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OK, USA
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Posted: 4/15/2024 1:07:46 PM EDT
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President Trump won and we all know it.
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FL, USA
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Posted: 4/15/2024 1:20:15 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By GutWrench: How embarrassing this must be. Melania must have zero self respect. But I bet she is under contract and if she cashes out early, gets nothing. Meh, hillary sucked it up for a lot less, for a lot longer and involving a lot of women that make all of Trump's trash look like 11s. 
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Posted: 4/15/2024 1:23:24 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By PeepEater: I'm sure Trump's defense has to incorporate the fact that he doesn't do his own bookkeeping and probably hasn't seen a spreadsheet since he was in his 20s in college. As I understand he personally signed some of the checks to Cohen... and I believe there was a recording where they discussed the hush money payments... I am constantly amazed at trump's lack of prudence or restraint... but I'm not a fan. |
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Posted: 4/15/2024 1:26:19 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By FMJ3: Meh, hillary sucked it up for a lot less, for a lot longer and involving a lot of women that make all of Trump's trash look like 11s. Hilary was being groomed to be the first Madame President in return payment for "Standing By Her Man" in the whole Bill Clinton Bimbo Eruptions / & Monica Lewenski scandal & impeachment mess. And then she finally got her "turn" after Obama beat her in the 2008 Democratic Primary, only to get beat by ... Donald Trump.  She's as rotten a power craving bitch as ever was, but she's never going to get to be the President of the USA. |
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USA
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Posted: 4/15/2024 1:27:12 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AdLucem: As I understand he personally signed some of the checks to Cohen... and I believe there was a recording where they discussed the hush money payments... I am constantly amazed at trump's lack of prudence or restraint... but I'm not a fan. If true that's right up there with his "I could have declassified this stuff but I did not" statement. |
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Posted: 4/15/2024 1:28:11 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AdLucem: As I understand he personally signed some of the checks to Cohen... and I believe there was a recording where they discussed the hush money payments... I am constantly amazed at trump's lack of prudence or restraint... but I'm not a fan. What really matters is that Bragg is elevating it to felony alleging that the hush money payments and cover up were to hide a different felony. To my knowledge the prosecution has not disclosed what that second crime is. |
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USA
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Posted: 4/15/2024 1:28:29 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Ming_The_Merciless: Hilary was being groomed to be the first Madame President in return payment for "Standing By Her Man" in the whole Bill Clinton Bimbo Eruptions / & Monica Lewenski scandal & impeachment mess. And then she finally got her "turn" after Obama beat her in the 2008 Democratic Primary, only to get beat by ... Donald Trump. She's as rotten a power craving bitch as ever was, but she's never going to get to be the President of the USA. Barry Seal and all those other people got killed just for her to lose to a New York reality TV character. You know that had to burn her up. |
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USA
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Posted: 4/15/2024 1:29:04 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Dumak: What really matters is that Bragg is elevating it to felony alleging that the hush money payments and cover up were to hide a different felony. To my knowledge the prosecution has not disclosed what that second crime is. It's not one of the things Cohen already pled guilty to doing? |
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Posted: 4/15/2024 1:29:56 PM EDT
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Why is Trump on trial for “hush money” when people like Prince Andrew
have an “out of court settlement?” |
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Posted: 4/15/2024 1:31:06 PM EDT
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For those of us who can't grasp the relevance of this - how is an affair in 2006 illegal in 2016? This doesn't make a lot of sense. Did she blackmail him? What crime is he accuse of committing?
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USA
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Posted: 4/15/2024 1:34:19 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ZuoZongtang: Why is Trump on trial for “hush money” when people like Prince Andrew have an “out of court settlement?” Because Epstein was playing for the other team. You are watching a politically driven court battle involving someone that didn't understand the rules of the game getting punished by the rules committee. |
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MN, USA
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Posted: 4/15/2024 1:36:40 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Ming_The_Merciless: Hilary was being groomed to be the first Madame President in return payment for "Standing By Her Man" in the whole Bill Clinton Bimbo Eruptions / & Monica Lewenski scandal & impeachment mess. And then she finally got her "turn" after Obama beat her in the 2008 Democratic Primary, only to get beat by ... Donald Trump. She's as rotten a power craving bitch as ever was, but she's never going to get to be the President of the USA. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Ming_The_Merciless: Originally Posted By FMJ3: Meh, hillary sucked it up for a lot less, for a lot longer and involving a lot of women that make all of Trump's trash look like 11s. Hilary was being groomed to be the first Madame President in return payment for "Standing By Her Man" in the whole Bill Clinton Bimbo Eruptions / & Monica Lewenski scandal & impeachment mess. And then she finally got her "turn" after Obama beat her in the 2008 Democratic Primary, only to get beat by ... Donald Trump. She's as rotten a power craving bitch as ever was, but she's never going to get to be the President of the USA. She spent her life in politics, and then gets beat by 2 neophytes with much less experience. People don't remember that Bill Clinton was generally liked as a person, even if you didn't like his politics. Hillary was generally hated as a person, in public and private.  Norm Macdonald Shitting on Hillary Clinton |
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Posted: 4/15/2024 1:39:28 PM EDT
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I wonder if Stormy and Karen signed an NDA as a stipulation of their payment.
I would laugh hard if they violated said NDA, and under the terms of the agreement, had to give back the money. |
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Posted: 4/15/2024 1:39:29 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By QueenDeNile: For those of us who can't grasp the relevance of this - how is an affair in 2006 illegal in 2016? This doesn't make a lot of sense. Did she blackmail him? What crime is he accuse of committing? NY is accusing Trump of falsifying his business records to cover up hush money payments. Falsifying business records is a misdemeanor in NY and the statute of limitations expired. The only way around that for the prosecution is by elevating the charges to a felony to which the statute of limitations has not expired. DA Bragg is elevating the charges to a felony by alleging that falsifying business records was done to hide another crime, which I believe would also need to be a felony. |
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FL, USA
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Posted: 4/15/2024 1:42:24 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Ming_The_Merciless: Hilary was being groomed to be the first Madame President in return payment for "Standing By Her Man" in the whole Bill Clinton Bimbo Eruptions / & Monica Lewenski scandal & impeachment mess. And then she finally got her "turn" after Obama beat her in the 2008 Democratic Primary, only to get beat by ... Donald Trump. She's as rotten a power craving bitch as ever was, but she's never going to get to be the President of the USA. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Ming_The_Merciless: Originally Posted By FMJ3: Meh, hillary sucked it up for a lot less, for a lot longer and involving a lot of women that make all of Trump's trash look like 11s. Hilary was being groomed to be the first Madame President in return payment for "Standing By Her Man" in the whole Bill Clinton Bimbo Eruptions / & Monica Lewenski scandal & impeachment mess. And then she finally got her "turn" after Obama beat her in the 2008 Democratic Primary, only to get beat by ... Donald Trump. She's as rotten a power craving bitch as ever was, but she's never going to get to be the President of the USA. The poetic irony is almost incomprehensible. 
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USA
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Posted: 4/15/2024 1:43:22 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By midcap: For as much money and fame that Trump has, he sure likes some ugly ass bitches. Except for Melania...she's actually pretty What? Karen McDougal was smoking hot and back int he day Stormy was also pretty fine. |
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Posted: 4/15/2024 1:44:12 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Dumak:DA Bragg is elevating the charges to a felony by alleging that falsifying business records was done to hide another crime, which I believe would also need to be a felony. Would that be Election Interference? |
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NC, USA
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Posted: 4/15/2024 1:44:32 PM EDT
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This WHORE of Babylon is trying to tarnish Trumps (RISEN) name. She will fall like the rest. God will see us through to our emperors RISE!!!
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Posted: 4/15/2024 1:45:43 PM EDT
[Last Edit: GutWrench]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By FMJ3: Meh, hillary sucked it up for a lot less, for a lot longer and involving a lot of women that make all of Trump's trash look like 11s. True that. Hillary probably hadn’t gave bill any trim since they were in college. He had to outsource. |
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Posted: 4/15/2024 1:47:32 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By SGT_Tentpeg: Would that be Election Interference? I think so. I believe that would be a federal crime so, of course, it falls within the state’s jurisdiction. |
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Posted: 4/15/2024 1:50:48 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Dumak: Okay, and how does the Access Hollywood tape establish he had an affair with either woman? It doesn't. The Access Hollywood tape establishes that Trump believes he can grab em by the pussy because he is a billionaire. That would be useful in a sexual assault case. That is why I have the feeling that Stormy and McDougal are going to change their story at some point and claim that Trump sexually assaulted them in some manner and that the hush money payments were not to cover up an affair but done in exchange to not press charges. Since the statute of limitations expired on misdemeanor charges of falsifying business records, there has to be a secondary crime that would allow the DA to elevate this to a felony. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Dumak: Originally Posted By PeepEater: I think you have to bring up the affair to establish a motive to falsify records. Nobody falsifies records that they had ice cream or helped rescue a puppy so you have to establish a motive. Okay, and how does the Access Hollywood tape establish he had an affair with either woman? It doesn't. The Access Hollywood tape establishes that Trump believes he can grab em by the pussy because he is a billionaire. That would be useful in a sexual assault case. That is why I have the feeling that Stormy and McDougal are going to change their story at some point and claim that Trump sexually assaulted them in some manner and that the hush money payments were not to cover up an affair but done in exchange to not press charges. Since the statute of limitations expired on misdemeanor charges of falsifying business records, there has to be a secondary crime that would allow the DA to elevate this to a felony. Didn’t stormy write a letter to the court originally stating that at no time that she had a sexual relationship with trump? As well as the serial liar Cohen state in open court under oath that the payments to stormy were not related to a sexual relationship with stormy? So even if Bragg brought charges based on false testimony as well as a confession that nothing illegal happened how does this even stand up in a court of law. I would think if the state of New York wanted to go after trump it should of been on civil grounds instead of criminal since civil cases doesn’t require a unanimous decision and they could bleed him further financially vs. never putting him in jail like they did with the crazy cat lady defamation case. |
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USA
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Posted: 4/15/2024 1:53:56 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Dumak: Okay, and how does the Access Hollywood tape establish he had an affair with either woman? It doesn't. The Access Hollywood tape establishes that Trump believes he can grab em by the pussy because he is a billionaire. That would be useful in a sexual assault case. That is why I have the feeling that Stormy and McDougal are going to change their story at some point and claim that Trump sexually assaulted them in some manner and that the hush money payments were not to cover up an affair but done in exchange to not press charges. Since the statute of limitations expired on misdemeanor charges of falsifying business records, there has to be a secondary crime that would allow the DA to elevate this to a felony. Stop! That is not going to happen. |
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Posted: 4/15/2024 1:55:46 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Fullautoguy: Didn’t stormy write a letter to the court originally stating that at no time that she had a sexual relationship with trump? As well as the serial liar Cohen state in open court under oath that the payments to stormy were not related to a sexual relationship with stormy? So even if Bragg brought charges based on false testimony as well as a confession that nothing illegal happened how does this even stand up in a court of law. I would think if the state of New York wanted to go after trump it should of been on civil grounds instead of criminal since civil cases doesn’t require a unanimous decision and they could bleed him further financially vs. never putting him in jail like they did with the crazy cat lady defamation case. The video that Realwar linked on page 1 is worth watching. Dershowitz knows his shit. |
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Posted: 4/15/2024 1:57:37 PM EDT
[Last Edit: OldGlazier]
[#24]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By midcap: For as much money and fame that Trump has, he sure likes some ugly ass bitches. Except for Melania...she's actually pretty Huh? I see you've seen the light. |
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TX, USA
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Posted: 4/15/2024 1:58:44 PM EDT
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Trump, the first former US president to face a criminal trial, is accused of paying Daniels and McDougal to cover up alleged extramarital liaisons that could have damaged his candidacy in the 2016 election. |
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Posted: 4/15/2024 2:00:00 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AdLucem: As I understand he personally signed some of the checks to Cohen... and I believe there was a recording where they discussed the hush money payments... I am constantly amazed at trump's lack of prudence or restraint... but I'm not a fan. What is illegal about a lawyer and client discussing a legal settlement? |
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Posted: 4/15/2024 2:02:11 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By CTM1: Stop! That is not going to happen. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By CTM1: Stop! That is not going to happen. Because promiscuous women with an axe to grind have never changed their story from consensual to rape. I can't see any other reason for entering the Access Hollywood transcript into evidence: Oh look.. https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13309793/donald-trump-hush-money-trial-stormy-daniels-updates.html Prosecutor Joshua Steinglass said that it was ‘incendiary’ and that it was an ‘admission, or at the very least a description of sexual assault’. |
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Posted: 4/15/2024 2:03:13 PM EDT
[#28]
Let us discuss William Jefferson Clinton...
women $$$ etc...etc.. |
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NC, USA
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Posted: 4/15/2024 2:04:27 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Dumak: Because promiscuous women with an axe to grind have never changed their story from consensual to rape. I can't see any other reason for entering the Access Hollywood transcript into evidence: Oh look.. Whore women will do WHATEVER they can to throw themselves at POWERFUL, SEXUAL, YOUTHFUL men like Trump (RISEN). These whores will know their place in the ENDTIMES! |
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Posted: 4/15/2024 2:05:49 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By just-mike: I wonder if Stormy and Karen signed an NDA as a stipulation of their payment. I would laugh hard if they violated said NDA, and under the terms of the agreement, had to give back the money. They did. |
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Posted: 4/15/2024 2:07:14 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 6SJ7GT: What is illegal about a lawyer and client discussing a legal settlement? My understanding is that the NDA and settlement is not the problem. The alleged crime is that instead of it just being a personal check, it was hidden in his business expenses as legal fees. And those false business records were "with intent to defraud and intent to commit another crime and aid and conceal the commission thereof..." What that other crime is... I'm not exactly sure. |
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Posted: 4/15/2024 2:08:58 PM EDT
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It's all BS! It's as much about making sure nobody else ever dares to go against the ruling class again as much as it is about getting Trump.
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Posted: 4/15/2024 2:11:37 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By chodenut: I thought that he had paid them, was not in question. The alleged criminal acts are falsifying business records to hide it or something... And DOJ refused to prosecute saying he did nothing wrong. |
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Posted: 4/15/2024 2:12:37 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Low_Country: My understanding is that the NDA and settlement is not the problem. The alleged crime is that instead of it just being a personal check, it was hidden in his business expenses as legal fees. And those false business records were "with intent to defraud and intent to commit another crime and aid and conceal the commission thereof..." What that other crime is... I'm not exactly sure. This. |
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Posted: 4/15/2024 2:21:52 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By PeepEater: The whole thing here is political but my assumption is that the Access Hollywood stuff ("Grab 'em by the pussy") was unaired because of someone involved with Trump and there was a payoff or something to not air it. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By PeepEater: Originally Posted By Dumak: Okay, and how does the Access Hollywood tape establish he had an affair with either woman? It doesn't. The Access Hollywood tape establishes that Trump believes he can grab em by the pussy because he is a billionaire. That would be useful in a sexual assault case. That is why I have the feeling that Stormy and McDougal are going to change their story at some point and claim that Trump sexually assaulted them in some manner and that the hush money payments were not to cover up an affair but done in exchange to not press charges. Since the statute of limitations expired on misdemeanor charges of falsifying business records, there has to be a secondary crime that would allow the DA to elevate this to a felony. The whole thing here is political but my assumption is that the Access Hollywood stuff ("Grab 'em by the pussy") was unaired because of someone involved with Trump and there was a payoff or something to not air it. The "grab 'em by the pussy" comment was actually, "They let you grab 'em by the pussy". I've had girls let me grab 'em by the pussy. It wasn't sexual assault. It was consensual. There's nothing wrong with admitting a girl let you do that. And it was just locker room talk. Girls are a lot worse when they're together in a pack. Way worse. |
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Posted: 4/15/2024 2:23:50 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Dumak: What really matters is that Bragg is elevating it to felony alleging that the hush money payments and cover up were to hide a different felony. To my knowledge the prosecution has not disclosed what that second crime is. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Dumak: Originally Posted By AdLucem: As I understand he personally signed some of the checks to Cohen... and I believe there was a recording where they discussed the hush money payments... I am constantly amazed at trump's lack of prudence or restraint... but I'm not a fan. What really matters is that Bragg is elevating it to felony alleging that the hush money payments and cover up were to hide a different felony. To my knowledge the prosecution has not disclosed what that second crime is. Yep. He's just pulling a, "I'm not gonna tell you what felony he committed. But yeah, just trust me, he committed a felony. That's all you need to know". |
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Posted: 4/15/2024 2:26:10 PM EDT
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How is the statue of limitations not up? This was old news in what 2016?
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Posted: 4/15/2024 2:27:04 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By apexcrusade: I'm trying to imagine the multiple extra fap sessions the N_Ter's have going at the moment. Gross! |
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Posted: 4/15/2024 2:27:24 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By midcap: For as much money and fame that Trump has, he sure likes some ugly ass bitches. Except for Melania...she's actually pretty I will take Ivanka 
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Posted: 4/15/2024 2:29:21 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Dumak: What really matters is that Bragg is elevating it to felony alleging that the hush money payments and cover up were to hide a different felony. To my knowledge the prosecution has not disclosed what that second crime is. I didn't know that... to be fair I have not followed it too closely, as its not very interesting legally... it is the most salacious |
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Posted: 4/15/2024 2:30:47 PM EDT
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What’s the penalty range for the crime which he is accused of committing?
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MS, USA
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Posted: 4/15/2024 2:30:52 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By midcap: For as much money and fame that Trump has, he sure likes some ugly ass bitches. Except for Melania...she's actually pretty So you actually believe that crazy woman who says Trump (and Les Moonvies and six other guys) raped her? The one who says rape is a fantasy? I guess that's why you vote Democrat. |
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Posted: 4/15/2024 2:32:19 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By SnowboundinNH: The "grab 'em by the pussy" comment was actually, "They let you grab 'em by the pussy". I've had girls let me grab 'em by the pussy. It wasn't sexual assault. It was consensual. There's nothing wrong with admitting a girl let you do that. And it was just locker room talk. Girls are a lot worse when they're together in a pack. Way worse. Either way the release was suppressed. Why I don't know but it ties into this on some level. |
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Posted: 4/15/2024 2:34:22 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By midcap: He should have just issued them a 1099 for services rendered and called it a day  Wizard. |
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Posted: 4/15/2024 2:38:28 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By OldGlazier: Huh? https://imgs.search.brave.com/4f7UBFMKmAOMa8AXtCjR6hJ04km6x6Oxp-ui0BciRro/rs:fit:860:0:0/g:ce/aHR0cHM6Ly9tZWRp/YS5nZXR0eWltYWdl/cy5jb20vaWQvODM2/NjEwNTgvcGhvdG8v/a2FyZW4tbWNkb3Vn/YWwuanBnP3M9NjEy/eDYxMiZ3PTAmaz0y/MCZjPW8yRDI2VVlE/ZnR3VlRzTXlpeWdD/Snd4aDIwRXppM1kx/NnhVM3IwNnlxSlU9 
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Posted: 4/15/2024 2:39:42 PM EDT
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"Your Honor, they are some big titties. very big. Yuugggeee if we are being honest here. It was my duty as an American to see these titties as if they were Melania's."
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Posted: 4/15/2024 2:42:26 PM EDT
[Last Edit: AdLucem]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ZuoZongtang: Why is Trump on trial for “hush money” when people like Prince Andrew have an “out of court settlement?” It was not illegal to make a hush money deal with Daniels to ensure that she didn’t talk about it leading up to the 2016 election. However, it was illegal to: Not declare it as a campaign cost and thus a campaign contribution and then to falsify repaying his lawyer for the payment to the porn star and reporting it as a consulting expense. It was stupid and needlessly risky... Martha Stewart did not go to jail for her actions, she went to jail for lying to the FBI. |
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Posted: 4/15/2024 2:50:00 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 6SJ7GT: What is illegal about a lawyer and client discussing a legal settlement? Nothing, if that were all they were discussing... but if they were planning unlawful conduct and how to then conceal their unlawful conduct they acted criminally and waived any privilege under a crime/fraud exception. |
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Posted: 4/15/2024 2:54:51 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ricko1: It's all BS! It's as much about making sure nobody else ever dares to go against the ruling class again as much as it is about getting Trump. Newsflash... trump is the ruling class and the ruling class are targeted all the time.... they just have the money and resources to defend themselves. |
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Posted: 4/15/2024 2:55:00 PM EDT
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So......are all the Senators and Reps who paid hush money using tax dollars gonna be charged as well?
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