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Posted: 5/6/2024 8:17:56 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Square66: It’s amazing the lengths people will go to in order to justify why handicapping a new car with a manual transmission is somehow a good idea. It's fucking retarded but this is GD. |
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Posted: 5/6/2024 8:24:43 AM EDT
[#2]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Square66: It’s amazing the lengths people will go to in order to justify why handicapping a new car with a manual transmission is somehow a good idea. Especially in modern cars that already have a gigantic pile of computerized systems. It's like building a kick-ass gaming computer and then hooking up a PS2 trackball from 1994. It's silly and makes the experience objectively worse. Still, it only affects them, so have at, I guess. Manuals in older analog cars? Yeah, that I can get behind. We won't get into the discussion of how emissions regs have made a lot of modern manuals awful. |
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Posted: 5/6/2024 8:27:34 AM EDT
[Last Edit: Star_Scream]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By JamiesGotAGun: I'm a manual guy through and through. There isn't a human on earth that can shift as fast as these autos. I'm seriously impressed. I recently drove an Audi A7 on an amazing road full of curves, climbs and downhills. When I would downshift it already had, when I'd up shift it'd maximize the powerband and shift at a better time. I left it in auto after a while and just enjoyed the car knowing more than I do. That and Quattro made for an amazing ride |
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Posted: 5/6/2024 8:27:34 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By WesleyHardin: And I don't think you will ever understand. I get it. A clutch and stick shift makes a slow car fun. I miss my 150k mile Volkswagen Jetta because it was kinda fun. It was a complete shitbox, but I could drive it in a fun aggressive manner in higher RPM ranges. The third pedal and slow ass shifting is just annoying in a fast car. People who complain about paddle shifting are also likely to complain about turbochargers. |
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Posted: 5/6/2024 8:28:26 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Off-the-Grid: It's fucking retarded but this is GD. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Off-the-Grid: Originally Posted By Square66: It's amazing the lengths people will go to in order to justify why handicapping a new car with a manual transmission is somehow a good idea. It's fucking retarded but this is GD. It's fucking hysterical.  |
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Posted: 5/6/2024 8:33:43 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By MilHouse-556: Aren't they RPM limited until the 500 mile break in? Yep, and torque limited. |
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Posted: 5/6/2024 8:35:16 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 2JokersWild: Is the interior plastic fantastic or have they upscaled it to be more than an expensive rocketsled? Depends on trim level. 3LT (3LZ for Zo6) is suede leather and very nice. I have a 3LT Stingray. |
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Posted: 5/6/2024 8:36:43 AM EDT
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1/4-mile time?
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Posted: 5/6/2024 8:37:03 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Silas: No manual, no thanks. Dual clutch transmission. All the advantages of a manual just no 3rd pedal and shifter. F1 style paddle shifters if that's your jam. |
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Posted: 5/6/2024 8:42:49 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By CTM1: Lighting fast shifts maybe cool but you are never going to be able to take a supercar anywhere near its limits on the street...... You're not taking a modern supercar anywhere near its limits on the street no matter what transmission it has in it. |
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Posted: 5/6/2024 8:45:27 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Orion10182011: Dual clutch transmission. All the advantages of a manual just no 3rd pedal and shifter. F1 style paddle shifters if that's your jam. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Orion10182011: Originally Posted By Silas: No manual, no thanks. Dual clutch transmission. All the advantages of a manual just no 3rd pedal and shifter. F1 style paddle shifters if that's your jam. I have a 2022 WRX. One of the reasons I bought it was to teach my kids how to drive a manual. My 16 year old daughter drives it hard and loves rowing gears. Compared to her Corolla, she talks about how fast the WRX is. Then I took her for a ride in my dad’s C8 out on a desolate country road. Her perspective of speed changed that day. However her comment as we got out was, “Too bad it’s not a manual.” I’ve created a monster. |
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OK, USA
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Posted: 5/6/2024 8:49:06 AM EDT
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The other thing about a manual is it's a great theft device for millenials.
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Posted: 5/6/2024 8:52:52 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By raffi383: My daughter got to drive one a couple weeks ago. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/67686/IMG_9544_jpg-3206636.JPG |
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NC, USA
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Posted: 5/6/2024 9:15:38 AM EDT
[Last Edit: Captain92]
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I have a friend that's a collector....he has two of those motherfuckers....one he had built even more...suspension etc....he will keep them a while....then flip for profit or trade to guys in his circle for other stuff. One vet came from some dealer in GA, the other I think Miami. He was on a wait list for a while.
He has some goddamn nasty bad ass built cars/vets, vipers, mustangs..its nuts. |
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Posted: 5/6/2024 9:18:52 AM EDT
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It's the first corvette I'd actually own
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Posted: 5/6/2024 9:21:10 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By sandblaster: 1/4-mile time? |
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Posted: 5/6/2024 9:22:56 AM EDT
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The C8 Corvettes are amazing cars. I've had a number of Vettes over the years (along with a bunch of other performance cars and hot rods) and the C8 is a revelation. I haven't had it on track yet (it's the wife's car after all) but I have autocrossed it and had it on many mountain roads in north Georgia and the Dragon in Tennessee. Ours is a Z51 car and has grip everywhere, good power, strong brakes. And the dual clutch trans has very quick shifts in sport mode and is fun to play with on a mountain road. Then you put it in Tour mode and it's like driving a Caddy.
The "trouble" with the car is that when you try to push it a bit to explore the limits of the car you're running way to fast for public roads. It really needs to be on track to fully enjoy it. And this is just a Z51 Stingray. I can only imagine how great another 170 horsepower feels in that chassis! |
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AZ, USA
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Posted: 5/6/2024 9:45:47 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By JLAudio: They look good but $150k for a Corvette is wayyy to much money. The depreciation on that versus like a Porsche is akin to lighting money on fire. starts at $68k and tops out at $105k... for the price it's good value...don't know where u get ur $150k.... |
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Posted: 5/6/2024 9:57:11 AM EDT
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I got one back in October. Absolutely love it. I don’t even care if another car out there is faster in some way, the experience this car provides is just insane. It’s like they engineered emotion into the car.
Now that some options that were difficult to get are more readily available I may trade in my 2024 for a 2025. We shall see. Just hated having to compromise on my 2024 order. |
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Posted: 5/6/2024 10:02:22 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Anastasios: That's where you're wrong, kiddo. I had the pleasure of riding in a Viper  . Would I pick it over a C8? No, but if I could have both, I would.I picked a ZL1 over a C8, and I own a Viper. Tastes vary for a reason and I love my Viper. Would consider a Z06 C8 to replace the ZL1. Regardless the Viper stays with me. |
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Posted: 5/6/2024 10:04:21 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By dskeet: I got one back in October. Absolutely love it. I don’t even care if another car out there is faster in some way, the experience this car provides is just insane. It’s like they engineered emotion into the car. Now that some options that were difficult to get are more readily available I may trade in my 2024 for a 2025. We shall see. Just hated having to compromise on my 2024 order. You sir, are a very lucky man. That car has been tested here in Japan and the engineers at Toyota and Honda were blown away, this is coming from a friend who works at one of those companies. It's so good, they had to design new calibration equipment and test procedures because what they were using couldn't keep up. Rumors have it when Nissan ever makes a new GTR (not the rehash of the current old version), the Z06 is the benchmark. |
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MO, USA
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Posted: 5/6/2024 10:11:18 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By nomad07: starts at $68k and tops out at $105k... for the price it's good value...don't know where u get ur $150k.... The Z06, which this thread is about, starts at $112,000. It’s very easy to option it up to $150,000. |
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Posted: 5/6/2024 10:12:57 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By nomad07: starts at $68k and tops out at $105k... for the price it's good value...don't know where u get ur $150k.... Z06 with 670hp. $68 to $105 is for the Stingray. |
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Posted: 5/6/2024 10:13:04 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Anastasios: I have no idea why someone would want a third pedal in a modern supercar/hypercar. It better be as close as possible to F1 specced if I'm paying that kind of money. Because they still live on n the 70’s. |
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ID, USA
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Posted: 5/6/2024 10:34:40 AM EDT
[Last Edit: NIevo]
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ID, USA
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Posted: 5/6/2024 10:38:03 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Nick_Adams: Ah meh, blah. …. I like the lines but the cost/rwhp ratio is outta whack. At one time you could get an 800+HP Demon Challenger for $85K. Ride-wise, the Demon would be much more comfortable than the Z06, due it to being much heavier at 4400+lbs (like Hellcats). Plus that weight also makes it more controllable at the really high “stock car” speeds these cars are capable of. 
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Posted: 5/6/2024 10:38:09 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By dirtytim: The Z06, which this thread is about, starts at $112,000. It's very easy to option it up to $150,000. |
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WI, USA
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Posted: 5/6/2024 10:41:19 AM EDT
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Was at Road America last weekend and saw quite a few people tracking these. Actually a respectable track car.
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Posted: 5/6/2024 10:59:18 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Anastasios: Your definition of a "real drivers car" needs reevaluating. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/369185/Screenshot_2024-05-05_9_49_24_PM-3206687.png For sure  Attached File |
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Posted: 5/6/2024 11:29:11 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By victorgonzales: I consider it the first real American production supercar. It's badass. Vector W8… although they only made 19 of them so that may not count as a production run. |
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TX, USA
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Posted: 5/6/2024 11:35:52 AM EDT
[#31]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Nick_Adams: Ah meh, blah. …. I like the lines but the cost/rwhp ratio is outta whack. At one time you could get an 800+HP Demon Challenger for $85K. Ride-wise, the Demon would be much more comfortable than the Z06, due it to being much heavier at 4400+lbs (like Hellcats). Plus that weight also makes it more controllable at the really high “stock car” speeds these cars are capable of. You have got to be shitting me. |
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Posted: 5/6/2024 12:37:03 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By JLAudio: They look good but $150k for a Corvette is wayyy to much money. The depreciation on that versus like a Porsche is akin to lighting money on fire. Nail on the head. |
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TX, USA
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Posted: 5/6/2024 12:51:36 PM EDT
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Put me in the camp that thinks they should have a manual option. I knew they wouldn't though, starting with the 458 even Ferrari gave up on them and their mid engine V8s are what this is going after.
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Posted: 5/6/2024 12:54:17 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Shooter66: You have got to be shitting me. You haven't heard about the new 10,000lb F1car? |
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TX, USA
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Posted: 5/6/2024 12:54:19 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Veprk762: It has manual mode. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Veprk762: Originally Posted By Silas: No manual, no thanks. It has manual mode. That's not what a manual is. |
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Posted: 5/6/2024 1:12:40 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Engineer5: You're not taking a modern supercar anywhere near its limits on the street no matter what transmission it has in it. Yeah that is what I said so why not have fun with it via a manual. |
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Posted: 5/6/2024 1:26:33 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By pug826: Vector W8… although they only made 19 of them so that may not count as a production run. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By pug826: Originally Posted By victorgonzales: I consider it the first real American production supercar. It's badass. Vector W8… although they only made 19 of them so that may not count as a production run. There was also the Saleen S7 twin turbo with 750 hp.  Attached File |
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TX, USA
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Posted: 5/6/2024 1:31:50 PM EDT
[#38]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Beretta_Jerry: Paddles are not the same as a third pedal and a stick. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Beretta_Jerry: Originally Posted By Veprk762: Originally Posted By Silas: No manual, no thanks. It has manual mode. Paddles are not the same as a third pedal and a stick. Correct, paddle is better, in every way. |
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Posted: 5/6/2024 1:32:36 PM EDT
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I've never driven or been in one, but the specs are truly amazing. I'm not in love with the way it looks, but I wasn't going to buy one either way. I'm not a sports car guy.
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Wobblin-Goblin: There is no question modern automatic transmissions are better in virtually every single vehicle made (not just supercars), but sometimes it's more about the experience than it is about pure bleeding edge performance. While I'd never even consider a manual in a new pickup (or any other truck for that matter) even if they were offered, I also would never consider an auto in a vehicle I'd buy just for fun, like this one I bought last fall: Yeah - everyone wants to tell me that their car, or their favorite car, is faster than my old Mustang. I tell them that's fine, and I proceed to enjoy what I have. It was never in my plan (or budget) to build the fastest car in the world, or even in the county - I just like the style and the driving experience, which involves 3 pedals. |
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Posted: 5/6/2024 1:35:45 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Hyperformer: You’re right, it’s slower. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Hyperformer: Originally Posted By Beretta_Jerry: Originally Posted By Veprk762: Originally Posted By Silas: No manual, no thanks. It has manual mode. Paddles are not the same as a third pedal and a stick. You’re right, it’s slower. 10 speed auto Mustang GT are quicker than the 6spd manuals too 
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Posted: 5/6/2024 1:37:19 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By JLAudio: They look good but $150k for a Corvette is wayyy to much money. The depreciation on that versus like a Porsche is akin to lighting money on fire. Can you please point me to a highly depreciated C8? |
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Posted: 5/6/2024 1:37:50 PM EDT
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Posted: 5/6/2024 1:41:30 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By MVolkJ: Especially in modern cars that already have a gigantic pile of computerized systems. It's like building a kick-ass gaming computer and then hooking up a PS2 trackball from 1994. It's silly and makes the experience objectively worse. Still, it only affects them, so have at, I guess. Manuals in older analog cars? Yeah, that I can get behind. We won't get into the discussion of how emissions regs have made a lot of modern manuals awful. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By MVolkJ: Originally Posted By Square66: It’s amazing the lengths people will go to in order to justify why handicapping a new car with a manual transmission is somehow a good idea. Especially in modern cars that already have a gigantic pile of computerized systems. It's like building a kick-ass gaming computer and then hooking up a PS2 trackball from 1994. It's silly and makes the experience objectively worse. Still, it only affects them, so have at, I guess. Manuals in older analog cars? Yeah, that I can get behind. We won't get into the discussion of how emissions regs have made a lot of modern manuals awful. Rev hang is a thing too now a day |
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Posted: 5/6/2024 1:43:06 PM EDT
[Last Edit: gearjammer351]
[#44]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 917-30: There was also the Saleen S7 twin turbo with 750 hp. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/440308/1000035706_jpg-3207008.JPG Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 917-30: Originally Posted By pug826: Originally Posted By victorgonzales: I consider it the first real American production supercar. It's badass. Vector W8… although they only made 19 of them so that may not count as a production run. There was also the Saleen S7 twin turbo with 750 hp. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/440308/1000035706_jpg-3207008.JPG That's where the issue lies: you have to define "supercar" and "production." Ford made road-going GT40s in the 60s that someone could consider, but there were so few that hardly anyone would consider it a production car. Same for things like the L-87/L-88 Corvettes of the era. I can't say definitively which was the *first* one, but I believe it happened before 2023. While not on the level that these new cars are, this was definitely a supercar in 2005:  Attached File |
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Posted: 5/6/2024 1:48:53 PM EDT
[#45]
I'm in the crowd of no longer pining for old traditional manual transmissions. After having been blessed to experience some truly outstanding super responsive autos with paddles, I can only imagine how much rowing would take away from the driving experience in modern, dynamic ICE vehicles.
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OK, USA
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Posted: 5/6/2024 2:25:26 PM EDT
[#46]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By masterofpew: 10 speed auto Mustang GT are quicker than the 6spd manuals too And I'll still choose the manual 10 out of 10 times. |
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Posted: 5/6/2024 2:32:38 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Requiem]
[#47]
Originally Posted By JamiesGotAGun: https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/407952/1000002555_jpg-3206520.JPG Originally Posted By JamiesGotAGun: Originally Posted By dpmsguy: Was that first picture taken in Maple Lake? Unknown. Was in/near Buffalo. I'm not familiar with the area overall. https://maps.app.goo.gl/WBpjjwNKPmaMoPwJ6 |
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OH, USA
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Posted: 5/6/2024 2:35:36 PM EDT
[#48]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Silas: No manual, no thanks. I have not ridden / driven a C8 ZO6 but have a C7 ZO6, it had an auto transmission. That thing revved up so damn fast I'd have a hard time believing anyone could keep up with a clutch / stick shifting it manually, not kidding. I am also a dyed in the wool "if it's a sports car it needs a manual" guy but the newer drivetrains are literally different animals, not to mention modern PDK / Dual Clutch transmissions are light years ahead of a turbo 350 from decades back. |
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Posted: 5/6/2024 2:58:42 PM EDT
[#49]
Quote HistoryI’ve played Bingo and meat raffle at the bowling alley. Or what used to be the bowling alley. |
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Posted: 5/6/2024 3:00:12 PM EDT
[#50]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Engineer5: You're not taking a modern supercar anywhere near its limits on the street no matter what transmission it has in it. Disagree. Your statement is flat out wrong. Now that if you said… You're not taking a modern supercar anywhere near its limits legally on the street no matter what transmission it has in it. Some people out there do push the limits of what their cars are capable on the highway. Just because you’re afraid to doesn’t mean others are. Example. The cannon ball run record holders. |
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