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Posted: 5/7/2024 9:28:25 AM EDT
[#1]
Ruger Safari in 223.
Mimics their big game rifles and a ton of fun to shoot. Only made a few hundred of them and they are fetching close to $2k on GB. I snagged one for $900 and it is one of my favorite rifles. I have their Scout in 5.56 as well. Another fun bolt action that is cheap to shoot. Sadly discontinued as well. |
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Posted: 5/7/2024 9:29:55 AM EDT
[Last Edit: TheRealBluedog]
[#2]
It’s not too late if somebody wants to get in on an underappreciated rifle that you can buy today, relatively Inexpensively at that. Get yourself a ketec RDB, or a PSA JAKL.
I honestly thought the RDB would become huge if the ATF got away with killing off braced pistols. It doesn’t look like that’s going to happen, but anyone interested in a bullpup should at least give it a try. I bought one just to have a bullpup and it is so much better than I was expecting. It’s an excellent suppressor host, but it needs more aftermarket support and it’s just ugly. It should’ve been designed to except AR 15 pistol grips and with a few other refinements, it could be a serious challenger to the AR 15. I think the JAKL is actually going to be the number two most popular semi auto in the United States over the next few years. It seems to really be catching on. |
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NH, USA
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Posted: 5/7/2024 9:31:52 AM EDT
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Bushmaster M17S
Stoner 63 |
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VA, USA
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Posted: 5/7/2024 9:32:12 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By TheRealBluedog: All of those guns failed for a reason. And that reason is the AR 15. When you look at the combination of features, people want in a modern fighting rifle, nothing even comes close to combining all of those features as well as the AR 15. When you add in the accidental modularity stoner, probably wasn’t even thinking about when he designed the weapon, they’re simply no way, anything can compete with it. They used to call the Mini 14 the poor mans ZR 15. Now an inexpensive AR 15 is the poor man’s AR 15, a very expensive AR 15 is the rich man’s AR 15, and you’ve got plenty of middle tier stuff for everyone else. I’ve watched so many AR 15 killers come along, but the AR 15 outlived them all. It wasn’t that long ago ago that everyone wanted to stick a piston system on their AR 15. Whatever happened to those? Remember when people said the AK-47 is more reliable, but the AR 15 is more accurate? It turns out that the AR 15 is more accurate and more reliable, and more modular, and more economic, and less expensive, and easier to modify, and easier to work on. As another poster pointed out, import bans did a lot of damage to begin with. It also helped that patents for the AR15 expired decades ago and that the TDP was readily available to manufacturers. As for piston guns, the reason we aren’t seeing success is because every manufacturer in that game has a proprietary solution. HK, LMT, LWRC and others all do different things, and they are expensive to buy and expensive to get spare or upgrades for. |
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Posted: 5/7/2024 9:33:34 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 45-Seventy: The Mini-14 is a perfect example of a gun that was brought 90% of the way and then the designers just gave up. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 45-Seventy: Originally Posted By VEPR39: No mini 14 ? If it had been more accurate . . . The Mini-14 is a perfect example of a gun that was brought 90% of the way and then the designers just gave up. I think the Mini's evolution is more complex than that. The 180 series by all accounts is light, handy - and around a 2 MOA gun out of the box. An ideal 5.56 M1 carbine replacement. It was redesigned as the full-auto AC-556 to compete for foreign military contracts, with a heavier duty piston, adding weight & costing accuracy. The only foreign contracts it landed were the Bermudan Defense Regiment and some foreign police forces, including the French. The civilian equivalent was the 181 series, which became infamous as a replacement for the Red Label Ruger shotguns. It wasn't until the 580 series, I believe, a fairly major redesign this century, with a heavier barrel, that the accuracy issues were fixed - back to a generally 2 MOA gun, not as tunable as an AR. I have never owned a Mini, but it's a fascinating anachronistic take on the uniquely American exposed Op-Rod semi-auto that the American military held on to long past its sell by date. |
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Posted: 5/7/2024 9:34:44 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By VEPR39: No mini 14 ? If it had been more accurate . . . This. Ruger squandered a great design by failing to improve it. |
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TX, USA
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Posted: 5/7/2024 9:36:53 AM EDT
[#7]
One vote for the Stg-940. AK simplicity and reliability. German designed and manufactured.
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Posted: 5/7/2024 9:38:45 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AllAlphas: The '89 ban killed the possibility of most of these becoming more popular here in the US, and subsequently their models more refined. But none, except for perhaps the Daewoo K-2, had the design potential or modularity of Eugene Stoner's M-16/AR-15. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/84523/Valmet76withmags1_jpg-3207727.JPG https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/84523/20240414_154127_jpg-3207733.JPG https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/84523/Beretta_AR70_bipod_bayonet_2_jpg-3207729.JPG https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/84523/20230517_162941_jpg-3207731.JPG https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/84523/2IMIGalilARMs_jpg-3207734.JPG  Attached File /Just needs a couple AR180s. |
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Posted: 5/7/2024 9:39:32 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By d16man: @X-CaptHook you may be in luck. Seems I remember Jamin teasing one on here at some point as a potential PSA concept. |
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Posted: 5/7/2024 9:39:53 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ManMan: I came to mention the same thing... I owned a M17s for awhile and it had a lot of promise, but really needed a Gen2 developed. Better trigger, weight reduction & some minor tweaks to the ergo's Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ManMan: Originally Posted By Arty8:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mLL0WYN7R78I came to mention the same thing... I owned a M17s for awhile and it had a lot of promise, but really needed a Gen2 developed. Better trigger, weight reduction & some minor tweaks to the ergo's Someone is making an updated version, still available last I heard. Also in .308, I think. |
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NC, USA
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Posted: 5/7/2024 9:47:34 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 45-Seventy: The Mini-14 is a perfect example of a gun that was brought 90% of the way and then the designers just gave up. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 45-Seventy: Originally Posted By VEPR39: No mini 14 ? If it had been more accurate . . . The Mini-14 is a perfect example of a gun that was brought 90% of the way and then the designers just gave up. It's somewhat of a testament to its popularity that it's been in production for ~ 50 years. I think if they gave it another clean-up and offered some new flavors it'd be good for a bit longer . |
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Posted: 5/7/2024 9:52:45 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By LurchAddams: I liked the Sig 556. https://www.americanrifleman.org/media/amwngf1w/200971492041-sig556_fs.jpg?anchor=center&mode=crop&width=987&height=551&rnd=132615068441130000&quality=60 Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By LurchAddams: I liked the Sig 556. https://www.americanrifleman.org/media/amwngf1w/200971492041-sig556_fs.jpg?anchor=center&mode=crop&width=987&height=551&rnd=132615068441130000&quality=60 I bought one as soon as they came out; I was so excited for it. I still have it and shoot it often, and it's good. I spent a ton of time and money trying to make it more like a 55x rifle. I mean, I ordered handguards and had them shipped from Switzerland for stupid money. Then, the bastards started making it the way I wanted (for the same price).  Originally Posted By akguy1985: I have a 551A1. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/128054/Sig_551_jpg-3207759.JPG  I do like my 556, but I really do want one of those. I never came across one for sale that was in my budget. |
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Posted: 5/7/2024 9:53:22 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Craigan: Fn FNC Is that the one they used in 'Heat'? 
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Posted: 5/7/2024 9:54:31 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AllAlphas: The '89 ban killed the possibility of most of these becoming more popular here in the US, and subsequently their models more refined. But none, except for perhaps the Daewoo K-2, had the design potential or modularity of Eugene Stoner's M-16/AR-15. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/84523/Valmet76withmags1_jpg-3207727.JPG https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/84523/20240414_154127_jpg-3207733.JPG https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/84523/Beretta_AR70_bipod_bayonet_2_jpg-3207729.JPG https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/84523/20230517_162941_jpg-3207731.JPG https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/84523/2 IMIGalilARMs_jpg-3207734.JPG That’s a nice collection! |
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Posted: 5/7/2024 9:59:28 AM EDT
[#15]
Beretta ARX-100?
Really neat and clever features... the biggest thing that caused dislike is how ugly it is. The features are seriously clever. I like how changing the ejection port works. The bolt carrier has two recoil springs and guides, each has an extractor on the end that can act as an ejector. There's a little plate with two holes at the rear that is moved so that one of the two rods is blocked, making it move forward and act as the ejector while the other one acts as the extractor. Push the plate and it switches the holes. I think that's fucking clever as fuck. The quick change barrel is neat, too. Makes it easy as hell to clean and inspect if needed. Switching the charging handle is pretty simple, too, though it is a little short without the slide on knob. You can tear up your fingers if you're not careful racking it, because the little deflectors protruding from the side of the chassis are in the way a little bit. Overall, I think it's a really clever design, but suffers from a serious case of buttugly. |
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Posted: 5/7/2024 10:00:28 AM EDT
[#16]
XCR is an awesome rifle….
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Posted: 5/7/2024 10:01:43 AM EDT
[#17]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Matthew_Q: Beretta ARX-100? Really neat and clever features... the biggest thing that caused dislike is how ugly it is. The features are seriously clever. I like how changing the ejection port works. The bolt carrier has two recoil springs and guides, each has an extractor on the end that can act as an ejector. There's a little plate with two holes at the rear that is moved so that one of the two rods is blocked, making it move forward and act as the ejector while the other one acts as the extractor. Push the plate and it switches the holes. I think that's fucking clever as fuck. The quick change barrel is neat, too. Makes it easy as hell to clean and inspect if needed. Switching the charging handle is pretty simple, too, though it is a little short without the slide on knob. You can tear up your fingers if you're not careful racking it, because the little deflectors protruding from the side of the chassis are in the way a little bit. Overall, I think it's a really clever design, but suffers from a serious case of buttugly. Italians always style their designs in a way that is past Avant Garde and into charicaturish. |
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Posted: 5/7/2024 10:04:22 AM EDT
[#18]
It always seemed to me that the Cold War era provided impetus for manufacturers to A) Improve on the AR/AK/FAL by combining desirable features and B) Reduce cost by design at volume production. The Sig 550 series is the latest and IMO the best attempt at that but could have been improved even further (less complicated and better trigger, needed to go on a diet and shave 1.5lb).
So I'll got with that as #1. Should have been more popular worldwide imo. It would be trivial to create a 7.62 version. 20 years later and the SCAR request to basically produce an aluminum extruded and injection molded 55X. |
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Posted: 5/7/2024 10:06:21 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By TheOtherDave: I don’t think so. It is fundamentally the same rifle internally, the exterior had pic rails like every other rifle at the time. If they’d had released MLOC and Dickmod back them people would have seen the rifle as a joke. On top of that. Nothing was going to overcome the Mormon hate Alex Robinson got for supporting Romney. ARFCOM destroyed Robinson out of spite-he didn’t help himself and should have stayed away from him keyboard, but assholes here on this site are why that gun didn’t meet the commercial success it should have. I don't know if that's the reason. Robinson's production volume and customer service has always been wanting. |
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Posted: 5/7/2024 10:09:21 AM EDT
[#20]
HK 630. Not a lot of accurate semi guns available in the 80s.
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PA, USA
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Posted: 5/7/2024 10:12:52 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AllAlphas: The '89 ban killed the possibility of most of these becoming more popular here in the US, and subsequently their models more refined. But none, except for perhaps the Daewoo K-2, had the design potential or modularity of Eugene Stoner's M-16/AR-15. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/84523/Valmet76withmags1_jpg-3207727.JPG https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/84523/20240414_154127_jpg-3207733.JPG https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/84523/Beretta_AR70_bipod_bayonet_2_jpg-3207729.JPG https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/84523/20230517_162941_jpg-3207731.JPG https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/84523/2IMIGalilARMs_jpg-3207734.JPG |
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Posted: 5/7/2024 10:15:08 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RustedAce: None of those. The AR15 exists, so no other 5.56 rifle need bother. This fucking guy. Coming in the thread and saying what I was going to say. A page ahead of me. What's next, you gonna start talking shit to b**mahs in the financial threads too?
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Posted: 5/7/2024 10:15:46 AM EDT
[Last Edit: TheRealBluedog]
[#23]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Matthew_Q: Beretta ARX-100? Really neat and clever features... the biggest thing that caused dislike is how ugly it is. The features are seriously clever. I like how changing the ejection port works. The bolt carrier has two recoil springs and guides, each has an extractor on the end that can act as an ejector. There's a little plate with two holes at the rear that is moved so that one of the two rods is blocked, making it move forward and act as the ejector while the other one acts as the extractor. Push the plate and it switches the holes. I think that's fucking clever as fuck. The quick change barrel is neat, too. Makes it easy as hell to clean and inspect if needed. Switching the charging handle is pretty simple, too, though it is a little short without the slide on knob. You can tear up your fingers if you're not careful racking it, because the little deflectors protruding from the side of the chassis are in the way a little bit. Overall, I think it's a really clever design, but suffers from a serious case of buttugly. I was interested in the Beretta ARX 100, but accuracy was hit or miss. I wouldn’t mind 2 MOA, but I read too many reports from people who were getting six MOA and had to send it back to Barretta only to be told that it was in spec. |
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VA, USA
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Posted: 5/7/2024 10:41:33 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By -OdieGreen-: Stoner 63. It was perfect for the era. Modular, made with stamped bullshit, looked like it still fit in with the times. It’s the rifle that should have been the top dog but I’m glad it wasn’t because the AR is better, especially with modern manufacturing. This. More modern, probably the G36. With only a few updates, it would match the AR15/M4 for all intents and purposes, at least for basic infantry use. If HK wasn’t run by arrogant assholes, they would’ve been producing them here in the US since the 90’s, and taken advantage of the small arms development of the commercial sector. |
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IA, USA
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Posted: 5/7/2024 10:45:44 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By TheRealBluedog: I was interested in the Beretta ARX 100, but accuracy was hit or miss. I wouldn’t mind 2 MOA, but I read too many reports from people who were getting six MOA and had to send it back to Barretta only to be told that it was in spec. and this is the problem with any 5.56 that isn't an AR. You can't beat AR accuracy. I had a CZ Bren 2 and it was a cool gun, but that minute of pie plate accuracy didn't cut it. |
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Posted: 5/7/2024 10:46:59 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ThatGuy91K: I really wanted a Tactical Tuna when they first came out. https://i.imgur.com/iHHS76p.jpeg |
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Posted: 5/7/2024 10:49:03 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By LurchAddams: I liked the Sig 556. https://www.americanrifleman.org/media/amwngf1w/200971492041-sig556_fs.jpg?anchor=center&mode=crop&width=987&height=551&rnd=132615068441130000&quality=60  Sig AG 551 - The Tale of a Unicorn  Pimp My Sig Sauer AG 551 |
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VA, USA
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Posted: 5/7/2024 11:50:49 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By CarlosC: One vote for the Stg-940. AK simplicity and reliability. German designed and manufactured. https://modernfirearms.net/wp-content/uploads/2017/12/weiger2.jpg I have a clone and would die if the furniture ever broke. https://i.imgur.com/jdFG7tJ.jpg This guy sells reproduction furniture https://warsawwoodco.com/wieger-stg-940-reproduction-furniture-kit/ |
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Posted: 5/7/2024 12:00:01 PM EDT
[Last Edit: patw]
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Sorry double tap
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Posted: 5/7/2024 12:04:24 PM EDT
[Last Edit: patw]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ThatGuy91K: I really wanted a Tactical Tuna when they first came out. https://i.imgur.com/iHHS76p.jpeg Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ThatGuy91K: I really wanted a Tactical Tuna when they first came out. https://i.imgur.com/iHHS76p.jpeg I had a couple over the years but they were heavy and awkward to hold. It's a shame as they were a neat design. Originally Posted By LurchAddams: I liked the Sig 556. https://www.americanrifleman.org/media/amwngf1w/200971492041-sig556_fs.jpg?anchor=center&mode=crop&width=987&height=551&rnd=132615068441130000&quality=60 I do too. I had a 556 model but unfortunately, I could not get it to run 100%. Very fun to shoot. I have never had one but the Bushmaster ACR was/is something I wish was still available with support behind it. That and the Beretta ARX 100. I always like the odd guns, as a lot of us do. |
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Posted: 5/7/2024 12:09:19 PM EDT
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The AR180 design is build into alot of modern rifles though.
I had an ACR and really liked alot about it. But it was too front heavy. No support. The charging handle and rail was a bit flimsy. I sold it. But if someone made a new one and fixed the issues I'd be all over it. |
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AZ, USA
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Posted: 5/7/2024 12:16:39 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 45-Seventy: The Mini-14 is a perfect example of a gun that was brought 90% of the way and then the designers just gave up. I've always liked the size, ergos and operating system of the Mini 14 over the AR but probably like many others was never willing to put down the cash for a notoriously inaccurate example. I've also always really liked galil's but same thing regarding quality versions stateside. |
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Posted: 5/7/2024 12:33:33 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By rb889: This. More modern, probably the G36. With only a few updates, it would match the AR15/M4 for all intents and purposes, at least for basic infantry use. If HK wasn’t run by arrogant assholes, they would’ve been producing them here in the US since the 90’s, and taken advantage of the small arms development of the commercial sector. Maybe if they didn't constrain the barrel trunnion with plastic. |
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Posted: 5/7/2024 12:39:46 PM EDT
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I saw some South Korean Infantry guys running something like this Daewoo K1A. I thought they were pretty cool.
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Posted: 5/7/2024 12:40:54 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Kuraki: It always seemed to me that the Cold War era provided impetus for manufacturers to A) Improve on the AR/AK/FAL by combining desirable features and B) Reduce cost by design at volume production. The Sig 550 series is the latest and IMO the best attempt at that but could have been improved even further (less complicated and better trigger, needed to go on a diet and shave 1.5lb). So I'll got with that as #1. Should have been more popular worldwide imo. It would be trivial to create a 7.62 version. 20 years later and the SCAR request to basically produce an aluminum extruded and injection molded 55X. I like the Sig rifles, and I agree. I believe the issue is the Swiss government having laws or regulations to prevent manufacturers from exporting 'weapons.' That's why they partnered with Sauer long ago (mfg in Germany). Our stupid AWB is why they opened SigArms/SigUSA so they could make them here, the largest civvie gun market (hence, making them not "imports"). |
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Posted: 5/7/2024 12:58:59 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Apec: This guy sells reproduction furniture https://warsawwoodco.com/wieger-stg-940-reproduction-furniture-kit/ I knew about him, but he's selling the entire kit for $375. I would not want to spend that much to replace one item, if it broke. Another impossible thing to find are the flash hiders for those. I had to make my own. |
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Posted: 5/7/2024 1:11:32 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Janus: ? The AR-18/180 is one of the most influential rifles of the last 50-75 years. Most modern military rifles have an operating system based around it's design. You can buy a modern version of it from Brownells right now. This is the one non-AR non-bullpup I've been considering. |
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Posted: 5/7/2024 1:19:05 PM EDT
[Last Edit: LoadedDrum]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By TheOtherDave: I don’t think so. It is fundamentally the same rifle internally, the exterior had pic rails like every other rifle at the time. If they’d had released MLOC and Dickmod back them people would have seen the rifle as a joke. On top of that. Nothing was going to overcome the Mormon hate Alex Robinson got for supporting Romney. ARFCOM destroyed Robinson out of spite-he didn’t help himself and should have stayed away from him keyboard, but assholes here on this site are why that gun didn’t meet the commercial success it should have. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By TheOtherDave: Originally Posted By LoadedDrum: If the current Robinson XCR was released in 2006 instead of the one that was released, it would be way more popular. I don’t think so. It is fundamentally the same rifle internally, the exterior had pic rails like every other rifle at the time. If they’d had released MLOC and Dickmod back them people would have seen the rifle as a joke. On top of that. Nothing was going to overcome the Mormon hate Alex Robinson got for supporting Romney. ARFCOM destroyed Robinson out of spite-he didn’t help himself and should have stayed away from him keyboard, but assholes here on this site are why that gun didn’t meet the commercial success it should have. You are ignoring the improved trigger, FAST stock, 1/7 twist barrels, toolless gas system, caliber conversion kit availability, and variety of upper lengths. I have a first gen XCR that came with a mediocre trigger, side folding tube stock, gas system that needed a wrench, and a 1/9 twist barrel. The current offering is vastly superior. |
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Posted: 5/7/2024 1:23:17 PM EDT
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FN FS2000.
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MI, USA
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Posted: 5/7/2024 1:23:34 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By TheRealBluedog: All of those guns failed for a reason. And that reason is the AR 15. When you look at the combination of features, people want in a modern fighting rifle, nothing even comes close to combining all of those features as well as the AR 15. When you add in the accidental modularity stoner, probably wasn’t even thinking about when he designed the weapon, they’re simply no way, anything can compete with it. They used to call the Mini 14 the poor mans ZR 15. Now an inexpensive AR 15 is the poor man’s AR 15, a very expensive AR 15 is the rich man’s AR 15, and you’ve got plenty of middle tier stuff for everyone else. I’ve watched so many AR 15 killers come along, but the AR 15 outlived them all. It wasn’t that long ago ago that everyone wanted to stick a piston system on their AR 15. Whatever happened to those? Remember when people said the AK-47 is more reliable, but the AR 15 is more accurate? It turns out that the AR 15 is more accurate and more reliable, and more modular, and more economic, and less expensive, and easier to modify, and easier to work on. I bought into that about a decade ago. I had 3 Arsenal SLR-106FR's (I don't think they've been mentioned on the thread yet) thinking I had best of both worlds; the reliability of an AK and the abundance of 5.56 ammo. Sure I had AR's at the time, but the SLR's were exotic and way more reliable (lol). Finally admitted to myself after attending some classes that the AK was outclassed by the AR in almost every way, SLR's got sold and I've been reluctant to consider another 5.56 firearm since then. Although a Stoner 63 would be sweet. 
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Posted: 5/7/2024 1:46:50 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By TheOtherDave: I don’t think so. It is fundamentally the same rifle internally, the exterior had pic rails like every other rifle at the time. If they’d had released MLOC and Dickmod back them people would have seen the rifle as a joke. On top of that. Nothing was going to overcome the Mormon hate Alex Robinson got for supporting Romney. ARFCOM destroyed Robinson out of spite-he didn’t help himself and should have stayed away from him keyboard, but assholes here on this site are why that gun didn’t meet the commercial success it should have. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By TheOtherDave: Originally Posted By LoadedDrum: If the current Robinson XCR was released in 2006 instead of the one that was released, it would be way more popular. I don’t think so. It is fundamentally the same rifle internally, the exterior had pic rails like every other rifle at the time. If they’d had released MLOC and Dickmod back them people would have seen the rifle as a joke. On top of that. Nothing was going to overcome the Mormon hate Alex Robinson got for supporting Romney. ARFCOM destroyed Robinson out of spite-he didn’t help himself and should have stayed away from him keyboard, but assholes here on this site are why that gun didn’t meet the commercial success it should have. To be fair Alex Robinson also got a lot of flack continually promising updates in "2 weeks", but never delivering. 2 weeks is still a meme because of that. |
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Posted: 5/7/2024 4:29:24 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By TheRealBluedog: I was interested in the Beretta ARX 100, but accuracy was hit or miss. I wouldn’t mind 2 MOA, but I read too many reports from people who were getting six MOA and had to send it back to Barretta only to be told that it was in spec. IIRC early ones didn't have the rail secured very well. It was quickly remedied... but yeah, it's not a tack driver. I got mine in 2012, but haven't shot it a lot. Trigger is heavy, but there are kits out there to alleviate that. I'd say it's minute of fucktard pretty easily. I wouldn't use it in a precision match. |
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Posted: 5/7/2024 4:32:34 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 2manytoys: You need to have an adult read and explain the title of this thread to you. "In this thread let's talk about 5.56 rifles that should've been more popular" In your haste to get in a negative jab at the Mini14, you fail to realize that it is, and has always been, a very popular rifle. It takes a popular rifle to generate the ability to support a large after market of parts and accessory makers, which the Mini14 does. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 2manytoys: Originally Posted By VEPR39: No mini 14 ? If it had been more accurate . . . You need to have an adult read and explain the title of this thread to you. "In this thread let's talk about 5.56 rifles that should've been more popular" In your haste to get in a negative jab at the Mini14, you fail to realize that it is, and has always been, a very popular rifle. It takes a popular rifle to generate the ability to support a large after market of parts and accessory makers, which the Mini14 does. |
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Posted: 5/7/2024 4:38:03 PM EDT
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Posted: 5/7/2024 4:51:34 PM EDT
[#46]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By gearjammer351: I like the Sig rifles, and I agree. I believe the issue is the Swiss government having laws or regulations to prevent manufacturers from exporting 'weapons.' That's why they partnered with Sauer long ago (mfg in Germany). Our stupid AWB is why they opened SigArms/SigUSA so they could make them here, the largest civvie gun market (hence, making them not "imports"). Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By gearjammer351: Originally Posted By Kuraki: It always seemed to me that the Cold War era provided impetus for manufacturers to A) Improve on the AR/AK/FAL by combining desirable features and B) Reduce cost by design at volume production. The Sig 550 series is the latest and IMO the best attempt at that but could have been improved even further (less complicated and better trigger, needed to go on a diet and shave 1.5lb). So I'll got with that as #1. Should have been more popular worldwide imo. It would be trivial to create a 7.62 version. 20 years later and the SCAR request to basically produce an aluminum extruded and injection molded 55X. I like the Sig rifles, and I agree. I believe the issue is the Swiss government having laws or regulations to prevent manufacturers from exporting 'weapons.' That's why they partnered with Sauer long ago (mfg in Germany). Our stupid AWB is why they opened SigArms/SigUSA so they could make them here, the largest civvie gun market (hence, making them not "imports"). Yeah that could be. |
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Posted: 5/7/2024 8:44:57 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryThat's fascinating and I had no idea that such a weapon even existed. I like my TAVOR a lot, but I don't know that I'd go with one of these in it's place, although I'd like a heavier, more rigid barrel. |
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Posted: 5/7/2024 8:52:30 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ZA206: I got what I wanted…. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/114221/IMG_2547_jpeg-3207764.JPG This and Swiss SAN SIG55X guns. |
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Posted: 5/7/2024 8:57:45 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Beamy: Right out the gate I'm thinking of the following: Daewoo K2..... I miss mine and somebody here needs to clone them Bushmaster ACR/Magpul Masada......this idea had so much promise AR180......yet again another awesome idea that just didn't pan out greatly What other 5.56 rifles should've have done better here on the US market? I still have a K2 and an AR180. the only problem now is, dont break them! Love to shoot them though. Fred |
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Posted: 5/7/2024 8:57:53 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Frens: As a collector Pretty much most of the Cold War era rifles.. some even never saw a semiauto life… Robinson m96, vector cr21, SA80, Famas, AR70 series, etc Even a 5.56 FAL The 1989 Bush import ban ended those, if not then, their hope ended in 1994. By 2004 with the WoT in full swing the interest was in modern stuff. |
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