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The fastest general purpose PCC optic I’ve found is the 5moa SRO.
The fastest overall PCC optic has been the 16moa C-More, but that’s a specialized Steel Challenge optic and sucks in so many other ways. Reticle absolutely matters. |
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Point shooting will give you monkeypox. - John_Wayne777
The Emu War could have been won if the Australians used red dots on their handguns. |
[#2]
Thanks. Looking around for replacements, looks like that was where I was gravitating. Not seeing a green reticle though, which I prefer.
Mounts for this? |
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Tom Sawyer.
"If The Rules brought us to this, what use are they?" |
[#3]
Originally Posted By tortilla-flats: Thanks. Looking around for replacements, looks like that was where I was gravitating. Not seeing a green reticle though, which I prefer. Mounts for this? View Quote It doesn’t really matter if you prefer green over red. On the clock they will run the same. I use a 1.57” Scalarworks. |
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Point shooting will give you monkeypox. - John_Wayne777
The Emu War could have been won if the Australians used red dots on their handguns. |
[#4]
Great write up. Thanks for doing all this.
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Originally Posted By 45-Seventy: It doesn't really matter if you prefer green over red. On the clock they will run the same. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By 45-Seventy: It doesn't really matter if you prefer green over red. On the clock they will run the same. Making me re-think how I'm using my optics across the board. Originally Posted By RRAR15: Great write up. Thanks for doing all this. |
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Tom Sawyer.
"If The Rules brought us to this, what use are they?" |
[#6]
Love to see that data driven approach.
Although I think the more movement that's involved in a drill, the more difficult it's going to be to conclude that sight performance is the distinguishing factor. |
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Without question, there were several variables that "influenced" my performance as I ran through all the tests. Really wish there was a reliable way to control for those things. I guess that's why YouTubers seem to focus on purely objective measurements when comparing, rather than going down a rabbit hole of seemingly subjective comparison criteria.
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Tom Sawyer.
"If The Rules brought us to this, what use are they?" |
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Originally Posted By tortilla-flats: Without question, there were several variables that "influenced" my performance as I ran through all the tests. Really wish there was a reliable way to control for those things. I guess that's why YouTubers seem to focus on purely objective measurements when comparing, rather than going down a rabbit hole of seemingly subjective comparison criteria. View Quote You could trim the movement out of it and choose the stand and shoot without reload drills like Accelerator. Also, I can't tell but I think you have a wide transition in your drill and that would work too. |
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[#9]
It was really the dot reticle that made the most difference versus any particular optic! View Quote Been preaching this for years here. Are you listening, PA |
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[#10]
That is definitely helpful, thanks.
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Tom Sawyer.
"If The Rules brought us to this, what use are they?" |
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Originally Posted By tortilla-flats: That is definitely helpful, thanks. View Quote Thank you for the effort and report. In your chart, what is "Point Down" and what is its significance to the final ratings? It looks like the Point Down is added to the Final Split for each string and then this Total is averaged for each optic to get Total Average. I understand the RAW Average but trying to understand the significance of Total Average. Sorry if this a dumb question. I have never shot this drill so it is hard for me to wrap my head around it. |
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Repetition matters a lot. When I was first issued an ACOG/RCO, I wasn’t a fan when doing table 3 and 4 drills using an RCO. After training and doing the drills on a consistent basis, I got a lot better with the RCO at close distances. The same goes for any optic and drills associated. You have to do the same drills several times with the same setup to increase speed and lethality.
You will have a better control group to compare to at that point. To this day, I still do not like chevron reticles. At speed, picking up the very tip of a chevron is not as practice as a dot of whatever MOA size. To me, 100 yards and in, Aimpoint T2 will always be king. |
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Originally Posted By tortilla-flats: I was shooting IDPA targets. There are three scoring zones (four actually). 0, -1 & -3. (a complete miss is -5). The points equate to seconds and get added to the score. So a total of two -1 zone hits across 4 targets gets 2 seconds added to the total time. So columns D, E & F represent the raw time and columns H & I represent the times adjusted for the hit factor. You can be fast but not accurate and this scoring system accounts for that. It's actually a good question. https://blogcdn.targetbarn.com/broad-side/media/idpascoring.jpg View Quote Thank you! Now it all makes sense to me. I really appreciate your effort in making this evaluation. |
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[#15]
This may not belong here whit the other GLx1 thread, but what do you think of the GLx1 overall.
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I think quality-wise, it's as good as anything in their microprism line. I've owned the 1x, 2x, 3x & 5x models.
Comparing the glass (I'm no expert), it was better than the SLx 1x and possibly a tick better than the GLx 2x. The 2x is an older optic, so I don't know what role (if any) age plays in to this. Despite the large difference in the 1x scores between the SLx & GLx, I would say they are both comparable. As 45-Seventy pointed out, once you are on the clock, these minor differences disappear. |
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Tom Sawyer.
"If The Rules brought us to this, what use are they?" |
[#17]
Thanks, I have the SLx1 and the GLx2 as well. You think the GLx1 be worth the 300+ to change from the others and or may have to wait for some kind of sale.
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Originally Posted By JimmyAR: Thanks, I have the SLx1 and the GLx2 as well. You think the GLx1 be worth the 300+ to change from the others and or may have to wait for some kind of sale. View Quote Personally, size and weight are going to have me heavily prefer the SLx over the GLx. Without getting too deep in the minutiae, there really isn't much difference between the two, including price/availability, if your decision is a 1x microprism. Full disclosure, I'm getting rid of all my PA microprisms and Holosun circle-dots for (larger) plain dots. Except... I'm keeping a GLx 2x 300BO BDC simply because they're no longer available and I think it's a good fit for my 300 HAM'R. And a GLx 2x 5.56 BDC on my 6933 (which isn't a primary SD/HD weapon). |
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Tom Sawyer.
"If The Rules brought us to this, what use are they?" |
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