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TX, USA
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Posted: 5/18/2024 8:57:03 AM EDT
If you haven’t read the 4th Turning and the latest update, why not? It’s pretty hard to refute the cyclical nature of history. When you see it laid out in a data driven way and realize it’s not “what” happens that matter but “when” its amazing. Can anybody disagree we are headed into a major crisis that will fundamentally change our lives and reset the cycle?
In the latest book, Neil says there are 3 options for ending “winter/the 4th turning; 1) WWIII, 2) Financial collapse, 3) Civil war or a combination of any. When I look at the path we’re on, it makes all the details irrelevant and a waste of time…it’s time. |
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Posted: 5/18/2024 8:58:39 AM EDT
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Will be #2 and we will all be slaves.
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Posted: 5/18/2024 9:06:48 AM EDT
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Wait, you're saying that human hubris causes history to repeat itself? Inconceivable!
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TX, USA
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Posted: 5/18/2024 9:10:51 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Seven-Shooter: Wait, you're saying that human hubris causes history to repeat itself? Inconceivable! Not so much human hubris, but generation attitudes and moods. |
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Posted: 5/18/2024 9:11:16 AM EDT
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History repeats itself.
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Posted: 5/18/2024 9:51:09 AM EDT
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I have three cans of chili, a Ruger 10/22, and a life straw. . . I'm prepared for anything
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FL, USA
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Posted: 5/18/2024 10:05:04 AM EDT
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I can't wait.
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Posted: 5/18/2024 10:08:51 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By The_Master_Shake: I have three cans of chili, a Ruger 10/22, and a life straw. . . I'm prepared for anything Preach it Brother! |
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Posted: 5/18/2024 10:15:11 AM EDT
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We are no doubt doomed.
We'll enter another dark ages here soon, maybe by next Tuesday, Wednesday at the latest. |
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Posted: 5/18/2024 10:21:01 AM EDT
[Last Edit: The_Master_Shake]
[#9]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Paul: We are no doubt doomed. We'll enter another dark ages here soon, maybe by next Tuesday, Wednesday at the latest. 2 more weeks is what I'm hearing from my reliable inside anonymous sources. |
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MI, USA
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Posted: 5/18/2024 10:22:08 AM EDT
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 So this isn't normal? 
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Posted: 5/18/2024 10:22:41 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Paul: We are no doubt doomed. We'll enter another dark ages here soon, maybe by next Tuesday, Wednesday at the latest. Sounds like it is already in Texas. |
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TX, USA
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Posted: 5/18/2024 10:26:30 AM EDT
[Last Edit: WoolRug]
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A study of ancient empires show some consistencies: when a certain group of people gained equal rights the empires soon ceased to be.
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USA
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Posted: 5/18/2024 10:32:29 AM EDT
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Look at history....find we are greedy and power hungry evil creatures....predict history will repeat....buy my book....profit
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Posted: 5/18/2024 10:32:47 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By heavily_armed: https://i.postimg.cc/y81GxNrP/SP500-May2024.png So this isn't normal? It's a new bull market. Run bull, run! |
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Posted: 5/18/2024 10:36:26 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 1975: Will be #2 and we will all be slaves. |
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Posted: 5/18/2024 11:49:33 AM EDT
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the real problem is that history isn't hereditary. You have first person memory, memory as told to you by one who experienced it, where you can see the veracity in the face of the storyteller, and quaint third hand stories.
If you know anyone with first hand knowledge of wars or large scale disasters get their stories documented in a video interview. |
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CA, USA
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Posted: 5/18/2024 12:01:34 PM EDT
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If anyone is curious about "the details" here they are in a nutshell:
Fractional reserve banking, conjuring what they claim is 'money,' but that which is really debt (since there is nothing of inherent value backing it), from thin air, leveraging it up by many multitudes, getting a nation to endorse it as monopolistic fiat (and enforce the monopolistic recognition of it as such), is the problem. If 90% of loans go bad (or more), the fractional reserve bankers lose nothing. They created money from nothing and received the protection of the nation in distributing fiat monopoly currency. Not only do they lose nothing, they actually gain all real assets that were pledged as collateral to securitize most of the loans that went 'bad' - Harvest. Repeat this process of Harvest by first inflating the money supply, getting people deeply indebted (many of whom weren't indebted before), and soon enough, with enough cycles of harvest, what belonged to many will be concentrated in the hands of a few, all via the sham that is fractional reserve banking. It's the biggest scam in the history of mankind. Once a person grasps this basic concept, they'll understand why events have taken place as they have (Bretton Woods*; Plaza Accord; Federal Reserve Act of 1913; closing of the gold standard in 1971*, etc.), and they'll finally grasp how a select few have rigged the game to be able to harvest assets continually, and concentrate wealth and power, by doing nothing other than maintaining Deep Capture of a nation's legislative and judiciary branches (and executive, in the case of the U.S.) of government. *On August 15, 1971, the United States unilaterally terminated convertibility of the dollar to gold. As a result, "[t]he Bretton Woods system officially ended and the dollar became fully fiat currency, backed by nothing but the promise of the federal government." This action, referred to as the Nixon shock, created the situation in which the United States dollar became the sole backing of currencies and a reserve currency for the member states. At the same time, many fixed currencies also became free floating. |
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Posted: 5/18/2024 12:18:14 PM EDT
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I've looked into the theory. It doesn't add up as presented. It completely ignores World War One.
As for the financial system as it is a good book on the subject is The Finance Curse by Nicholas Shaxson. Concerning collapse in general. You should all be looking forward to it because the Darwinian pressures it creates will be the ONLY thing that will create the stock of utter Giga-Chads who will save the world from Globohomo. |
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Posted: 5/18/2024 12:24:28 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Hesperus: I've looked into the theory. It doesn't add up as presented. It completely ignores World War One. As for the financial system as it is a good book on the subject is The Finance Curse by Nicholas Shaxson. Concerning collapse in general. You should all be looking forward to it because the Darwinian pressures it creates will be the ONLY thing that will create the stock of utter Giga-Chads who will save the world from Globohomo. One thing that sort of throws a wrench into all time collapse is the majority of the world using floating currency and not the gold standard anymore. It really makes it so that everyone has to play nice to a certain extent. There is really no incentive anymore to make a giant ass empire in order to take resources. |
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Posted: 5/18/2024 12:34:36 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By midcap: One thing that sort of throws a wrench into all time collapse is the majority of the world using floating currency and not the gold standard anymore. It really makes it so that everyone has to play nice to a certain extent. There is really no incentive anymore to make a giant ass empire in order to take resources. Complicated subject to put it mildly. But as far as I'm concerned as long as we have power mad narcissists in positions of political power there will always be someone who wants to make giant ass empires. Even if their eyes are bigger than their stomach, to paraphrase Bismarck talking about the Italians.
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Posted: 5/18/2024 12:36:41 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Hesperus: Complicated subject to put it mildly. But as far as I'm concerned as long as we have power mad narcissists in positions of political power there will always be someone who wants to make giant ass empires. Even if their eyes are bigger than their stomach, to paraphrase Bismarck talking about the Italians. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Hesperus: Originally Posted By midcap: One thing that sort of throws a wrench into all time collapse is the majority of the world using floating currency and not the gold standard anymore. It really makes it so that everyone has to play nice to a certain extent. There is really no incentive anymore to make a giant ass empire in order to take resources. Complicated subject to put it mildly. But as far as I'm concerned as long as we have power mad narcissists in positions of political power there will always be someone who wants to make giant ass empires. Even if their eyes are bigger than their stomach, to paraphrase Bismarck talking about the Italians. that's 100% true. but look at the trouble Putin is having. He can't even take over Ukraine with his shitty military. If the itallians didn't take the whole month of August off, they could develop momentum. I also am not sure if I can identify as Itallian being 1/4 Sicilian.
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Posted: 5/18/2024 12:38:39 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By The_Master_Shake: I have three cans of chili, a Ruger 10/22, and a life straw. . . I'm prepared for anything If anything happens, I’m coming to your house.
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Posted: 5/18/2024 12:40:53 PM EDT
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Posted: 5/18/2024 12:42:06 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Hesperus]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By midcap: that's 100% true. but look at the trouble Putin is having. He can't even take over Ukraine with his shitty military. If the itallians didn't take the whole month of August off, they could develop momentum. I also am not sure if I can identify as Itallian being 1/4 Sicilian. I talk with my hands a lot. I'm pretty sure my lineage is mostly English with a bit of Swiss-German but I would not be shocked if there was some Italian in there. Stumbled upon this the other day which seems oddly relevant to this conversation.  Armored Attack - Many Wars Ago As for Putin, he is a textbook case of one of these power mad narcissists whoes ambitions exceed his grasp in my opinion. Building and maintaining an empire is no easy thing and you're going to need more than a relatively small force of poorly trained conscripts with Soviet era equipment to pull it off. |
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TN, USA
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Posted: 5/18/2024 4:18:55 PM EDT
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Sinful nature, it's a blight on humanity and there's only one resolution.
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Posted: 5/19/2024 6:29:56 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By The_Master_Shake: I have three cans of chili, a Ruger 10/22, and a life straw. . . I'm prepared for anything I hope you got the chili with beans. The protein is important in the apocalypse. |
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Posted: 5/19/2024 7:39:57 AM EDT
[Last Edit: HELOBRAVO]
[#27]
I read and pretty much believe The Fourth Turning theory.
The author does note a couple of exceptions as far as time line, due to major events, but it's a solid theory. The timeline put Millennials in the place of the Greatest Generation for this cycle. The Greatest Generation saved the day, so it looks like the millennials dropped the ball. Hindsight will tell.... Right now I'm reading The Storm Before the Calm. Basically along the same lines except the author makes the case that we will have political and economic change that starts to straighten things out around 2030. Also predicts it's gonna get worse before then. |
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FL, USA
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Posted: 5/19/2024 7:42:50 AM EDT
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Books are written by the writer to convey what the writer wants to convey. Pro tip; everything in writing is not fact. Really.
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Posted: 5/19/2024 8:10:14 AM EDT
[Last Edit: brass]
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Most predictions I've seen are as soon as 2025 and as late as 2038.
Too many fragile globally linked systems and policy structures means once one falls, it will cascade globally and we will all fall. likely a war to stave it off for the public eye, but a collapse in the near future is a near guarantee. The only question is severity or if an asteroid, climate bomb, or other major uncontrollable event comes along on top of the house of cards of supply chains. We really fucked ourselves by moving steel, big metal and copper wire factories, battery production, and silicon fab sites and more "environmental somewhere else" offshore. Covid showed how fragile we are economically and nothing has been done to shore that up as far as domestic production goes. The only difference between 2025 and 2038 is essentially an extra decade of surveillance police state trying to maintain order in a failing world. |
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Posted: 5/19/2024 8:16:19 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Hesperus: I've looked into the theory. It doesn't add up as presented. It completely ignores World War One. As for the financial system as it is a good book on the subject is The Finance Curse by Nicholas Shaxson. Concerning collapse in general. You should all be looking forward to it because the Darwinian pressures it creates will be the ONLY thing that will create the stock of utter Giga-Chads who will save the world from Globohomo. It's will also save us from sickitating fatness, but that hits too close for a great deal of our posters. Quit soda, go ruck, go lift. Like you life depends on it. |
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Posted: 5/19/2024 8:30:31 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By The_Master_Shake: I have three cans of chili, a Ruger 10/22, and a life straw. . . I'm prepared for anything The first day, no one will have full auto The second day, everyone will |
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Posted: 5/19/2024 8:34:15 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By wookie1562: That already happened Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By wookie1562: Originally Posted By 1975: Will be #2 and we will all be slaves. Agreed, look at the property tax thread. |
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Posted: 5/19/2024 8:36:47 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Hesperus: I've looked into the theory. It doesn't add up as presented. It completely ignores World War One. As for the financial system as it is a good book on the subject is The Finance Curse by Nicholas Shaxson. Concerning collapse in general. You should all be looking forward to it because the Darwinian pressures it creates will be the ONLY thing that will create the stock of utter Giga-Chads who will save the world from Globohomo. The String Pullers believe they will be protected from the starving rabble by security forces. We shall see how loyal those forces are. |
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Posted: 5/19/2024 8:36:55 AM EDT
[Last Edit: brass]
[#34]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By drew5337: It's will also save us from sickitating fatness, but that hits too close for a great deal of our posters. Quit soda, go ruck, go lift. Like you life depends on it. I think we are headed more toward Mad Max than Demolition Man The AI and desires to have a large AGI system run the world "fairly" and the number of idiots wanting to replace the .gov with AI is another branch of small possibility which will result in the same options of Mad Max or Demolition Man, leaning more toward the Mad Max type of living. I honestly think the people that actually run the world are hoping for a mass depopulation event (in addition to their current projects involving overweight and homosexuality lifestyles) to get back to a "manageable population" under 1 billion to restart with their one world government desires. |
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Posted: 5/19/2024 8:36:57 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Lone_Gringo: History repeats itself. Not really, but sometimes it rhymes. |
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Posted: 5/19/2024 8:42:35 AM EDT
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For those who don’t know the Fourth Turning.
 We Are In A "FOURTH TURNING," What Does That Mean? |
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Posted: 5/19/2024 8:50:34 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Silas: For those who don’t know the Fourth Turning.  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xeVyfiP0cLkOr we could take a peek at the history of Rome.... |
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Posted: 5/19/2024 8:57:28 AM EDT
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Are you saying i shouldn’t buy any green bananas?
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USA
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Posted: 5/19/2024 9:05:27 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 1975: Will be #2 and we will all be slaves. financial collapse -> central ban digital currency -> AI indistinguishable from AGI -> robots = welcome to the global plantation slaves, at least the 500,000,000 of you we let live. |
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Posted: 5/19/2024 9:56:10 AM EDT
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Is it time for our weekly Doomer thread, already?
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NC, USA
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Posted: 5/19/2024 10:12:01 AM EDT
[Last Edit: JimGriff]
[#41]
Good stuff, strong science, but I'm looking for opportunities instead of instructions.
Doing the same thing over and over while hoping for change is kinda dumb. |
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Posted: 5/19/2024 10:35:50 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By brass: I think we are headed more toward Mad Max than Demolition Man The AI and desires to have a large AGI system run the world "fairly" and the number of idiots wanting to replace the .gov with AI is another branch of small possibility which will result in the same options of Mad Max or Demolition Man, leaning more toward the Mad Max type of living. I honestly think the people that actually run the world are hoping for a mass depopulation event (in addition to their current projects involving overweight and homosexuality lifestyles) to get back to a "manageable population" under 1 billion to restart with their one world government desires. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By brass: Originally Posted By drew5337: It's will also save us from sickitating fatness, but that hits too close for a great deal of our posters. Quit soda, go ruck, go lift. Like you life depends on it. I think we are headed more toward Mad Max than Demolition Man The AI and desires to have a large AGI system run the world "fairly" and the number of idiots wanting to replace the .gov with AI is another branch of small possibility which will result in the same options of Mad Max or Demolition Man, leaning more toward the Mad Max type of living. I honestly think the people that actually run the world are hoping for a mass depopulation event (in addition to their current projects involving overweight and homosexuality lifestyles) to get back to a "manageable population" under 1 billion to restart with their one world government desires. so I should be looking for a pair of assless leather chaps? |
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Posted: 5/19/2024 10:41:08 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Seadra_tha_Guineapig: so I should be looking for a pair of assless leather chaps? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Seadra_tha_Guineapig: Originally Posted By brass: Originally Posted By drew5337: It's will also save us from sickitating fatness, but that hits too close for a great deal of our posters. Quit soda, go ruck, go lift. Like you life depends on it. I think we are headed more toward Mad Max than Demolition Man The AI and desires to have a large AGI system run the world "fairly" and the number of idiots wanting to replace the .gov with AI is another branch of small possibility which will result in the same options of Mad Max or Demolition Man, leaning more toward the Mad Max type of living. I honestly think the people that actually run the world are hoping for a mass depopulation event (in addition to their current projects involving overweight and homosexuality lifestyles) to get back to a "manageable population" under 1 billion to restart with their one world government desires. so I should be looking for a pair of assless leather chaps? Chaps covering the lower torso are called pants. |
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Posted: 5/19/2024 10:44:01 AM EDT
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If you believe in the cyclical turns of history, Ray Dalio's Changing World Order book is worth checking out.
Stage 1 is when a) the new order begins after a war, b) the new leadership consolidates power, c) debts are restructured or monetized so debt burdens are reduced, and d) wealth gaps and conflicts over them are reduced, which leads to… Stage 2, which is when there is a further consolidation of power and the building of resource allocation systems, which leads to… Stage 3, which is when there is peace and prosperity, which leads to… Stage 4, which is when there are great excesses in spending and debt and a widening of the wealth and political gaps, which leads to… Stage 5, which is when there are bad financial/economic crises and intense conflicts between comparably powerful parties within countries and between countries, which leads to… Stage 6, which is when there are wars, which leads to… Stage 1, Stage 2, etc. When a declining great power meets a rising great power, there's always conflict (according to Dalio). The issue that you'll run into with books like these is that, much like trend lines on a chart, you have to skip a lot of noise to curve fit to your conclusion. If you ever seen a computer try to draw a trend line in real time, it's impossible since it's working at the detail level and doesn't have hindsight bias. |
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Posted: 5/19/2024 10:55:26 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By highstepper: If anything happens, I’m coming to your house. Best bring your own chili
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VA, USA
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Posted: 5/19/2024 10:59:44 AM EDT
[#46]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By superjc: If anyone is curious about "the details" here they are in a nutshell: Fractional reserve banking, conjuring what they claim is 'money,' but that which is really debt (since there is nothing of inherent value backing it), from thin air, leveraging it up by many multitudes, getting a nation to endorse it as monopolistic fiat (and enforce the monopolistic recognition of it as such), is the problem. If 90% of loans go bad (or more), the fractional reserve bankers lose nothing. They created money from nothing and received the protection of the nation in distributing fiat monopoly currency. Not only do they lose nothing, they actually gain all real assets that were pledged as collateral to securitize most of the loans that went 'bad' - Harvest. Repeat this process of Harvest by first inflating the money supply, getting people deeply indebted (many of whom weren't indebted before), and soon enough, with enough cycles of harvest, what belonged to many will be concentrated in the hands of a few, all via the sham that is fractional reserve banking. It's the biggest scam in the history of mankind. Once a person grasps this basic concept, they'll understand why events have taken place as they have (Bretton Woods*; Plaza Accord; Federal Reserve Act of 1913; closing of the gold standard in 1971*, etc.), and they'll finally grasp how a select few have rigged the game to be able to harvest assets continually, and concentrate wealth and power, by doing nothing other than maintaining Deep Capture of a nation's legislative and judiciary branches (and executive, in the case of the U.S.) of government. *On August 15, 1971, the United States unilaterally terminated convertibility of the dollar to gold. As a result, "[t]he Bretton Woods system officially ended and the dollar became fully fiat currency, backed by nothing but the promise of the federal government." This action, referred to as the Nixon shock, created the situation in which the United States dollar became the sole backing of currencies and a reserve currency for the member states. At the same time, many fixed currencies also became free floating. Very interesting. I'm watching a lot of 70's nostalgia stuff on YT (thinking about doing my basement in MCM; Mad Men style) and ending the gold standard has never been mentioned. |
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TX, USA
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Posted: 5/20/2024 2:00:57 PM EDT
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Unpacking Ray Dalio's Alarmist Prediction Of Civil War
The other day, Ray Dalio, the billionaire investor and founder of Bridgewater Associates, told The Financial Times that he sees the risk of a second American civil war as “growing” and places the odds of such a war at “35-40 percent.” According to FT, Dalio’s “research” has led him to conclude that “we are now on the brink,” although we “don’t yet know if we will cross over into much more turbulent times.” https://www.zerohedge.com/political/unpacking-ray-dalios-alarmist-prediction-civil-war |
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Posted: 5/22/2024 7:45:06 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Paul: We are no doubt doomed. We'll enter another dark ages here soon, maybe by next Tuesday, Wednesday at the latest. Crap. I just saw this. Only a little over five hours left. Wish I had seen this earlier, as I would have used my time more wisely. |
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