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Posted: 5/18/2024 2:12:25 PM EDT
I bought a bunch of re-loaded 45-70 rounds. The bullets are all around 512gr lead
I tore down 10 rounds and most were 38.8gr. Highest I found was 39.2gr . I am just trying to see if they will be safe to shoot. 
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Posted: 5/18/2024 2:13:50 PM EDT
[Last Edit: TOTHEMAX]
[#1]
Maybe H4895? This was out of a can of H4895 I had open.
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Posted: 5/18/2024 3:45:00 PM EDT
[#2]
I can't help with identifying the powder, but it sure does look like your 4895.
I don't think I'd have a warm fuzzy feeling about shooting someone else's reloads, especially if I didn't know for sure about the powder. Not that you asked for it, but my advice would be to pull it all. I'd dump the powder and reuse everything else. Good luck! |
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Posted: 5/18/2024 3:48:42 PM EDT
[Last Edit: mannyCA]
[#3]
i'd say Varget. especially since you said it came out of a 45-70.
that seems about right for that bullet weight. I wouldnt shoot someone elses reloads just because I'd be worried about having the correct powder charge, but that seems correct. |
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Posted: 5/18/2024 6:26:31 PM EDT
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Can you ask the person you bought them from or did you get this from an estate sale?
Is your plan to pull all rounds down and reload the cartridges or shoot them as they are? Personally I'd be more comfortable shooting them as they are and not trying to guess what powder was used and reuse it. It really depends who loaded them. Were there any notes that came along with the rounds? If no other information given, I'd pull them all and reload them with a known (to you) powder. My dad once reloaded some 30-30 rounds for a Marlin he recently bought and must have had an over charge and locked up the action. Sent it back to Marlin for repair. Never said what powder or charge he used, but handed me all his reloading gear after that. Needless to say I got rid of any 30-30 loads he gave me and I did all the reloading for the both of us from then on. |
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Posted: 5/18/2024 7:03:46 PM EDT
[#5]
I'd say it looks like good fertilizer powder.
Just my 2 cents |
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Posted: 5/18/2024 7:05:15 PM EDT
[Last Edit: drfroglegs]
[#6]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Grumple: I'd say it looks like good fertilizer powder. Just my 2 cents The only way you can know for sure is by running analysis on it and comparing with the smokeless powder database. https://www.ilrc.ucf.edu/powders/search.php |
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Posted: 5/18/2024 8:15:30 PM EDT
[Last Edit: TOTHEMAX]
[#7]
It could be varget. I guess I never realized how close both of the powders look.
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Posted: 5/18/2024 8:21:08 PM EDT
[#8]
Unfortunately, I don't have the info anymore. I got them in trade a year or so back from a local guy who was getting out of reloading 45-70. I have approx 150 rounds of loaded ammo.
If it were varget it would still be under the loads I see online. Most guys are using 45-50gr of varget with a 500gr projectile. |
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Posted: 5/18/2024 8:25:55 PM EDT
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As a general rule, you can't and shouldn't actually do that, since so many powders can look similar.
That said, I personally can be a bit crazy - and if it were me, I'd run that in .223 at a mild Varget load. Don't run it below minimum though - learned that one the hard way. But 5.56 is a highly HIGHLY forgiving round, compared to many, and the AR15 platform kabooms about as safe as any rifle ever. But sure, I'd run that book minimum for Varget with a strong-primer under 55 ball, and just run it as plinkmaster ammo. I'd pay a whole lot of attention to the first few shots. This isn't advise and if you blow up that's on you - but conversationally, that's what I'd do. 
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Posted: 5/18/2024 8:28:38 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Grumple: I'd say it looks like good fertilizer powder. Just my 2 cents This. Not remotely worth risking it’s use |
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IA, USA
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Posted: 5/18/2024 9:12:44 PM EDT
[#11]
its h4198
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Posted: 5/18/2024 9:21:19 PM EDT
[#12]
Safe to shoot is also very subjective in 45-70. Ruger #1 is very different than a rolling block.
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Posted: 5/18/2024 9:41:47 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By drfroglegs: The only way you can know for sure is by running analysis on it and comparing with the smokeless powder database. https://www.ilrc.ucf.edu/powders/search.php Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By drfroglegs: Originally Posted By Grumple: I'd say it looks like good fertilizer powder. Just my 2 cents The only way you can know for sure is by running analysis on it and comparing with the smokeless powder database. https://www.ilrc.ucf.edu/powders/search.php Ok, now I am nerding out. I just looked up H4198 H4895 and Varget. H4198 measurements are way off. Their listed length is longer than what I have and their listed diameter is smaller. H4895 listed measurements are closer but still off. Length is close but diameter is smaller. Varget listed measurements are dang near spot on for length, and diameter is just off by .02mm |
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Posted: 5/18/2024 9:42:23 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By exponentialpi: Safe to shoot is also very subjective in 45-70. Ruger #1 is very different than a rolling block. Fair, its a marlin 1895 |
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Posted: 5/18/2024 10:35:48 PM EDT
[#16]
Looking at my old Lyman book, the heavies listed have OAL that won't fit in a Marlin.
I fired up Gordon's and used a 45-500 RCBS bullet at Marlin OAL. 4198 variants are showing as heavily compressed loads in that software. |
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Posted: 5/18/2024 11:08:42 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By exponentialpi: Looking at my old Lyman book, the heavies listed have OAL that won't fit in a Marlin. I fired up Gordon's and used a 45-500 RCBS bullet at Marlin OAL. 4198 variants are showing as heavily compressed loads in that software. Ok. What is the oal for a marlin? There is a ton of room in the case. I think with the data I listed along with your info, ee can safely assume it's not 4198 . |
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Posted: 5/18/2024 11:25:02 PM EDT
[Last Edit: exponentialpi]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By TOTHEMAX: Ok. What is the oal for a marlin? There is a ton of room in the case. I think with the data I listed along with your info, ee can safely assume it's not 4198 . Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By TOTHEMAX: Originally Posted By exponentialpi: Looking at my old Lyman book, the heavies listed have OAL that won't fit in a Marlin. I fired up Gordon's and used a 45-500 RCBS bullet at Marlin OAL. 4198 variants are showing as heavily compressed loads in that software. Ok. What is the oal for a marlin? There is a ton of room in the case. I think with the data I listed along with your info, ee can safely assume it's not 4198 . OAL for a Marlin is max 2.55 inches. Anything longer won't cycle in the action if you need to eject a live round. The heavy bullet data in my Lyman manual is 2.8"+ OAL and for single actions. So the data won't be appropriate. |
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Posted: 5/18/2024 11:25:24 PM EDT
[Last Edit: exponentialpi]
[#19]
Double tap.
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IA, USA
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Posted: 5/19/2024 1:33:42 AM EDT
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you can not go off of pics of powder. I can see h4198 from 1.52mm to 2.12mm long. That pic in the FBI link is imr4198. It is that long. H4198 is shorter than that. H4198 is very close with a 500gr bullet charge in the op and is not a compressed load. I have used a lot of h4198 over the years and that is my take on it.
Gordons reloading tool is WAY off on straight walled case loads. I would never use anything it suggest. It is a common thing that straightwaller know about it. Too bad he is dead and can not fix it. |
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Posted: 5/19/2024 4:01:46 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By mannyCA: i'd say Varget. especially since you said it came out of a 45-70. that seems about right for that bullet weight. I wouldnt shoot someone elses reloads just because I'd be worried about having the correct powder charge, but that seems correct. I'm in agreement on Varget. |
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Posted: 5/19/2024 10:02:53 AM EDT
[Last Edit: mannyCA]
[#22]
Went and dug up some loads to verify, varget for comparison. this batch is from 2003.
 Attached File Attached FileThese were for the first gen Henry. Guns sights were so far off. And when it got hot after a few rounds the bullshit loading tube wouldn’t unlock. But that’s another story. this load was a thumper, think 10 gauge 3" recoil.  |
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Posted: 5/19/2024 4:55:42 PM EDT
[#23]
My favorite .45-70 powder is H4198 and it looks a lot like that.
But so do other Hodgdon powders
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SC, USA
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Posted: 5/19/2024 7:12:03 PM EDT
[#24]
My number 1 in reloading.
Never shoot someone else’s reloads. My number 2 in reloading. Reloads that I come across are pulled, bullets are sorted, cases resized (with primer punch pin removed) and the powder is tossed in the yard. |
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Posted: 5/19/2024 9:24:06 PM EDT
[#25]
It is literally impossible to determine what powder anyone has based simply by how it looks.
Making a mistake will have consequences. |
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