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Posted: 6/16/2024 10:04:24 AM EDT
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This is gonna be about the various FP tip sizes, and styles and bolt FP holes I have found.
IMHO... All manufacturers should post FP tip sizes and bolt FP hole diameters... Yeah I know.. Good Luck. Much like everything else in the Non- Mil-spec world of Large Frame AR's ( LFAR ) ... firing pins and bolt face FP holes can vary by quite a bit. I am posting so someone can hopefully avoid using / purchasing a incorrect FP size. This is not a be all list , but is some of the brands I have bought and measured.... Please NOTE, the FP style also varies... IE , Tapered v. standard. Tapered on the left.. standard on the right.. the middle is in the pic because of the less than squared of edges at the rings. I will say , and to cut to the chase... try to buy a brand bolt that comes with a firing pin. Using a wrong size FP tip size , in a poorly matched bolt FP hole diameter will cause excessive primer cratering and primer flow. Measurements were done with a Pin gauge set and caliber. For the "most" part, "standard" 308 BCG's and bolts ( Non HP ) come with a approximate FP tip size of .076-.079 and bolt FP hole of .080-.083 My List of measured "308" FP tips and Bolt Hole sizes... PSA / Toolcraft 308 BCG... FP tip size.. .077" , bolt FP hole... .081 10ea PSA FP measured.. varied between .076" ( 2ea ) .077" ( 7ea )and .079" ( 1ea ) Standard style. ( Non Tapered ) Please NOTE.. the PSA dual ejector 6.5CM BCG uses a smaller HP FP tip size . More later Links provided to be specific. https://palmettostatearmory.com/psa-pa10-308-nitride-bolt-carrier-group-516446490.html https://palmettostatearmory.com/psa-pa10-308-nickel-boron-bolt-carrier-group.html https://palmettostatearmory.com/308-firing-pin.html Lantac 308 FP , Nib 308 Bolt, and Nitrated 308 bolt, .... .076" FP tip size ( 4ea ) .081" Bolt FP hole on both... these are sold as "spare parts". Standard style. ( Non Tapered ) PLEASE note... the Lantac ENHANCED BCG uses a different FP tip size and Bolt face FP hole !! ( More later ) https://www.lantac-usa.com/product-page/lantac-308-7-62-bolt-choose-finish-nib-qpq https://www.lantac-usa.com/product-page/lantac-308-7-62-firing-pinFP RTB Blem 308 BCG ( Toolcraft ? ) ... .076" FP tip size,... .080" bolt face FP hole. Non tapered FP. Link no longer available Others measured info... Fulton Armory actually shows a 308 Bolt for DPMS pattern.. for use with a .078" FP https://www.fulton-armory.com/bolttitanstripped.aspx https://www.fulton-armory.com/bolttitanstripped-2.aspx https://www.fulton-armory.com/firingpinchrometitan.aspx msgriff... "The original DPMS LR-308 bolts were a 0.080" bolt face firing pin orifice with a 0.076" firing pin tip diameter." Non tapered. Top O' Texas tapered v. standard profile FP photo.. Some of the tip sizes vary on the Tapered FP and Standard profile. |
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A odd ball in the middle... JP Enterprises "Enhanced" 308 bolt and FP .... NOT The HP JP setup.
IMHO, use of the JP enhanced FP in a "DPMS" typical bolt ... will induce primer flow / cratering. Again.. buy and use your FP and Bolt from the same manufacturer.. and you will be just fine. While JP is a "standard" default for HP Bolts and FP's... the also sell a "standard" "Enhanced" 308 bolt and FP. JP standard Enhanced FP ( 3ea ) .0735" ... both the Titanium and standard I didn't order the Bolt for these... but given JP's OCD, Lol... I would imagine a NON HP Bolt face hole of around .077" ish. https://jprifles.com/buy.php?item=JPEB-308 https://jprifles.com/buy.php?item=JPFP-308 https://jprifles.com/buy.php?item=JPFP-308TI |
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Small Diameter / HP setups... Both Tapered and Standard profile FP.
PSA / Toolcraft 6.5CM Dual ejector BCG... FWIW, my first one of these comes from May 2018. And the latest from a month ago. Tapered SD Tip FP... .068 and .069" , Bolt face FP hole... .071" https://palmettostatearmory.com/psa-nitride-6-5-creedmoore-bcg-with-double-ejector.html PSA Single ejector 6.5CM .... Tapered FP, ... SD Tip size... .067" ... bolt face hole... .070" Bought years ago .. so no link. CMC / Santan complete 308 BCG ( with 3 exhaust ports on the carrier , "Suppressor Optimized" , single ejector ) Tapered FP SD Tip... .067".... bolt face FP hole... .070" https://cmctriggers.com/product/cmc-ar15-bolt-carrier-group-suppressor-optimized-milspec-black-nitride-308/ Lantac "Enhanced complete 308 BCG".. single ejector, "forward facing gas ports" w/ Small Diameter FP Tip size and Bolt face hole. NOTE... the The Lantac sold Bolt and FP I mentioned in the first post... DO NOT interchange parts, with this Bolt and FP tip size .... one or the other Bolts and FP's most be used with the other. You can use the the other mentioned individual Lantac Bolt Spare parts, and FP , with the carrier. But the FP tip sizes matter. As in ... the Larger tip sized FP won't work with the "Enhanced" bolt face small diameter hole. Tapered SD FP tip size... ( 2x ) .067.... Bolt face FP hole... .070" https://www.lantac-usa.com/product-page/enhanced-bcg-full-auto-style-223-5-56-nitrided Rubber City Armory... .066" tip size with a regular shank. ( Non Tapered ) https://rubbercityarmory.com/product/firing-pin-for-308-hp/ "Engineered specifically for the High Pressure 308 bolt face." https://rubbercityarmory.com/product/308-win-multi-hp-calibers-bolt-firing-pin/ 2ea spare tapered SD FP tip sizes... I have little idea where I bought these years ago... .068" and .069" tip size. Recently bought Headspaced to barrel bolt and FP to a Craddock Precision RTR 308 Barrel... Tapered SD FP tip size... .067" , Bolt face FP hole size... .071" . Other folks info... along with interesting comments. "Cascade Hemi" probably Toolcraft.. Tapered SD FP tip... .0675", Bolt face tip hole.. .069" Also from Cascade Hemi... Here is the No Name Low Mass bolt/BCG in the picture above: https://www.righttobear.com/lightweight-ar10-dpms-pattern-bcg-308-bolt-carrier-group-black-nitride/ "NtxGlock" "Noveske sent me a headspaced hp bolt but no firing pin"... "Noveske told me they do not sell individual pins and they sourced that bolt from Rubber City Armory.. I have sent Rubber City Armory a email. No reply yet. I did get another dual ejector bolt today w/pin from them (RCA). Update: Rubber City Armory called me this afternoon. The tech told me that they do NOT sell AR10 bolts to Noveske, only 5.56 bolts. So, I will get back with Noveske. Jeez." Top O' Texas.... "Also, the design keeps you from using a tapered pin in a non-hp bolt and vice versa. I can't say that about all hp bolts/fp's, only the few I have." I haven't checked this out, yet.... but... FWIW.... I have yet to see the Tapered SD FP tip size for sale by itself. HOWEVER.. I do have 2 spares, Lol I have some of the Toolcraft AR10 Small Diameter Firing Pin, on back order. |
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After receiving the Toolcraft SD FP tip size... I will update the thread.
And as mentioned... hopefully this can help others that want spare parts. I have also e-mailed Craddock Precision, asking where they source their supplied headspaced bolt and Tapered FP. For anyone with more measurements... please add your info !! Thanks ahead of time |
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Azimuth / Aero Precision Nitrided 308 / 7.62 BCG Single Ejector
To Aero's credit they at least publish a comment concerning the size of the firing pin hole. "firing pin hole diameter is reduced to .070" TAPERED SD FP tip size... .068" .... Bolt face hole... .070" https://www.aeroprecisionusa.com/308-bcg-black-nitride Tell tale, rounded gas key ends of the Azimuth 308 BCG.. Slab Side of the Azimuth / Aero nitride 308 BCG... |
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*Hold on to your AR-15s. Their magic must be very powerful, or they wouldn’t want them.*
JAFOM.... Just another fat old man. ________________________________ TOGC,IADC |
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And I just realized, I never posted the Rubber City Armory ".308 Win+ Multi HP Bolt and firing pin info.
Proprietary SD Non-Tapered FP... .066" , Bolt face hole... .071" https://rubbercityarmory.com/product/308-win-multi-hp-calibers-bolt-firing-pin/ |
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*Hold on to your AR-15s. Their magic must be very powerful, or they wouldn’t want them.*
JAFOM.... Just another fat old man. ________________________________ TOGC,IADC |
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Thanks OP! I appreciate you compiling all this info.
I’m on my phone reading this, so photos are a bit small. Will revisit on the desktop. |
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ruger SFAR?
Same for both calibers? |
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*Hold on to your AR-15s. Their magic must be very powerful, or they wouldn’t want them.*
JAFOM.... Just another fat old man. ________________________________ TOGC,IADC |
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Much appreciated, especially the RCA parts dimensions.
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Recently bought Headspaced to barrel, bolt and FP to a Craddock Precision RTR 308 Barrel...
Tapered SD FP tip size... .067" , Bolt face FP hole size... .071" Craddock Precision says... ( via e-mail ) "We get all of our Bolts/BCGS/Firing Pins from Azimuth" Now... since I have seen the Tapered SD FP in many other BCG's, I really don't know if Azimuth makes them. |
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*Hold on to your AR-15s. Their magic must be very powerful, or they wouldn’t want them.*
JAFOM.... Just another fat old man. ________________________________ TOGC,IADC |
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I also contacted Aero, asking if they sell the Tapered SD FP as a replacement part.
And while Aero CS was prompt and very helpful... they do not sell it separately. For that matter... ( and I am sorry to say this ) "one of the techs" recommended buying a replacement from some of the above listed places. NONE of which would have been correct sized or style ( tapered ) . As in to big ( stuck ) and way to small. ( bad primer cratering, if not pierced primers ) It is sad the e-mail contact, while doing his best to help, got piss poor info from "one of the techs"... someone that should know better. |
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*Hold on to your AR-15s. Their magic must be very powerful, or they wouldn’t want them.*
JAFOM.... Just another fat old man. ________________________________ TOGC,IADC |
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CMMG Mk3 6.5 / 308 HP BCG..
https://cmmg.com/bolt-carrier-group-mk3-6-5-creedmoor Bolt face hole ... .0635" , SD Non Tapered FP, .059" I also have some spare FP, and rehab kits on the way CMMG spare FP's arrived... . 075", both the individual and the Bolt replacement parts kit. These are not for above mentioned 6.5CM HP BCG Note... the webpage says ".080" for these specific parts. ( I could not find the HP SD FP , sold on CMMG's webpage. ) https://cmmg.com/firing-pin-mk3 https://cmmg.com/parts-kit-mk3-bolt-rehab |
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*Hold on to your AR-15s. Their magic must be very powerful, or they wouldn’t want them.*
JAFOM.... Just another fat old man. ________________________________ TOGC,IADC |
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Craddock Precision... has come through with replacement Tapered SD FP's.
These should fit / be suitable replacements for ... ( links above in the tapered SD FP section ) Of course, the Craddock Precision BCG and bolt PSA/ Toolcraft dual ejector SD BCG's ... and older single ejector SD BCG CMC 308 BCG Lantac ENHANCED 308 BCG ,... not the "Mil-spec" 308 bolt. Aero Precision , current phosphated and Nitrided 308 BCG IMHO, Joshua at Craddock Precision went way, way above any other company. He will arrange, my buying some from Craddock Precision, ( he also said others can do so as well. ) I will order enough spare of the SD Tapered FP's for others if they need them. Aero said no, Never heard back from CMC , Toolcraft never responded... other places have a indefinite back order and they don't seem to know if the FP is tapered or not. And webpage photos are typically a crap shoot. I REALLY wish the various webpages would sell proper replacements for their own products. ( Lantac, CMC, AERO, Toolcraft / PSA ) and ... at the very least, show the measured FP tip sizes used and style. ( Tapered v. Traditional ) I will post the Craddock Precision, SD tip sizes and pics after I get them... and if someone needs one...IM me. So... again a huge Thank You to Joshua Bales at Craddock Precision !! "If you have people who want to buy more you can send them my way, I don't mind answering emails!" .... [email protected] Craddock Precision now shows the Tapered SD Tipped FP , they use, on their Webpage. https://craddockprecision.com/ar10-lr308-hp-308-firing-pin/ |
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*Hold on to your AR-15s. Their magic must be very powerful, or they wouldn’t want them.*
JAFOM.... Just another fat old man. ________________________________ TOGC,IADC |
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KAK / Azimuth Technology, Double Ejectors... NON Tapered FP , typical Non-SD FP Tip size.
Good fit though ! .... Bolt orifice hole.... .079" , ... FP tip .077 Replacement FP's sold at KAK... 2ea @ .076", 2ea @ .077" https://kakindustry.com/lr-308-double-ejector-bolt-carrier-group https://kakindustry.com/lr-308-bolt-carrier-group-firing-pin Random internet photo showing the Double Ejector's... |
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*Hold on to your AR-15s. Their magic must be very powerful, or they wouldn’t want them.*
JAFOM.... Just another fat old man. ________________________________ TOGC,IADC |
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The Craddock Precision / Azimuth Tapered FP's arrived.... 11 of the 12 are .0675... 1 was .068
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*Hold on to your AR-15s. Their magic must be very powerful, or they wouldn’t want them.*
JAFOM.... Just another fat old man. ________________________________ TOGC,IADC |
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Originally Posted By lazyengineer: https://i.postimg.cc/bJ9BXv1D/20240803-092713.jpg SFAR appears to be 0.06. It's tapered, so tough to say for sure. View Quote Thank You ! |
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*Hold on to your AR-15s. Their magic must be very powerful, or they wouldn’t want them.*
JAFOM.... Just another fat old man. ________________________________ TOGC,IADC |
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The KAK LR_308 / Magnum HP FP's came back in stock.
They are indeed, Tapered with a SD Tip.... 2ea .068",.. 1ea .069" ( so the same as the PSA Toolcraft 6.5CM Dual ejector BCG ) https://kakindustry.com/magnum-high-pressure-bcg-firing-pin PLEASE Note the picture in the link above... does not show the proper TAPERED ones I received. I am going to ask KAK to show the correct Tapered FP in their Link. Also my back ordered Wilson Combat S-7 Steel FP's arrived.... NON-Tapered.. 1ea .075"... 1ea .0745" https://wilsoncombat.com/firing-pin-ar-10-mil-spec-bullet-proof-s-7-tool-steel-hard-chrome.html |
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*Hold on to your AR-15s. Their magic must be very powerful, or they wouldn’t want them.*
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