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Posted: 5/6/2024 8:59:23 PM EDT
[Last Edit: FlashMan-7k]
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OP's your title is ... confusing.
I think you meant: Gen Z complains that companies expect premium performance for min wage pay --------------------- ETA: I guess the parents of the person who put the video up never bothered to tell them that minimum wage jobs are hard and require you to bust your butt off. That's how starter jobs ARE. You don't have anything of high value that's rare to offer, so you have to make up for it with other things... like working obscenely hard and always being there. We are failing at teaching our kids basic life lessons. |
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Posted: 5/6/2024 9:12:27 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By BooJangles: From my experience, if you bust your ass and show initiative and prove yourself, you get promoted to better paying jobs. Gen Z thinks they get to come in the door and be senior management on day 1. I've personally experienced the exact opposite. Outwork everyone only to watch nepotism or DEI unfold. |
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Posted: 5/6/2024 9:21:15 PM EDT
[Last Edit: FlashMan-7k]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Hostile1: I've personally experienced the exact opposite. Outwork everyone only to watch nepotism or DEI unfold. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Hostile1: Originally Posted By BooJangles: From my experience, if you bust your ass and show initiative and prove yourself, you get promoted to better paying jobs. Gen Z thinks they get to come in the door and be senior management on day 1. I've personally experienced the exact opposite. Outwork everyone only to watch nepotism or DEI unfold. Both things happen. When things are working normally and as they should, those who work the hardest tend to move up. Hard work and competence usually equates to advancing. When the people running the place are corrupt, the stuff you mentioned happens. |
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Posted: 5/6/2024 9:22:22 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By odiedodi: $7.25 an hour is not a survivable wage in 2024. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By odiedodi: Originally Posted By BooJangles: From my experience, if you bust your ass and show initiative and prove yourself, you get promoted to better paying jobs. Gen Z thinks they get to come in the door and be senior management on day 1. so don't be a bagger at a grocery store. |
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Posted: 5/6/2024 9:36:24 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By BombCrater: Back in my day min wage jobs were NOT meant to be survivable. I work those jobs a a high schooler and in college to get extra money. I got an education and then got paid a living wage which got better over the years as I become more worth it. What kind of absolute moron thinks slinging burgers should be a wage that gets you a house and you can raise kids on? |
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Posted: 5/6/2024 9:54:33 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By BooJangles: From my experience, if you bust your ass and show initiative and prove yourself, you get promoted to better paying jobs. Gen Z thinks they get to come in the door and be senior management on day 1.  Attached File |
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Posted: 5/6/2024 10:00:31 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By GlockfanUT: I’m not living high on the hog at $57 per hour… I don’t eat pork. |
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Posted: 5/6/2024 10:03:23 PM EDT
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Boomas should be billed by the hour by their company for every user error IT call they make
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VA, USA
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Posted: 5/6/2024 10:06:35 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By BooJangles: From my experience, if you bust your ass and show initiative and prove yourself, you get promoted to better paying jobs. Gen Z thinks they get to come in the door and be senior management on day 1. Not my experience. Dipshits get promoted, workers are kept in their position to actually get shit done. Best example was this dingus from california that was the epitome of “Those who cannot do, teach.” Complete friggin’ idiot, promoted all the way up to superintendent, relying entirely on the expertise of the foremen to get there. Retards in the office bring in new people from outside to fill upper management positions rather than promoting from within, and they specifically hire the rejects from other companies. When the CEO retired, they brought in some other jackass from california to run the place, and that MBA fucktard has nickle and dimed the place half to death. It’s a fucking joke. |
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Posted: 5/6/2024 10:06:39 PM EDT
[Last Edit: cyclone]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By JMD: In my experience if you bust your ass, show initiative and prove yourself to the right people you get better paying jobs or promotions If you aren’t seen or known by the right people it does not mean shit about those qualities or how hard you work. I am a gen x and that has been my experience in both private and public sector. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By JMD: Originally Posted By BooJangles: From my experience, if you bust your ass and show initiative and prove yourself, you get promoted to better paying jobs. Gen Z thinks they get to come in the door and be senior management on day 1. In my experience if you bust your ass, show initiative and prove yourself to the right people you get better paying jobs or promotions If you aren’t seen or known by the right people it does not mean shit about those qualities or how hard you work. I am a gen x and that has been my experience in both private and public sector. Saw this alot..................if you had a sponsor, or knew someone, or kissed the right ass then you were golden.............otherwise you arent going anywhere |
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Posted: 5/6/2024 10:07:06 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By BooJangles: From my experience, if you bust your ass and show initiative and prove yourself, you get promoted to better paying jobs. Gen Z thinks they get to come in the door and be senior management on day 1. |
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AZ, USA
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Posted: 5/6/2024 10:15:36 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By eagarminuteman: The whole idea of “stick with the company and get promoted to earn more” has been complete bs in my experience. The only meaningful way my income has increased has been jumping companies every couple years. @eagarminuteman Huh, I guess I'm not surprised to see you here. That's been my experience as well. I think it's getting close to time for me to bounce. -AB |
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Posted: 5/6/2024 10:16:50 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Cypher15: Now days many companies just see that you bust your ass for the they pay and keep using you that way. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Cypher15: Originally Posted By BooJangles: From my experience, if you bust your ass and show initiative and prove yourself, you get promoted to better paying jobs. Gen Z thinks they get to come in the door and be senior management on day 1. |
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Posted: 5/6/2024 10:17:41 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By rb889: Not my experience. Dipshits get promoted, workers are kept in their position to actually get shit done. Best example was this dingus from california that was the epitome of “Those who cannot do, teach.” Complete friggin’ idiot, promoted all the way up to superintendent, relying entirely on the expertise of the foremen to get there. Retards in the office bring in new people from outside to fill upper management positions rather than promoting from within, and they specifically hire the rejects from other companies. When the CEO retired, they brought in some other jackass from california to run the place, and that MBA fucktard has nickle and dimed the place half to death. It’s a fucking joke.  |
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Posted: 5/6/2024 10:20:21 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By CTYC313: How do you even find a job paying that much? Seems like everywhere around here is posting help wanted signs at $15+ an hour. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By CTYC313: Originally Posted By odiedodi: Everything you just said doesn't matter. The fact is that $7.25 an hour is not a survivable wage. That's why kids opted out of working for that price, and that's why entry level wage cuck jobs generally offer well above that now. After we deport all of the illegals, they'll have to pay even more, and the boomer tears will be satisfying. How do you even find a job paying that much? Seems like everywhere around here is posting help wanted signs at $15+ an hour. I’m curious about this too. My son has been working since 15 and all the jobs he’s worked at or interviewed for (including Willy’s Mexicana Grill and Taco Mac) are starting people at $12-14/hr. |
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Posted: 5/6/2024 10:25:09 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By odiedodi: $7.25 an hour is not a survivable wage in 2024. The only time I made minimum wage was when I was a teenager living at home with my parents working my first job. Minimum wage jobs aren’t for people trying to run a household. It’s for kids first starting out and maybe bored retirees who just want something to do. |
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Posted: 5/6/2024 10:31:53 PM EDT
[Last Edit: SoonerBorn]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By JMD: In my experience if you bust your ass, show initiative and prove yourself to the right people you get better paying jobs or promotions If you aren't seen or known by the right people it does not mean shit about those qualities or how hard you work. I am a gen x and that has been my experience in both private and public sector. |
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Posted: 5/6/2024 10:43:10 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By BooJangles: From my experience, if you bust your ass and show initiative and prove yourself, you get promoted to better paying jobs. Gen Z thinks they get to come in the door and be senior management on day 1. It used to be that way but now you have to leave and go to a new company to be promoted. My brother once quit a job for lack of a promised promotion and they were shocked at how expensive replacing him was. Oops. |
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Posted: 5/6/2024 11:16:16 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Ryan_Scott: It used to be that way but now you have to leave and go to a new company to be promoted. My brother once quit a job for lack of a promised promotion and they were shocked at how expensive replacing him was. Oops. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Ryan_Scott: Originally Posted By BooJangles: From my experience, if you bust your ass and show initiative and prove yourself, you get promoted to better paying jobs. Gen Z thinks they get to come in the door and be senior management on day 1. It used to be that way but now you have to leave and go to a new company to be promoted. My brother once quit a job for lack of a promised promotion and they were shocked at how expensive replacing him was. Oops. I really wonder what changed to make things this way. Having to hire outside is risky and expensive and you never really know what you're going to get, something has to have come in to make these places percive that the risks are worth it. Have a friend that's an electrician and he reports the same thing to me - nobody advances. You have to quit and go to another place to advance. |
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Posted: 5/7/2024 12:22:21 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By JLPettimoreIII: fuck no.  Yeah but I can hope. Speaking of, picked up mah new steel toe boots for the mine on Monday. Damn boots cost too much. |
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Posted: 5/7/2024 12:31:19 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By macman37: so don't be a bagger at a grocery store. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By macman37: Originally Posted By odiedodi: Originally Posted By BooJangles: From my experience, if you bust your ass and show initiative and prove yourself, you get promoted to better paying jobs. Gen Z thinks they get to come in the door and be senior management on day 1. so don't be a bagger at a grocery store. These days I think you would have to negotiate your wage DOWN to get $7.25 as a bagger. |
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Posted: 5/7/2024 12:34:15 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Admiral_Crunch: The only time I made minimum wage was when I was a teenager living at home with my parents working my first job. Minimum wage jobs aren't for people trying to run a household. It's for kids first starting out and maybe bored retirees who just want something to do. |
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Posted: 5/7/2024 12:37:13 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By odiedodi: I didn't say a house and kids. I said survivable. $7.25 an hour isn't enough to afford food, a car payment, and split rent and utilities with a roommate, which is the bare minimum you need to function without having any savings for upwards mobility or a retirement fund. In spite of what our many basement dwelling members believe, taking public transportation is still survivable.
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Posted: 5/7/2024 12:44:16 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By eagarminuteman: The whole idea of “stick with the company and get promoted to earn more” has been complete bs in my experience. The only meaningful way my income has increased has been jumping companies every couple years. This. Hell even in government the best way to move up is switching to other agencies/departments. |
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Posted: 5/7/2024 12:48:03 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By soncorn: https://www.economist.com/leaders/2024/04/18/reasons-to-be-cheerful-about-generation-z Gen Zers I know all got six figure jobs out of the military in their 20s. |
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Posted: 5/7/2024 1:05:40 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By odiedodi: You don't get to decide that, the market does. Boomers will have heart attacks when Trump deports the 20 million and burger flippers make $20 an hour. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By odiedodi: Originally Posted By Admiral_Crunch: The only time I made minimum wage was when I was a teenager living at home with my parents working my first job. Minimum wage jobs aren't for people trying to run a household. It's for kids first starting out and maybe bored retirees who just want something to do. And AI will make those taking the orders for the burger flippers obsolete. |
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Posted: 5/7/2024 1:13:59 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By migradog: And AI will make those taking the orders for the burger flippers obsolete. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By migradog: Originally Posted By odiedodi: Originally Posted By Admiral_Crunch: The only time I made minimum wage was when I was a teenager living at home with my parents working my first job. Minimum wage jobs aren't for people trying to run a household. It's for kids first starting out and maybe bored retirees who just want something to do. And AI will make those taking the orders for the burger flippers obsolete. And robots will make most of the flippers obsolete soon enough considering they're making about that much already. |
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Posted: 5/7/2024 1:16:02 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By CTYC313: Most places I've worked at busting your ass and proving yourself just meant more work. Promotion was typically unrelated to busting your ass. Just because someone is a hard worker doesn't mean they're management material, and in many cases that's the only path for increased pay. What most people don't realize is they are fucking themselves living check to check. Yes you should enjoy life but not until you have at least six months to a year of savings. Once you have that you can quit a job whenever you feel like it to upgrade without worry. If you don't like the new place you can quit again. Tons of people I have known in life always spent before saving and were unable to risk a few weeks with thout pay going for a new job or too scared to demand a raise with an ultimatum because they would be in deep shit if fired. If you have no savings deliver pizza on weekends and nights for a few months and get some savings so you can take risks for more income. |
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Posted: 5/7/2024 1:30:12 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By migradog: And AI will make those taking the orders for the burger flippers obsolete. |
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Posted: 5/7/2024 2:17:41 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Steamedliver: Cush? Really? https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/376732/IMG_2984_jpeg-3207138.JPG A lot of people fall i to that trap. Poor suckers. Never were taught "To the talent, the tools" |
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Posted: 5/7/2024 2:20:31 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By jwr6: This. Hell even in government the best way to move up is switching to other agencies/departments. This is correct. |
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Posted: 5/7/2024 2:21:54 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Cypher15: Now days many companies just see that you bust your ass for the shit they pay and keep using you that way. Correct. I've worked while sick, and done 7 days a week or more. It got me a thanks, yet I still get eyerolls when I skin out of work early on a Friday. |
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Posted: 5/7/2024 4:22:27 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By odiedodi: $7.25 an hour is not a survivable wage in 2024. If you're a mid 20's Gen Z making $7.25 an hour, your income wage isn't your problem. That minimum wage is for the enterprising young high school kid doing the high school work programs earning money at a local Chick-fil-A learning the basics of worth ethics, customer service, and how to be a responsible employee, maybe even prove your value by getting into a supervisory role. Hell, one young student from my wife's old school earned Chick-fil-A's scholarship, joined the National Guard, attended a nearby junior college/military academy, got her ARNG commission, and accepted into a nursing-degree program. The minimum wage is only minimum if you're life goals are stuck on "minimal". ROCK6 |
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Posted: 5/7/2024 4:37:17 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By odiedodi: Minimum wage laws only introduce an artificial price floor, but even if it were abolished now, you would find practically no workers willing to show up for less than $7.25, outside of border hoppers maybe. And why is that? It's called taxpayer subsidies and handouts from the government creating an artificial sense of self-worth. Take that shit away where people have to work for dinner, they'll get off their ass. It's only minimum wage for minimum (very young, unskilled) effort and many are too damn lazy and spoiled to even put in the minimum effort. I say this as a one who grew up in a migrant, Hispanic community working as young as 14 years old in the fields alongside them and later in warehouses all through high school and drying hops in the summer during college breaks. Get off your ass, prove your value in your performance and dependability, and then start talking about your wage rate. ROCK6 |
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Posted: 5/7/2024 5:35:25 AM EDT
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Posted: 5/7/2024 5:44:00 AM EDT
[Last Edit: Jkees]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By FlashMan-7k: I really wonder what changed to make things this way. Me too, I would guess it often has to do with the fact that management does not actually make the company money, just optimizes the normal output. If you want to take any risk with hiring outside employees, you have less of a chance of going under (in the short term) from shit management then you do having a void in actual production. Obviously in the long run a company is going to be more successful if they hire knowledgeable employees internally, but somewhere around the 90's our country moved away from the focus on physical gdp production and shifted more into investment and speculation gdp. Because of this many companies now focus on being productive on a quarterly basis to make sure their stock price does not drop. And that does not even encompass the problem of massive company mergers crushing competition over the years and forcing a unitary management state that does nothing but loot and pillage the middle class. I'm sure for the people in the higher pay bracket connected through fancy positions can actually bust ass and get promoted, and im happy the system works as intended on the higher scale. But my view as someone on the floor welding, who does bust ass, shows initiative and good relations, the system in many companies has been set up to treat the worker as a necessary inconvenience, rather than a helpful asset. I love this country, and capitalism. I understand some of this is an inherent trait and beats the alternative, but it seems that all the old timers I talk to on shop floors all agree something started going wrong on the ground level around the 90's. Denying this problem is what polarizes people away to go to communism. |
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Posted: 5/7/2024 6:25:59 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By odiedodi: $7.25 an hour is not a survivable wage in 2024. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By odiedodi: Originally Posted By BooJangles: From my experience, if you bust your ass and show initiative and prove yourself, you get promoted to better paying jobs. Gen Z thinks they get to come in the door and be senior management on day 1. Then be worth more to the company than a $7.25hr worker. Hell when I first started working, it was $2.25 an hour. I've never had a minimum wage job. Ever. My first job in the early 80s was $12.00hr. I was 16 years old. You have to sell yourself to the company, from the minute you walk in that door for the interview. You have to convince them that you're valuable to them, more valuable than anyone in your position. Then you have to be more valuable, and seek opportunities to move up, constantly, and as soon as an opportunity arises. You have to be the best at whatever your job is, tro make it worth the company's while to move you up or pay you more. If you want to know how hard / smart you work, take a purely commission based sales job. You'll find out fast if you're a self motivator. That means if you don't sell product, you don't get paid, at all. I sold cars for 8 years purely on sales based commission pay. If I didn't sell, I didn't get a dime. We didn't have draw where if you didn't sell you got $200 that week. We got nothing. I made a good living at it. Not everybody is cut out for sales, or likes sales work. Find out what you're good at, and do that, the best you can do it. And work at it, keep improving. Keep motivated. you can make great money doing what you love. Just stop begging and whining that you're not paid what someone who's been at your job for a decade longer than you is making. If you're worth that, and you show the company that, you'll get paid that. They're not shy about paying it if someone else is making it. Make them want to pay you more. You're not worth it just because you show up. |
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Posted: 5/7/2024 6:28:13 AM EDT
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Work hard get piled on more work. The lazy bullshitters typically get promoted fastest.
My rate has went down since 2020 and covid and is only just now rebounding and slightly looking better. Yet I canm be model employee number 1 and the pay scale is no different for Joe blow with a fresh certification and poor work ethic. I have ended up with a slight bump into lead man pay which is a few bucks but it comes with more responsibility and work load and honestly isn't worth it. |
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Posted: 5/7/2024 6:47:59 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Winkychevelle: Work hard get piled on more work. The lazy bullshitters typically get promoted fastest. My rate has went down since 2020 and covid and is only just now rebounding and slightly looking better. Yet I canm be model employee number 1 and the pay scale is no different for Joe blow with a fresh certification and poor work ethic. I have ended up with a slight bump into lead man pay which is a few bucks but it comes with more responsibility and work load and honestly isn't worth it. This is where you need to shop for a new employer. If they are willing to let your wage stagnate while bringing in fresh blood at a similar wage, this shows that they do not appreciate your experience. |
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Posted: 5/7/2024 7:05:06 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By migradog: And AI will make those taking the orders for the burger flippers obsolete. Bro you're about 6 years behind. |
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Posted: 5/7/2024 7:10:08 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Redman556: Then be worth more to the company than a $7.25hr worker. Hell when I first started working, it was $2.25 an hour. I've never had a minimum wage job. Ever. My first job in the early 80s was $12.00hr. I was 16 years old. https://data.bls.gov/cgi-bin/cpicalc.pl?cost1=12&year1=198501&year2=202403 Tag, you're it. You're the new meme. It's a canon event, you can't do anything about it. |
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Posted: 5/7/2024 7:11:56 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By eagarminuteman: The whole idea of “stick with the company and get promoted to earn more” has been complete bs in my experience. The only meaningful way my income has increased has been jumping companies every couple years. It all started changing in the late 80's early 90's. Nowadays, do what's in your best interest and look out for yourself, because they sure aren't going to do it. Those days are long gone. |
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Posted: 5/7/2024 7:12:23 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By BombCrater: Back in my day min wage jobs were NOT meant to be survivable. I work those jobs a a high schooler and in college to get extra money. I got an education and then got paid a living wage which got better over the years as I become more worth it. What kind of absolute moron thinks slinging burgers should be a wage that gets you a house and you can raise kids on? A Dimocrat votimh moron. |
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Posted: 5/7/2024 7:14:22 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By odiedodi: $7.25 an hour is not a survivable wage in 2024. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By odiedodi: Originally Posted By BooJangles: From my experience, if you bust your ass and show initiative and prove yourself, you get promoted to better paying jobs. Gen Z thinks they get to come in the door and be senior management on day 1. I’ve been working since I was 15 and have literally never been paid minimum wage |
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Posted: 5/7/2024 7:15:56 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By heavy260: Am I in before Boomers ruined it? Damn Boomers ruined it for everyone, go pull yourself up by your bootstraps..... Government/leftist that are talking about Min wage not being livable are the same people who are pushing for UBI and living wages. They know people who take minimum wage jobs tend to be illegals and low skilled workers and making menial work pay "livable" means they want a permanent underclass who won't strive to achieve. |
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Posted: 5/7/2024 7:22:56 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By odiedodi: That's up to consumers. I can imagine possible backlash to it. Certain crowds want a physical person they can bitch at. After inflation makes their retirement as worthless as my current salary, they won't be able to afford macdonalds anyway. |
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Posted: 5/7/2024 9:08:33 AM EDT
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Posted: 5/7/2024 9:29:59 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By TheRX7Project: I don't know how my subordinates are managing at $20/hr. I'm not living high on the hog at $30. Originally Posted By GlockfanUT: I’m not living high on the hog at $57 per hour… This was just a conversation I was having recently. I make $41/hr with a modest house, car, etc. I have no idea how so many people my age and younger and buying sxs's, campers, etc. I thought I was doing ok at that $41/hr but damn...guess not. |
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Posted: 5/7/2024 9:42:44 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By brandon_: This was just a conversation I was having recently. I make $41/hr with a modest house, car, etc. I have no idea how so many people my age and younger and buying sxs's, campers, etc. I thought I was doing ok at that $41/hr but damn...guess not. You gotta get off that W2 and be more polite and detail oriented. |
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WA, USA
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Posted: 5/7/2024 9:48:26 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By maxima2: You work = you get paid. You work hard, do a good job, and show interest and ready to do more = you get promoted and paid more. Never was a secret and always been that way. Want special treatment and fast promotions you didn't work for or earn? = go work for your Mom and Dad. Out of touch |
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