
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Posted: 5/6/2024 1:32:40 PM EDT
[#44]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By TheRealBluedog: The carrier is being built to impress the Chinese population, as well as the third world errs that China wants to intimidate into joining its sphere of influence. It was never built to take the United States Navy, and China has no plans to do that. Not in their wildest dreams. This man is exactly correct. This new carrier is not nuclear powered like any one of the USN super carriers. Meaning it doesn't extend china's projection power. What it does do is replace their God awful previous 2 carriers that are ww2 era soviet tech that sucked balls, and tells their neighbors that they are the big kid on the block. |
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Posted: 5/6/2024 1:40:11 PM EDT
[#45]
I'm going to watch a documentary on the HMS hood now
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Posted: 5/6/2024 1:45:05 PM EDT
[#46]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 3one5: Haha, bullshit. China hasn't ever made something of their own design. They literally steal everyone else's shit all the time. China is the trash panda of the world. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 3one5: ...and the first fully indigenous design. Haha, bullshit. China hasn't ever made something of their own design. They literally steal everyone else's shit all the time. China is the trash panda of the world. yet you still use shit made in china. |
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Posted: 5/6/2024 2:07:56 PM EDT
[#47]
Be proud, America! That ship would not be what she is without your knowledge, expertise and help. Your stolen excellence makes her shine (and the support of the Biden admin and the DNC).
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Posted: 5/7/2024 12:18:44 PM EDT
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Impressive.
With this most recent achievement, fate has in a single stroke, marked the decline of the west and spelled a new era of wondrous prosperity and peaceful global dominance for the Chinese dragon, which promises to firmly stand in sharp contrast to the historically bloody ascent of western powers and the cruel subjugation it brought to the humbler nations of the world. With the blessings of Chinese quantum direct-current electricity, quantum aircraft carriers and quantum enhanced railguns will be the instruments with which China affirms its noble stewardship of 21st century world politics and offers the non-western world a different option; an humanist alternative to the depredations of Western leadership and the opportunity for a more equitable and dignified multilateralism. |
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Posted: 5/7/2024 12:24:44 PM EDT
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These are learning boats.
They are doing what we did a lot of in the interwar period. Trying stuff out to see what works. |
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Posted: 5/7/2024 12:43:43 PM EDT
[#50]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Canoeguy: And I predict that we will soon view navies similarly to how we now view tanks on the modern battle field. Drones and hypersonic missiles have changed everything. Small and electric and infinitely patient, these are going to be incredibly quiet and nearly impossible to detect. Being smaller they can operate in much shallower waters. Without human crews to support they're capable of lying in wait for very long periods. Without human crews and being a fraction of the cost of conventional subs even the big ones can be made semi-expendable and take risks that conventional subs wouldn't. I think the world's merchant shipping and conventional navies are in for a rough couple of decades. Lasers/auto cannon/interceptor drones may ultimately negate flying drones, but they're going to get slaughtered by underwater drones until there's a revolution in detection and counter measures. |
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