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Posted: 5/7/2024 10:54:05 AM EDT
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Top official said it is the first time Russia has recruited such high-ranking “moles” inside Ukrainian security services.

KYIV ­— Ukraine’s security service said Tuesday it had foiled a plot to assassinate President Volodymyr Zelenskyy by undercover Ukrainian security officials who were working for Russia.

Two unnamed colonels from the Ukrainian State Security Department, the SBU — the main organization protecting top officials including Zelenskyy — were part of a group of covert agents helping Russia’s security service, the FSB, to plot the assassination, Kyiv said.

The colonels were arrested and Kyiv said the conspiracy included plans to also murder SBU chief Vasyl Malyuk and Military Intelligence boss Kyrylo Budanov.

Zelenskyy has previously said he has survived more than 10 assassination attempts. “But it is the first time such a high-ranking official of the state security department has become [the] enemy’s moles,” Artem Dehtiarenko, SBU spokesman, told POLITICO.

Russian President Vladimir Putin has been carrying out a full-scale invasion of Ukraine for more than two years. Since the start, Russian officials and security services have launched intelligence operations against Ukraine, aiming to delegitimize and overthrow Zelenskyy and his government, while sowing panic among Ukraine’s troops and population who are exhausted by the war.

Both colonels were detained by Ukraine’s security service. If found guilty in court, they face life in prison for plotting a terror attack and state treason.

“One of the tasks of the FSB intelligence network was to search for executors among the military close to the protection of the president, who could first take him hostage and later kill him,” the SBU press service said in a statement.

Besides Zelenskyy, a group of FSB agents including the defector colonels were planning to assassinate spymaster Budanov, Kyiv said.

In that operation, a covert agent in Ukraine was supposed to track Budanov’s movements and pass the information to Russian operatives from the FSB, it continued.

. . . . . More at the link below

https://www.politico.eu/article/volodymyr-zelenskyy-ukraine-russia-assassination-plot-arrest-ukrainian-state-security-department/

Link Posted: 5/7/2024 11:13:51 AM EDT
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I hope they are using some very intensive interrogation techniques on them.
Link Posted: 5/7/2024 11:15:19 AM EDT
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lol I feel like it would have been better to use them for intel gathering. Wasted potential.
Link Posted: 5/7/2024 11:19:12 AM EDT
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[Last Edit: osprey21] [#4]
Bye
Link Posted: 5/7/2024 11:23:15 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By walkinginadangerzone:
lol I feel like it would have been better to use them for intel gathering. Wasted potential.
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Yeah, kinda makes you wonder if this is just more Uke propaganda and the officers weren't acting to try to end the slaughter, like some of the attacks against Hitler.  Doubtful we'll ever get the truth but it makes for good headlines and it'll get the usual suspects around the globe wound up and lobbying for more money.  
Link Posted: 5/7/2024 11:26:22 AM EDT
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This just in: Ukraine is not an independent democracy but a client state of America which has pushed Ukraine into ever-deepening conflict with Russia

As with all great investigative journalism, Maté and Sperry draw on a wide range of documents and insider accounts to reveal facts the powers-that-be have tried to conceal. While President Biden and many other leaders from both parties cast Ukraine as a bastion of democracy and a beacon of freedom, Maté and Sperry reveal how a decade of anti-democratic interference by Biden and other U.S. officials has led that country to the brink of destruction while corrupting America’s domestic politics...Their reporting also reveals the tangled complexity of human affairs requires a healthy amount of cognitive dissonance. America’s support for Ukraine may be a necessary defense against Putin’s aggression. But it is also a recurrence of our long and now largely disavowed history of promoting regime change for seemingly noble reasons in far-flung corners of the world such as Guatemala, Iran, South Vietnam, Chile, and other places.
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Link Posted: 5/7/2024 11:28:02 AM EDT
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Easy Not Guilty for me.
Link Posted: 5/7/2024 11:31:35 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By Eat_Beef:
"First time"

I guess they forgot about the Generals who switched sides immediately after the Rooskies crossed the border.

At some point, it ceases being about the lie, and becomes about the insult to my intelligence...
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Like not knowing what "mole" means in this context?
Link Posted: 5/7/2024 11:44:58 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By GreyGhost:
I hope they are using some very intensive interrogation techniques on them.
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FPNI
Link Posted: 5/7/2024 11:47:14 AM EDT
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Patsies imo
Link Posted: 5/7/2024 11:55:10 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By Eat_Beef:



So there's a big difference between a Colonel thinking about killing the President and a General actually having the Army stand down during an invasion?
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Originally Posted By Eat_Beef:
Originally Posted By Bohr_Adam:


Like not knowing what "mole" means in this context?



So there's a big difference between a Colonel thinking about killing the President and a General actually having the Army stand down during an invasion?


Publicly switching sides is not being a mole. The bit you derped out about was about the first time anyone that senior had been caught working as a mole.

Sorry this is so complicated for you.
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Just two?

Pathetic.

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Surprised they only face life in prison as opposed to a firing squad during a time of war
Link Posted: 5/7/2024 12:07:42 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By sandboxmedic:


Yeah, kinda makes you wonder if this is just more Uke propaganda and the officers weren't acting to try to end the slaughter, like some of the attacks against Hitler.  Doubtful we'll ever get the truth but it makes for good headlines and it'll get the usual suspects around the globe wound up and lobbying for more money.  
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Originally Posted By walkinginadangerzone:
lol I feel like it would have been better to use them for intel gathering. Wasted potential.


Yeah, kinda makes you wonder if this is just more Uke propaganda and the officers weren't acting to try to end the slaughter, like some of the attacks against Hitler.  Doubtful we'll ever get the truth but it makes for good headlines and it'll get the usual suspects around the globe wound up and lobbying for more money.  


How would they end the slaughter without just surrendering to Russia?

Different then Hitler, Ukraine is the defender not the invader. They didn't chose this war it was forced on them.

Link Posted: 5/7/2024 12:07:48 PM EDT
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Assassination attempt = voiced objections
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Originally Posted By wyomingnick:


How would they end the slaughter without just surrendering to Russia?

Different then Hitler, Ukraine is the defender not the invader. They didn't chose this war it was forced on them.

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Originally Posted By wyomingnick:
Originally Posted By sandboxmedic:
Originally Posted By walkinginadangerzone:
lol I feel like it would have been better to use them for intel gathering. Wasted potential.


Yeah, kinda makes you wonder if this is just more Uke propaganda and the officers weren't acting to try to end the slaughter, like some of the attacks against Hitler.  Doubtful we'll ever get the truth but it makes for good headlines and it'll get the usual suspects around the globe wound up and lobbying for more money.  


How would they end the slaughter without just surrendering to Russia?

Different then Hitler, Ukraine is the defender not the invader. They didn't chose this war it was forced on them.



Nobody seems to give a shit about the invasion of our country so why should anyone give a shit about the invasion of their country?


Link Posted: 5/7/2024 12:23:34 PM EDT
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lol. So people trust Politico for news now?
The only person I've ever seen reference a Politico article is that Rachael Maddow dude.
Link Posted: 5/7/2024 12:26:57 PM EDT
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Looks like they are still winning lol.
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Originally Posted By The_Master_Shake:
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it won't be a long life
Link Posted: 5/7/2024 12:50:03 PM EDT
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They might just be telegraphing the coup d'état that will eventually take out the Z-man.  I'm sure he fears his own government more than the Russians.
Link Posted: 5/7/2024 12:54:30 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By wyomingnick:


How would they end the slaughter without just surrendering to Russia?

Different then Hitler, Ukraine is the defender not the invader. They didn't chose this war it was forced on them.

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Originally Posted By wyomingnick:
Originally Posted By sandboxmedic:
Originally Posted By walkinginadangerzone:
lol I feel like it would have been better to use them for intel gathering. Wasted potential.


Yeah, kinda makes you wonder if this is just more Uke propaganda and the officers weren't acting to try to end the slaughter, like some of the attacks against Hitler.  Doubtful we'll ever get the truth but it makes for good headlines and it'll get the usual suspects around the globe wound up and lobbying for more money.  


How would they end the slaughter without just surrendering to Russia?

Different then Hitler, Ukraine is the defender not the invader. They didn't chose this war it was forced on them.


Correct, Putin launched an unprovoked invasion.

Honestly, the CIA should just assassinate Putin and install a new president.
Link Posted: 5/7/2024 1:04:28 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Eat_Beef:
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A lot of Ukraine's propaganda is like that. "Russia bombed their own nord stream pipelines" is a prime example. I think the insult to intelligence is a power play, they want people to suspend disbelief and go along with the story rather than face a bunch of angry noises and name calling. Really similar to other post 2020 left wing causes. Just raise your fist and BLM will leave you alone, etc.
Link Posted: 5/7/2024 1:15:56 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By wyomingnick:


How would they end the slaughter without just surrendering to Russia?

Different then Hitler, Ukraine is the defender not the invader. They didn't chose this war it was forced on them.

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How would surrendering to Russia end the slaughter? You know there's a reason they've been fighting since 2014, right?
Link Posted: 5/7/2024 1:17:31 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By wyomingnick:


How would they end the slaughter without just surrendering to Russia?

Different then Hitler, Ukraine is the defender not the invader. They didn't chose this war it was forced on them.

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Originally Posted By wyomingnick:
Originally Posted By sandboxmedic:
Originally Posted By walkinginadangerzone:
lol I feel like it would have been better to use them for intel gathering. Wasted potential.


Yeah, kinda makes you wonder if this is just more Uke propaganda and the officers weren't acting to try to end the slaughter, like some of the attacks against Hitler.  Doubtful we'll ever get the truth but it makes for good headlines and it'll get the usual suspects around the globe wound up and lobbying for more money.  


How would they end the slaughter without just surrendering to Russia?

Different then Hitler, Ukraine is the defender not the invader. They didn't chose this war it was forced on them.



Unless other nations put boots on the ground Ukraine is going to end up ceding territory, even most of the people who were the most outspoken at the beginning of this mess are now admitting this.  Going to the negotiating table and ending this mess saves lives on both sides- that doesn't change the fact that both countries should have left the other alone (and yes, both sides, and a few others, had a hand in this despite the approved narrative); it's simply logistics, Russia has more people and material to continue throwing into this while Ukraine doesn't.  

Remove emotions from the equation and it is similar to Germany in WWII, the generals with experience saw that they could not win and that continued war was just going to further destroy Germany and kill off it's people.
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Originally Posted By 56xdx_Z:


A lot of Ukraine's propaganda is like that. "Russia bombed their own nord stream pipelines" is a prime example. I think the insult to intelligence is a power play, they want people to suspend disbelief and go along with the story rather than face a bunch of angry noises and name calling. Really similar to other post 2020 left wing causes. Just raise your fist and BLM will leave you alone, etc.
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I can remember a few oligarchs that got deaded, along with their entire families. Had something to do with the oil business, iirc.

Don't know who did Nordstream, just know I didn't.
Link Posted: 5/7/2024 1:24:15 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By eurotrash:
Honestly, the CIA should just assassinate Putin and install a new president.
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Putin already purged his government of anyone intelligent or ambitious enough to replace him.  His replacement would be a drunk old Soviet hardliner who is even quicker to smack the nuke everything button.
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