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Posted: 5/7/2024 4:05:02 PM EDT
[Last Edit: SkyFive]
A letter  allegedly signed off by 828 professors and staff (aka; old hippies, communist sympathizers, marxist) threaten to withhold final grades of all students if amnesty isn't granted to 'protestors' thus delaying or preventing graduation.

Dear Interim Chancellor Roberts and Provost Clemens,

We write to voice our concerns about the University's actions on April 30th.

The student encampment located on Polk Place was an example of the kind of peaceful free expression that our university claims to uphold. Free speech is often challenging; it can make people uncomfortable, and it can grow heated. But until that speech crosses the line into violence or obstruction, it must be protected, even at the cost of discomfort or patches of grass yellowed by tents. The administration's decision to call in police from across the state to storm our students' encampment at 5:30 in the morning on Tuesday, April 30, created a militarized and unsafe climate on the UNC campus. It subjected the very students it is charged with protecting to violence and trauma. Subsequent actions by the administration including but not limited to the sudden, unexplained closing of the Campus Y, a 160-year old student organization that opened its facilities to members of the encampment; the interim chancellor's public statement about the events of April 30, which averred that arrested students had violated university policy without providing any details of their supposed misconduct; and, as of May 3, the continued withholding of arrest records from public scrutiny have further undermined the public trust.

On May 3, three university vice-chancellors wrote to the campus community, detailing a long list of actions and conditions that the university cannot tolerate. All of these conditions and actions were the direct result of violence introduced to campus when university administrators first ordered police to interfere with students' legitimate political expression. The vice chancellors' communications misrepresented facts, unjustly blaming students for disruptions and violence that they themselves had caused. We reject their duplicitous communication to the campus community. We denounce the unjust treatment of our students and the administration's abdication of its responsibility to foster and protect freedom of speech on campus.

We call for accountability for the administrators whose decisions during the protest dishonored the university's noble traditions of freedom of speech, freedom of expression, and respecting students' rights to protest. We further remind the university administration of decisions made by university leaders during past tumultuous times, including the protests of 1969. According to The Carolina Story: A Virtual Museum of University History, "even during the most heated moments of national protest, classes at Chapel Hill continued, and police stayed off campus." The university must immediately dismiss all suspensions and other charges against students involved in the protest, return the confiscated belongings of our students, remove the fence around the flagpole in the quad, and re-open Campus Y in recognition of its central importance to our university community.

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Rep. Richard Hudson, R-NC
, said professors who withhold students' grades in a show of support for anti-Israel rioters should be "immediately" terminated. The comment came after professors at University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill reportedly organized a protest where they would withhold the final grades of all students unless the university reinstates students they claim were suspended during an anti-Israel demonstration last week.

"UNC professors should be protecting students who are targets of antisemitism and violence," Hudson tweeted on X. "They should not be protecting the bigots and antisemites. Fire any faculty or staff participating in withholding grades immediately."
The UNC-Chapel Hill sent a letter cautioning professors and faculty members against withholding students' final grades on Tuesday.

The academic anarchy comes after anti-Israel demonstrations sprang up on the campus last week. These agitators ripped down an American flag on the campus and replaced its patriotic red, white and blue with the Palestinian flag, flying the red, green and white high over the campus.
To restore order, university administrators took action and ordered police to clear the encampment. The students who participated in the unrest were forced to clear the area and some faced disciplinary action.
On Monday, several students got a message via the school portal that said: "In solidarity with these students, I [the unnamed author] (along with many other faculty, teaching assistants, fellows, and graders across campus) have decided to withhold my reporting of final grades to the Registrar's Office," the Carolina Journal reported.

"On May 13, if the administration has not reinstated the suspended students, you will see a NR (for Not Reported) on your transcript," the message board read. "An NR does not change your GPA positively or negatively, and can remain on your transcript until the end of the following semester. I will keep a personal record of your grades so that, once the administration meets our demands, the grades you earned will be recorded."

In a show of "solidarity" with the students, some professors at the university reportedly began organizing an effort to withhold students' final grades from transcripts.

On Tuesday, UNC-Chapel Hill Provost Chris Clemens and Graduate School Dean Beth Mayer-Davis sent a letter to deans and department chairs addressing the apparent protest.

"We are hearing concerns from students whose instructors have informed them they will withhold grades as part of a protest. These students depend on the timely submission of their grades for graduation, jobs, and athletic eligibility, and it is part of the required duties of all faculty and graduate TAs to submit grades by the registrar deadlines," Clemens and Mayer-Davis said in the joint statement.
The university said the protesting professors could face "sanctions."

"Dear Deans and Department Chairs, we are asking you to please work with your faculty and graduate students to ensure that we follow exemplary practice in our work as educators," Clemens and Mayer-Davis wrote. "We strongly support the right of faculty and graduate students to express their opinions freely but there are better ways to do this than hurting our students and abrogating our contract with the people of North Carolina who support our university."
They continued: "We are counting on your leadership in this matter."  
"The provost's office will support sanctions for any instructor who is found to have improperly withheld grades, but it is our hope we can resolve this matter amicably and without harm to students," the letter added.
The letter concluded by calling for "excellence in the classroom" and said instructors would "damage the trust we hold with our students by withholding grades."

Police ultimately cleared the encampment on April 30.

UNC-Chapel Hill is located just outside the 9th Congressional District which Hudson represents in the U.S. House of Representatives.





Link Posted: 5/7/2024 4:07:24 PM EDT
[#1]
Round them up and send them to the Gaza Strip
Link Posted: 5/7/2024 4:08:55 PM EDT
[#2]
When my 4 year old throws a tantrum I take away her favorite toys. The school should take away their paychecks.
Link Posted: 5/7/2024 4:09:25 PM EDT
[Last Edit: KILLERB6] [#3]
Link Posted: 5/7/2024 4:09:37 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By H1Mech:
When my 4 year old throws a tantrum I take away her favorite toys. The school should take away their paychecks.
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Link Posted: 5/7/2024 4:10:47 PM EDT
[#5]
828 ex employees would be getting escorted out of the school by the end of the day
Link Posted: 5/7/2024 4:10:52 PM EDT
[#6]
This is why tenure is a sacred institution needed in academia
Link Posted: 5/7/2024 4:11:04 PM EDT
[#7]
LOL....
Bold Strategy Cotton.

I am really curious to see how this plays out.   Someone who wasn't involved in the stupidity having their final grades held seems like a law suit waiting to happen.
Link Posted: 5/7/2024 4:11:45 PM EDT
[#8]
UNC will cave.

It’s a liberal craphole filled with marxists from the top to bottom.
Link Posted: 5/7/2024 4:11:53 PM EDT
[#9]
Its a state school so I wonder if the tenured terrorists could be charged under statutes regarding government records.
Link Posted: 5/7/2024 4:12:16 PM EDT
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Immediately, for even raising this as a possibility.

If I was a UNC student who’s grades were withheld out of some “protest solidarity “ I’d be investigating my legal options against the professors and the university as a whole.
Link Posted: 5/7/2024 4:13:03 PM EDT
[#11]
It'll take just one Dad and a baseball bat to change their mind. It really needs to happen to these commie shitheads. In mincraft of course.
Link Posted: 5/7/2024 4:13:18 PM EDT
[#12]
In reality how many students are being sanctioned by UNC CH?

I'd bet the vast majority of arrestees were not enrolled there.  Charges are up to the local prosecutors right?
Link Posted: 5/7/2024 4:13:44 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By panthermark:
LOL....
Bold Strategy Cotton.

I am really curious to see how this plays out.   Someone who wasn't involved in the stupidity having their final grades held seems like a law suit waiting to happen.
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Seems like a free pass to clean house.  If there was any real interest in taking out the trash.
Link Posted: 5/7/2024 4:14:00 PM EDT
[#14]
They cant fire them so they will do whatever the fuck they want
Link Posted: 5/7/2024 4:14:28 PM EDT
[#15]
Withhold the grades, then sue the school into bankruptcy.
Link Posted: 5/7/2024 4:15:04 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By AXE0FWAR:
UNC will cave.

It’s a liberal craphole filled with marxists from the top to bottom.
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My thoughts as well
Link Posted: 5/7/2024 4:16:09 PM EDT
[Last Edit: akrado] [#17]
Of course they will.  The school wants to do exactly that.  

But UNC doesn't control jewish owned employers.  Good luck to yall kids getting those 3 jobs at HIMS.
Link Posted: 5/7/2024 4:16:28 PM EDT
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America first!

Let the 7th century savages and the Christ killers sort it out. I don't give a fuck about either group.

And I love the irony of leftist Jews getting their own medicine.
Link Posted: 5/7/2024 4:19:02 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By wakeboarder:
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It's a lot like the unions.  It protects shit birds from any accountability.
Link Posted: 5/7/2024 4:20:34 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By AXE0FWAR:
UNC will cave.

It’s a liberal craphole filled with marxists from the top to bottom.
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I’m not sure about that because UNC is a public school and they are threatening to sabotage the education of students. They might’ve just pushed too far. That’s a lawsuit waiting to happen.
Link Posted: 5/7/2024 4:22:43 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By magnum_99:
America first!

Let the 7th century savages and the Christ killers sort it out. I don't give a fuck about either group.

And I love the irony of leftist Jews getting their own medicine.
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It is somewhat entertaining to watch far left groups eat each other. The political left have backed themselves into a corner.
Link Posted: 5/7/2024 4:23:19 PM EDT
[#22]
Class action lawsuit against those professors and staff by the students fucked over.
Link Posted: 5/7/2024 4:23:40 PM EDT
[#23]
Is refusal to perform a core job duty enough of a reason to fire someone who has tenure?

If so, Chapel Hill needs to have about eight hundred job listings up, 48 hours after the "faculty turns in grades" deadlines. I hope the campus police has the overtime budget for the civil standbys from escorting former employees out of the HR offices.
Link Posted: 5/7/2024 4:24:26 PM EDT
[#24]
So, where is the list of the 828 signatories?

Link Posted: 5/7/2024 4:27:03 PM EDT
[#25]
Release the frat boys.
Link Posted: 5/7/2024 4:30:15 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By panthermark:
LOL....
Bold Strategy Cotton.

I am really curious to see how this plays out.   Someone who wasn't involved in the stupidity having their final grades held seems like a law suit waiting to happen.
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Yep.  If that were my kid and I shelled out big bucks I'd be pissed and they'd be hearing from my lawyer pronto.
Link Posted: 5/7/2024 4:31:03 PM EDT
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You withhold my grades so I can't graduate? Then I withhold my tuition...simple as that. And if you come after me for your money, then I come after you for something far more important.

Fucking commies. The only good commie is a dead commie.
Link Posted: 5/7/2024 4:32:49 PM EDT
[Last Edit: SkyFive] [#28]
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Originally Posted By LibertyShip:
So, where is the list of the 828 signatories?

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Originally Posted By LibertyShip:
So, where is the list of the 828 signatories?

It was at the 'letter' hot link 15 minutes ago. Now it's gone.
The form Letter by Faculty and Staff for Students' Right to Free Speech and Protest is no longer accepting responses.


Link Posted: 5/7/2024 4:33:09 PM EDT
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Delaying grades could be easily shown to cause multiple types of damages.

Willfully refusing to do your job in the name of a political protest and in a way that hurts others is not going to be seen as protected speech by the courts, and juries are not going to be kinds to the professors.
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Originally Posted By SkyFive:
It was at the 'letter' hot link 15 minutes ago. Now it's gone.
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Oh somebody downloaded/screenshot that and it'll be back.
Link Posted: 5/7/2024 4:35:43 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By TheAvatar9265ft:

Oh somebody downloaded/screenshot that and it'll be back.
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Originally Posted By TheAvatar9265ft:
Originally Posted By SkyFive:
It was at the 'letter' hot link 15 minutes ago. Now it's gone.

Oh somebody downloaded/screenshot that and it'll be back.
I quoted the letter header in my OP, there were 828 names afterwards that I didn't copy.
Link Posted: 5/7/2024 4:37:35 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Kubota3430:
Withhold the grades, then sue the school into bankruptcy.
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Each student should file a small claims court for the max against the professors.  Surely there is a friendly small claims judge in the area.
Link Posted: 5/7/2024 4:38:34 PM EDT
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...off to 4chan.......
Link Posted: 5/7/2024 4:40:13 PM EDT
[#34]
Donald Trump "You're Fired" Compilation
Link Posted: 5/7/2024 4:41:06 PM EDT
[#35]
Call their bluff.
Link Posted: 5/7/2024 4:41:17 PM EDT
[#36]
Dirty hippies, Communist reds, and old Marxist throwbacks make demands.

Color me shocked.
Link Posted: 5/7/2024 4:41:19 PM EDT
[#37]
Everybody gets As.

Next.
Link Posted: 5/7/2024 4:42:24 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By The_Syndicate:



Each student should file a small claims court for the max against the professors.  Surely there is a friendly small claims judge in the area.
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Small claims hell, someone pays $250k (just an estimate, feel free to correct this) for a 4 year education and then because some schmucks want to make a "statement" holding up my graduation and my degree that could get me a job (well at least for me I am getting a degree in something worth it, not underwater basket weaving).

.....I am suing for my entire education paid for, fuck em.
Link Posted: 5/7/2024 4:42:58 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Ibn_Huq] [#39]
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Originally Posted By H1Mech:
When my 4 year old throws a tantrum I take away her favorite toys. The school should take away their paychecks.
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But what about the value of real estate on Franklin St.

Those Bobos and true believers aren’t being paid with meager wheat rations
Link Posted: 5/7/2024 4:43:11 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By panthermark:
LOL....
Bold Strategy Cotton.

I am really curious to see how this plays out.   Someone who wasn't involved in the stupidity having their final grades held seems like a law suit waiting to happen.
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Except it will be UNC that will be sued... not the individual staff involved.
Link Posted: 5/7/2024 4:44:13 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By H1Mech:
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I like the way you think.
Link Posted: 5/7/2024 4:44:57 PM EDT
[#42]
Challenge accepted

Class of 91
Link Posted: 5/7/2024 4:45:15 PM EDT
[#43]
F'm.
Link Posted: 5/7/2024 4:46:31 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By AXE0FWAR:
UNC will cave.

It’s a liberal craphole filled with marxists from the top to bottom.
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Link Posted: 5/7/2024 4:47:20 PM EDT
[#45]
Fire every last one of them.
Link Posted: 5/7/2024 4:47:43 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By centrarchidae:
Is refusal to perform a core job duty enough of a reason to fire someone who has tenure?
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There's probably something about causing embarrassment to the school too.
Link Posted: 5/7/2024 4:48:42 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Kubota3430:
Withhold the grades, then sue the school into bankruptcy.
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That's where I am at.  Shit.  Sue the professors personally.
Link Posted: 5/7/2024 4:49:45 PM EDT
[#48]
I wish they had the balls to fire them…but they don’t.
Link Posted: 5/7/2024 4:50:10 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By H1Mech:
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Link Posted: 5/7/2024 4:50:59 PM EDT
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